[VtLe67WR]

Salaams

I was wondering if someone could explain who the various groups are in these two countries, how much support they have, and what their ideology is e.g. Ikhwani, secular etc

Who are the Ikhwani political groups in these countries and how do they fair in elections?

What do the deobandi ulama say about these groups and do they support any?

What is your position on maulana mawduudi and also how strong are jamaaat islami andare they Ikhwani?

I'll look forward to some interesting informAtive replies inshallah

[Jannet.K]

Bangladesh have a very few good ulema.
There are many parties 1. Awami league (secularist) 2. BNP (secularist) 3. Jamati Islami (marxist interpreation of Islam)
Secondly the religious party such JI has no credibility and have no problem being violent.
I hate them the most and more so then others as they use drag religion through mud. In UK the likes LMC are JI affilate (IFE) and nothing more then street thugs with a banner of religion. You will find all sorts in their organisation from Quranist to Lamadhabi etc (in bangladesh).
Religious people are lumped with them mistakingly even though they don't share any of their view.
Bangladesh is generally a secular country but god fearing.
Just like pakistanis the most unsophisticated people migrated to the west.
the deo affiate senior scholar adopt a pragmatic stance but generally shy away from politics.
Unlike the past, these days generally people with vested interested gets into politics hence corruption is rife. You have to have a skin of rhino to be a politician.

I think to compare them with Ikhwan is stretching it a bit. Ikhwan have public support.
The JI are not trusted and limited or no support.
As for Mr. Mawdudi, was not a qualified scholar but have produced some good work in his early days and had support from many of the deo scholars, however they removed their support correctly but as a rule, most of his work at later part of his life should be binned.

Assalamu alaykum.

Why is JI rejected in Indian sub-continent.

They place themselves above others (the general masses). They hate the general masses. So, (for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction), the masses reject them and hate them. In politics, healthy relations should exist.

There are a few among us who think they ONLY have the capability to rule or lead (they placed themselves, no one offered them that position), it is their illusion. General public is clever in selecting or electing who should lead them.

They hate and slander the ulema (my every day personal experience). But Alhamdulillah there are good relations between muslims and the ulema. (Dost ka dushman dost naheen hota).

My relative was saying "We read quran, you read hadeeth, quran is above hadeeth, so we are better"

[VtLe67WR]

So what do you guys propose as an alternative political solution for Pakistan and Bangladesh?

Or do u believe they are fine how they are?

[Jannet.K]

So what do you guys propose as an alternative political solution for Pakistan and Bangladesh?

Or do u believe they are fine how they are?

Assalamu alaykum


JI is not an political alternative, that is the message.

[VtLe67WR]

In country like Bangladesh, religious political party has no place. What is needed is for the politician and mass sympathetic to religious value to be in close contact with ulema (whose main concern is spiritual betterment).
The likes of JI has created much of the problem for the religious minded people in Bangladesh.
As for pakistan, I think the likes of Imran Khan are better candidate.
True scholars do not chase politician but a sincere politician seeks true scholar. Both should be separate. Untill and unless this is achieved in most parts of the muslim world, the pathetic norm of politics will continue.

JI will drive people to the door of Kuffar.
Regards

Bro isn't ji a linked with ikhwan?

Aren't you basically suggesting we sit back and wait for politicians to seek advice from ulama?

I'll be honest akh I don't find that a well thought out plan. America is hoping we sit back whilst they subjugate us more an spread their kufr. Surely ji will cooperate with Egypt etc if they take leadership and it will be a Step in the right direction?

[Jannet.K]

Bro isn't ji a linked with ikhwan?

Aren't you basically suggesting we sit back and wait for politicians to seek advice from ulama?

I'll be honest akh I don't find that a well thought out plan. America is hoping we sit back whilst they subjugate us more an spread their kufr. Surely ji will cooperate with Egypt etc if they take leadership and it will be a Step in the right direction?

Assalamu alaykum

As I posted earlier, the attitude of JI will not change. "Hate ulema" is the fundamental slogan.

[VtLe67WR]

Also aren't you basically advocating secularism?

Surely an islamlic leader is the only way to progress the ummah?

[Maydayvar]

Abufatimah
Please understand the nature of politics. Just because one is a secularist does not make them evil.
Just because one talks of shriah does not mean they care for shariah-slogan based politics is the most dissinjenious form of politics. My relatives are good people who care a lot for wellbeing of people and are awami supporter and activist. At the same time they are god fearing. They suffered for sticking to prinicples of honesty (at the hands of their won party and by others!! I would vote for them any day over the JI!! What the likes of Bangladesh need are sincere, selfless honest people who are god fearing!! Not an ism sold to public as Islam! The latter one is oxymoron. Quality of islamic leader calls for honesty, humility!! The two words can't be in their book- get ahead by any means at the expense of Islamic teaching!
Once this JI leader (Quranist) said to my uncle why use hadith when you have Quran - usual quranist argument!!
JI has no support. People don't vote for them!! Iki on the other hand have public support and are generally liked. You can't equate the situation of ezypt and Bangladesh together.

[addisonnicogel]

no they are not the same!!
They have some commonalities but different! i have ikihwani friends and found the sincere amoung them actively seek local scholars advise and guidance - mainly deos! The JI are modernist and feel scholars are not needed unless they are in politics!! They equate islam with socialism,marxism.

I am not saying be apathetic but rather increase the level of godliness (no matter what ever polticial orientation) by doing activities that brings people together without labelling others as corrupt. I will always oppose them and will oppose anyone who speaks aginist scholarly body. The shaitun hides in different guise.
I dislike them more then lamadhabist! Come to think of it they are bedbuddies. Feed off one another!! Imam Abdasmad Clark and Shaikh Abdul Qadir as Sufi describes them well!
Superfical unity means nothing! Do you think anyone who disrepects scholars have any respect for honour and life - religion is a tool to be used!! Don't be so naieve brother. I rmember this IFE elder telling a scholar to shut up when he tried to explain something!! Also forcing out a scholar from masjed becasue they felt his message is not all about politics.
I HATE THESE STREET THUGS in religous garb! Once I was seleted to be a mutuwallis and they (IFE future leader) felt threten and said will be the cause of fitnah and fasad!! They systamatically removed all the neutral pakistnai members and placed their won relatives and party clique!! the masjed wasn't even set up by them!! This is how they work!! They have upset a lot of arab ikhwani members in the community by their underhanded tactics. Now I make a point in attacking them. They think by organisng some EID salat in park makes them more religious- in an attampt to fool the mass!! They do little work but claims they do a lot!! their nice posters are nothing but marketing ploy to generate funds.

Once I visited the East London mosque complex. It is quite impressive. But, in a bookstore at the cellar of the mosque , I found books written by Mawdudi !! Then , a TJ guy informed me that this big mosque is under the control of JI !! TJ Jamats are not even allowed to stay inside this mosque. I am so surprised.

How come such an important mosque fell into the control of JI ?

[gennnniiikk]

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