[mylittlejewelaa]

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[amusaasyday]

Good topic I would also like to know more about this. InshaAllah anyone with knowledge please answer

[payporanymn]

ask our Barelwi brethren , they will tell you in detail about the rituals, customs, rites and superstitions .....

[slimfifa]

سلام علكم

If Ibn Abdul-Wahhab has a book on what he considers innovations then you can read it and you'll know what sort of things were going on at the time.

[slimfifa]

are u serious............??!?

@Tripoly sunni
any name of book you would like to suggest.

Salam Aleykum,

I've no idea, I only heard about "Kitab-al-Tawheed" and "Mukhtasar Seerat al-Rasul" but he must have other books.

[11Pecepebra]

From what I've heard (I'm not a Wahabi, by the way), the practices that were being committed there were far worse than what the Brelwis do today. I believe there was basically absolute shirk being committed.

Other scholars of the time wrote about some of the practices, I believe.

Of course, that does not necessarily justify everything the Wahabis did, but there actually was a problem with shirk and bid`a there.

[Info-phone]

السلام عليكم,

One thing is that the graveyards like jannatul baqi etc. used to be built up like (some?) graveyards in pakistan with mausoleums and huge buildings on the graves etc. I've seen that in pictures.

[Fruriourl]

so the arabs before wahab came on seen

It's Muhammad Ibn 'Abdul-Wahhab, not "wahab".
"Al-Wahhab" is one of the names of Allah.

[payporanymn]

best way is to be neutral and acknowledge good and bad of each group / movement. Accept what is in conformity with the beliefs of Ahlus Sunnah wal jamaah and reject what is not.

there is no need to make Islam a copyright or trademark. All can live in harmony & peace. There is no compulsion in religion.

[Nothatspecial]

^^ Bro why dont you mention some examples of bidah according to salafis of at that time instead giving irrelevant comments?

[payporanymn]

^^ Bro why dont you mention some examples of bidah according to salafis of at that time instead giving irrelevant comments?

you mean like tying knots ( nara ) to graves of dead people and throwing small chits ( chits which have questions on it ) and then asking sahib al-Qabr for Madad and shafaa ? these type of things or are you referring to something else like URS Melas ( anniversaries ) and qawwalis / hadras in haram ?

or like dhabih in the name of dead people ?

[Nothatspecial]

you mean like tying knots ( nara ) to graves of dead people and throwing small chits ( chits which have questions on it ) and then asking sahib al-Qabr for Madad and shafaa ? these type of things or are you referring to something else like URS Melas ( anniversaries ) and qawwalis / hadras in haram ?

or like dhabih in the name of dead people ?

Things catagorised as Bidah by their scholars at their time.

[dexterljohnthefinanceguy]

One incident, if I can recall correctly, is that there used to be a place in pre-Saudi times in the Arabian peninsula where some who called themselves Muslims worshipped a tree...

Sh. Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-Wahhaab may have had the correct intentions but as our 'ulama have said, he was harsh in his actions. You can see how kindness and simplicity in actions can move people against shirk and bid'ah if you look at the Tableeghi Jamaat movement because during Ml Ilyas 's time, Muslims were praying to idols in temples, forcing him to begin the work of da'wah towards Muslims.

[beloveds]

It's Muhammad Ibn 'Abdul-Wahhab, not "wahab".
"Al-Wahhab" is one of the names of Allah.

Salam

So is Al Malik, one of Allah's beautiful names, malikies are Imam Malikis followeres. is there any Ahlus sunnah wa Jamah scholars back what your saying? If so please quote, not from neo salafist preachers!

JZK

[drgshmcm]

So called grave worship was the biggie...the idea that people were asking from the dead or tawwasul, to the followers of Muhammad Wahab this made them mushriks and therefore they could be killed and their wealth and property taken, and their women and children enslaved.

Ask them even now, if I am trapped or hurt and I call out to someone alive to help me is it shirk? No

Ask them, if I call out to someone dead is it shirk? Yes

Why?

Because the dead are non existent and if you call them you are doing shirk by giving them Divine Powers.

How about if Allah makes the dead to hear and able to plead 'intercede' with Allah? No still shirk. Why? because we say so.

Bida is anything new that Muslims do which has not textual authority. The followers of Muhammad Wahab like texts and believe only the written texts have authority...no spiritual knowledge is passed on from human heart to human heart. They have a stange belief that dead people are non existent, the ruhani world is not immediate or present for them, it is in a sealed off existence somewhere where we have no access to it. In the salah we send durud on the Rasul so I assume they somehow believe that this reaches him ?

[Yswxomvy]

Salaam

Please refer to attached.

Excellent summary, whether one agrees with it or not.

[dAy2EWlg]

One incident, if I can recall correctly, is that there used to be a place in pre-Saudi times in the Arabian peninsula where some who called themselves Muslims worshipped a tree...

Sh. Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-Wahhaab may have had the correct intentions but as our 'ulama have said, he was harsh in his actions. You can see how kindness and simplicity in actions can move people against shirk and bid'ah if you look at the Tableeghi Jamaat movement because during Ml Ilyas 's time, Muslims were praying to idols in temples, forcing him to begin the work of da'wah towards Muslims.

I used to have a book on the life on Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab (ra), basically there were not just people like the Barelvis in Arabia at that time, there were also people venerating trees with Jinn in them and many people following liars who were claiming to be sooth sayers and fooling people to believe that they knew the future.

As for Kitab ut Tahwheed as far as I can remember it is mostly just a collection of Hadeeths with conclusions that every Muslim should agree with apart from in one or two places where it reflects a literalist Hanbalism that differs from the viewpoints of most Sunni scholars;

1. Hanbali literalism leads to a statement implying that Allah has a literal shin (although Wahhabis would say that this shin is obviously in no way comparable to a human shin).

2. Hanbali literalism leads to an extremely strong view on amulets, implying that they are shirk even if they are only Quran verses.

and one or two similar things.

[ringsarcle]

Salam

So is Al Malik, one of Allah's beautiful names, malikies are Imam Malikis followeres. is there any Ahlus sunnah wa Jamah scholars back what your saying? If so please quote, not from neo salafist preachers!

JZK

What is wrong in what brother umar_italy have written ? He just remembered to us that in writing one of the beautiful name of Allah we should be careful.
It's like he was saying to someone who wrote Allah with only one "l" to correct it.
Don't need to go further.

wAllâhu A'lam.

[drgshmcm]

Of course it must be remembered that the history written by the Saudis cannot be trusted for its authenticity, they wanted to break away from the Khilafat Uthmaniya, and rebel against it...and to achieve this they had to fight against Muslims and kill them. Of course by doing this they had to justify it by calling them mushriks.

[ringsarcle]

Of course it must be remembered that the history written by the Saudis cannot be trusted for its authenticity, they wanted to break away from the Khilafat Uthmaniya, and rebel against it...and to achieve this they had to fight against Muslims and kill them. Of course by doing this they had to justify it by calling them mushriks.

What will you say if a saudi said this to you :
"Of course, it must be remembered that the history written by those who oppose the da'wa of the Shakh cannot be trusted for its authenticity, they wanted to [put here what ever reasons he could give you]... and to achieve this they have to exagerate some mistakes which the Shaykh or his followers may have made. Of course by doing this, they had to obtain a scholarly opinion to sustain them and so they presetend distorted facts or quotes to scholars so that they call the Shaykh and his followers as deviant."

My point is just that if it must be remembered that the Saudis may have shortcomings in relating what happened during this era, the same can and must be said for those who opposed them.