[Xcqjwarl]

I want a detailed analysis of the famous hadith which is presented as proof for the abrogation of Rafa Yadain reported by Nasai , abu Dawood , Tirmidhi. I am already aware of the superficiality of the issues regarding this hadith so kindly avoid that. A book will be welcomed.The explanation should cover the issue of Tadless associated with this hadith and the relevance of the Tabqat ul mudaliseen of Ibn hajjar to it. It should also cover the explanation of the criticism of early muhaditheen regarding this hadith.

Specially @ Mufti Abu Hajira ,Muzammil Husayn , Ansari , godilali.



عَنْ سُفْيَانَ ، عَنْ عَاصِمٍ يَعْنِي ابْنَ كُلَيْبٍ ، عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ الْأَسْوَدِ ، عَنْ عَلْقَمَةَ ، قَالَ عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ مَسْعُودٍ : " أَلَا

أُصَلِّي بِكُمْ صَلَاةَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ ؟ قَالَ : فَصَلَّى ، فَلَمْ يَرْفَعْ يَدَيْهِ إِلَّا مَرَّةً واحدا "

[b91ZmxzX]

I want a detailed analysis of the famous hadith which is presented as proof for the abrogation of Rafa Yadain reported by Nasai , abu Dawood , Tirmidhi. I am already aware of the superficiality of the issues regarding this hadith so kindly avoid that. A book will be welcomed.The explanation should cover the issue of Tadless associated with this hadith and the relevance of the Tabqat ul mudaliseen of Ibn hajjar to it. It should also cover the explanation of the criticism of early muhaditheen regarding this hadith.

Specially @ Mufti Abu Hajira , Ansari , godilali.



عَنْ سُفْيَانَ ، عَنْ عَاصِمٍ يَعْنِي ابْنَ كُلَيْبٍ ، عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ الْأَسْوَدِ ، عَنْ عَلْقَمَةَ ، قَالَ عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ مَسْعُودٍ : " أَلَا

أُصَلِّي بِكُمْ صَلَاةَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ ؟ قَالَ : فَصَلَّى ، فَلَمْ يَرْفَعْ يَدَيْهِ إِلَّا مَرَّةً واحدا "

Dr Sahib, I would appreciate if you can take my name off the list. A Miskeen like me doesn't belong there, especially next to gems.

I would also like to make a correction, this narration doesn't necessarily prove abrogation, it might prove our Mas'alah but not abrogation (although some have used it in conjunction with the title heading of al-Nasa'i but this is just speculation - Dhann).

Anyway read this excerpt from I'laa al-Sunan, translated by our Dear Brother, Hafiz Zameel.

http://attahawi.files.wordpress.com/...-al-yadayn.pdf

Wallahu A'lam

[Xcqjwarl]

Dr Sahib, I would appreciate if you can take my name off the list. A Miskeen like me doesn't belong there, especially next to gems.

I would also like to make a correction, this narration doesn't necessarily prove abrogation, it might prove our Mas'alah but not abrogation (although some have used it in conjunction with the title heading of al-Nasa'i but this is just speculation - Dhann).

Anyway read this excerpt from I'laaa al-Sunan, translated by our Dear Brother, Hafiz Zameel.

http://attahawi.files.wordpress.com/...-al-yadayn.pdf

Wallahu A'lam

Jazakallahu khair brother , i will go through it inshallah and you belong to the place where i have mentioned you.

[b91ZmxzX]

Jazakallahu khair brother , i will go through it inshallah and you belong to the place where i have mentioned you.

Please Doctor Sahib, it is my humble request.

[Xcqjwarl]

I will add a point to my inquiry to make the things more clear so that if the brothers want to add some further material to the explanation , things will get contextualized for them. There are certain Salafi Muhaditheen who have deemed this Hadith authentic. The prominent names are that of Shaykh Albani ra and Allama Ahmad Shakir ra. A few contemporary Salafi scholars have deemed it dhaeef. The most prominent among them is Hafiz Zubair Alizai. His main argument is that Sufyan Thawri ra is Mudalis and he is reporting with a'n so tadlees is established and so the Hadith is not authentic. A further inquiry into this issue reveals the fact that Hafiz Zubair Alizai has rejected the Tabqaat of mudaliseen established by Imam Ibn Hajjar while Shaykh Albani used to believe in the validity of Ibn Hajjar's Tabqaat ul Mudaliseen so did Allama Ahmad Shakir. I am looking for a detailed explanation of this hadith in the context of Tabqaat ul mudaliseen.

[Xcqjwarl]

Please Doctor Sahib, it is my humble request.

Done. الأمر فوق الأدب

[FreeOEMcheapestPHOTOSHOP]

Jazakallahu khair brother , i will go through it inshallah and you belong to the place where i have mentioned you.

[EliteFranceska]

Done. الأمر فوق الأدب

And I suppose Muzzammil Husayn and Ansari are different scholars.

[Stoottnoiciek]

And I suppose Muzzammil Husayn and Ansari are different scholars.

Yeah, that Kind of confused me too.

[Xcqjwarl]

And I suppose Muzzammil Husayn and Ansari are different scholars.

The absence of a single comma can make then look one.

[EliteFranceska]

Comma is mightier than the sword.

PS: Processing of brother Al_Zayn request is a fine example of Islamic etiquette - things like this make my life luminous.

[drmarshallusa]

I want a detailed analysis of the famous hadith which is presented as proof for the abrogation of Rafa Yadain reported by Nasai , abu Dawood , Tirmidhi. I am already aware of the superficiality of the issues regarding this hadith so kindly avoid that. A book will be welcomed.The explanation should cover the issue of Tadless associated with this hadith and the relevance of the Tabqat ul mudaliseen of Ibn hajjar to it. It should also cover the explanation of the criticism of early muhaditheen regarding this hadith.

Specially @ Mufti Abu Hajira ,Muzammil Husayn , Ansari , godilali.



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Here is proof of Samaat:�1„5�1„7�1‡4�1„3 �1…7�1†8�1†6�1†9�1„1 �1…7�1‡0 �1…7�1„0�1„7 �1ƒ9�1†8�1†8�1‡1 �1†6�1ƒ9�1†8�1ƒ5�1†8�1ƒ9 �1ƒ5�1„9�1‡4�1†7�1†9 �1…3�1†8�1ƒ9�1„1 �1„9�1…1�1‡2�1†8 �1ƒ9�1†8�1†8�1‡1 �1…3�1†8�1‡3 �1ƒ9�1†8�1†8�1‡1 �1…7�1†8�1‡4�1‡1 �1‡2�1…1�1†8�1†9 �1†5�1„9�1†5�1…7 �1‡4�1„7�1‡4�1‡1�1�2 �1†5�1‡4 �1ƒ5�1‡2�1†8 �1„2�1†7�1„0�1‡4�1„9�1„1 �1„3�1†9 �1†8�1†9 �1‡4�1…7�1„7. �1†5�1†6�1ƒ9�1†8: �1‡4�1„9�1‡2�1‡4�1‡1 �1…7�1ƒ9�1…3�1†9 �1ƒ9�1„0�1‡0 �1†7�1†8�1‡4�1„0 �1…7�1‡0 �1…7�1„0�1„7 �1ƒ9�1†8�1„9�1„5�1†9�1‡0 �1ƒ9�1„0�1‡0 �1ƒ9�1†8�1ƒ5�1…1�1‡2�1„7�1�2 �1…7�1‡0 �1…7�1†8�1†6�1†9�1„1�1�2�1„5�1„7�1ˆ1�1„3 �1„0�1‡1 �1ƒ9�1†8�1„3�1‡2�1„9�1‡4�1…7�1‡0�1‡1. �1‡2�1„9�1‡2�1ƒ9�1‡1 �1ƒ5�1„0�1‡2 �1„0�1†7�1„9 �1ƒ9�1†8�1‡0�1‡1�1…2�1†8�1‡4 �1…7�1‡0 �1…7�1ƒ9�1…3�1†9 �1ƒ9�1„0�1‡0 �1†7�1†8�1‡4�1„0 �1…7�1‡0 �1…7�1„0�1„7 �1ƒ9�1†8�1„9�1„5�1†9�1‡0 �1ƒ9�1„0�1‡0 �1ƒ9�1†8�1ƒ5�1…1�1‡2�1„7�1�2 �1…7�1‡0 �1ƒ5�1„0�1‡4�1‡1�1�2 �1‡2�1…7�1†8�1†6�1†9�1„1�1�2 �1…7�1‡0 �1…7�1„0�1„7 �1ƒ9�1†8�1†8�1‡1 �1‡2�1†7�1„8�1†8�1†7 �1„9�1‡2�1ƒ9�1‡1 �1ƒ9�1„0�1‡0 �1ƒ9�1„7�1„9�1‡4�1…1 �1…7�1‡0 �1…7�1ƒ9�1…3�1†9 �1„0�1‡0 �1†7�1†8�1‡4�1„0 �1…7�1‡0 �1…7�1„0�1„7 �1ƒ9�1†8�1„9�1„5�1†9�1‡0 �1„0�1‡0 �1ƒ9�1†8�1ƒ5�1…1�1‡2�1„7 �1…7�1‡0 �1…7�1†8�1†6�1†9�1„1 �1…7�1‡0 �1…7�1„0�1„7 �1ƒ9�1†8�1†8�1‡1. �1‡2�1ƒ7�1…1�1‡0�1ƒ9�1„7�1‡1 �1…3�1„5�1‡4�1„5�1�2[Ilal al-DaraQutni, Hadith # 806]Note at:""�1„5�1„7�1„3 �1„0�1‡1 �1ƒ9�1†8�1„3�1‡2�1„9�1‡4""which is Seegha-e-Samaat and then Imam Daraqutni has shown a different chain too and "ALSO DECLARED THE CHAIN AS "SAHIH"Whether Imam Daraqutni called last wording of hadith as Ghayr Mahfuz or not but the point is he considered Chain as Authentic and also clarified about "SAMAAT OF SUFYAN THAWRI"

[drmarshallusa]

Sorry, don't know y my urdu/arabic words/letters r being replaced by those unknown symbols here.

[Xcqjwarl]

Sorry, don't know y my urdu/arabic words/letters r being replaced by those unknown symbols here.

jazakallah for your effort brother. I think if you try to copy the text again then it might help.

[drmarshallusa]

jazakallah for your effort brother. I think if you try to copy the text again then it might help.

well. .!! Here is my another attempt wit diff browser. Hope, it may work.
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Here is proof of Samaat:حديث علقمة عن عبد الله قالألا أريكم صلاة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فرفع يديه، في أول تكبيرة ثم لم يعد. فقال: يرويه عاصم ابن كليب عن عبد الرحمن ابن الأسود، عن علقمة،حدّث به الثوريعنه. ورواه أبو بكر النهشلي عن عاصم ابن كليب عن عبد الرحمن ابن الأسود، عن أبيه، وعلقمة، عن عبد الله وكذلك رواه ابن ادريس عن عاصم بن كليب عن عبد الرحمن بن الأسود عن علقمة عن عبد الله. وإسناده صحيح،[Ilal al-DaraQutni, Hadith # 806]
Note at:""حدث به الثوري"‏‎ "which is Seegha-e-Samaat and then Imam Daraqutni has shown a different chain too and "ALSO DECLARED THE CHAIN AS "SAHIH"Whether Imam Daraqutni called last wording of hadith as Ghayr Mahfuz or not but the point is he considered Chain as Authentic and also clarified about "SAMAAT OF SUFYAN THAWRI"

[Xcqjwarl]

I think i need to bump this one..