[User-Luser]

Asalaamu Alaikum

In a few days I am flying home Insha Allah. My flight departure is meant to be at 9pm from uk. In ul magrib is around 9.25 an Isha just after 11 where I live.

My flight is a long one and I will need to pray Magrib, Isha and also Fajr on board Insha Allah. I'm not sure how I am meant to do this.

Can I combine Magrib and Isha as it would be more convenient for me to do so? Or should I try to do them separately but the shortened way for Isha? It would be more convenient as I lose wudhu often due to discharge sometimes. I am going to ask the flight attendants if there is some space for me to pray standing up. I think there might e Insha Allah as it is an emirates flight and I asked the lady I spoke to in the phone and she seemed to say yes.

Also I follow the shafi Madhhab btw if that makes any difference. And can someone please help me understand how exactly do I pray whilst travelling? Or if combining prayers?

[FsQGF1Mp]

I usually combine (jama') & shorten (qasr) when travelling (safar).
And on plane, eg Malaysian Airlines, they allow muslims to pray on board the plane, at some space that do not disturb other passengers. Ask the stewardess which space is convenient for you to make your salat.
Also, be aware of the direction of the Qiblah (ie Makkah). Try as best to face the direction of Qiblah while making the 1st takbir (takbir tahrima/ takbiratul ihram).
If you find it difficult to perform the salat standing (eg if suddenly the flight becomes rough), it is permissible for you to pray sitting.

Wallaahu a'lam.

Note: if you wish to combine & shorten the solat (ie jama' & qasr), please note that if you are performing the maghrib (3 rak'aat) + isya' (2 rak'aat , ie shortened) in ISYA' time, you have to make intention in the maghrib time that you will be performing the solat in Isya' (ie jama' ta'kheer). If you are performing them in maghrib time (ie jama' taqdeem), then there's no need to make intention before hand. Just the niat of praying when performing the salat.

[User-Luser]

JazakAllah Khair brother.

Let me make sure I've got this completely right as I've never prayed like this before.

So I can choose to either pray at Magrib or Isha time depending on what is more convenient? I guess Isha time would be better as the beginning of the flight time is always kind of chaotic and Emirates tend to serve food asap and it might be easier for me to wait till things have settled down and then ask them for a space to pray. Would that be okay then. So after sun sets, I can make a niyyat that I will pray Magrib as Jama Ta'kheer and then just do them both later?

So when I pray in this way do I do Isha two rakat first or do three rakat for Magrib first? Can you please help me understand the steps and procedure? Eg. do I just say Iqamah and make Niyyat for Magrib seperately, pray, give salaam and then stand back up and make niyyat for Isha :S I think I have got that wrong because that sounds more like Qadha prayer.

Also Emirates normally shows the direction of Qibla so Insha Allah that won't be an issue.

[Zoxeeoy]

Walaikum Salam.

The Holy Qu'ran excuses us from prayer during travel, and says that we can just make it up later.

[kiosokkn]

^Really, where?

[TerriLS]

Walaikum Salam.

The Holy Qu'ran excuses us from prayer during travel, and says that we can just make it up later.

Absolute rubbish!

Fear for your imaan before attributing lies to the Almighty...

[User-Luser]

brothers and sisters, please help me understand the steps for combining prayers and shortening them...

Also I used to think that travel was an excuse and I can do Qadha later. So perhaps brother Remember_Salat is just under the impression as well as opposed to intentionally making up lies.

Having said that, even if I do the prayers as combines prayers or Qasr, I will still need to do them Qadha later right?

[irrawnWab]

Bismillah Ir-Rehman Ir-Raheem

Assalam-Alaikum:

http://www.islam.tc/cgi-bin/askimam/...=6153&act=view

http://www.islam.tc/cgi-bin/askimam/...=6720&act=view

Sister, Insha-Allah, these answers solve your query.

Have a safe trip Insha-Allah and please take care of yourself.



If I have said anything that is good and true, it is from Allah, and anything other than that is my own mistake.

[FsQGF1Mp]

JazakAllah Khair brother.

Let me make sure I've got this completely right as I've never prayed like this before.

So I can choose to either pray at Magrib or Isha time depending on what is more convenient? I guess Isha time would be better as the beginning of the flight time is always kind of chaotic and Emirates tend to serve food asap and it might be easier for me to wait till things have settled down and then ask them for a space to pray. Would that be okay then. So after sun sets, I can make a niyyat that I will pray Magrib as Jama Ta'kheer and then just do them both later?

So when I pray in this way do I do Isha two rakat first or do three rakat for Magrib first? Can you please help me understand the steps and procedure? Eg. do I just say Iqamah and make Niyyat for Magrib seperately, pray, give salaam and then stand back up and make niyyat for Isha :S I think I have got that wrong because that sounds more like Qadha prayer.

Also Emirates normally shows the direction of Qibla so Insha Allah that won't be an issue.

So I can choose to either pray at Magrib or Isha time depending on what is more convenient?
Yes.

I guess Isha time would be better as the beginning of the flight time is always kind of chaotic and Emirates tend to serve food asap and it might be easier for me to wait till things have settled down and then ask them for a space to pray. Would that be okay then. So after sun sets, I can make a niyyat that I will pray Magrib as Jama Ta'kheer and then just do them both later?
Yes, it is ok to wait until things have settled down and perform the solat in isya time.
When maghrib time has entered, make niyyat to pray jama' ta'khir and then perform both prayers later.

Can you please help me understand the steps and procedure? Eg. do I just say Iqamah and make Niyyat for Magrib seperately, pray, give salaam and then stand back up and make niyyat for Isha :S I think I have got that wrong because that sounds more like Qadha prayer.
1- Iqamah (not compulsory)
2- make niyyat of maghrib jama' takhir in the 1st takbeer & pray 3 rak'aat (nb: it is preferable that solat isya is performed first for jama' ta'khir. See note (i) below)
3- give salam.
4- stand up & do Iqamah (not compulsory)
5- make niyyat for isya' qasr (ie 2 rak'aats) & jama' takhir and pray 2 rak'aats.
6- give salam.

note:
i - for jama' takhir, it does not matter which prayer you perform first, ie whether perform maghrib first and then isya or isya first and then maghrib. However, it is preferable that Isya is perform first.
ii- for jama' prayer (whether taqdim or ta'khir) after salam of the 1st prayer, stand up and make iqamah and perform the 2nd prayer. Do not delay or do other thing after the salam of the 1st prayer. Do'a etc can be done after completely finishing both the solat. If however there is a need to perform ablution after the salam of the 1st prayer, then it is permissible to perform ablution (wudhu') and then immediately return to the prayer place, make iqamah dan continue perform the 2nd solat.

brothers and sisters, please help me understand the steps for combining prayers and shortening them...

Also I used to think that travel was an excuse and I can do Qadha later. So perhaps brother Remember_Salat is just under the impression as well as opposed to intentionally making up lies.

Having said that, even if I do the prayers as combines prayers or Qasr, I will still need to do them Qadha later right?

if I do the prayers as combines prayers or Qasr, I will still need to do them Qadha later right?
No, you do not need to make qadha.

Bismillah Ir-Rehman Ir-Raheem

Assalam-Alaikum:

http://www.islam.tc/cgi-bin/askimam/...=6153&act=view

http://www.islam.tc/cgi-bin/askimam/...=6720&act=view

Sister, Insha-Allah, these answers solve your query.

Have a safe trip Insha-Allah and please take care of yourself.



If I have said anything that is good and true, it is from Allah, and anything other than that is my own mistake.

Wa'alaykum assalaam sis Anybody,

the links that you gave are for the Hanafi madzhab. Not Shafi'e.

Wallaahu a'lam.

[irrawnWab]

Bismillah Ir-Rehman Ir-Raheem

Assalam-Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh Brother Silat:

May Allah keep us on the Straight Path and may Allah keep you under His mercy.

, Brother, thank you for helping the Sister with her query; I appreciate you doing this, Brother.

Yes, Brother, I just realized that; for the correction.

If I have said anything that is good and true, it is from Allah, and anything other than that is my own mistake.

[FsQGF1Mp]

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1- Iqamah (not compulsory)
2- make niyyat of maghrib jama' takhir in the 1st takbeer & pray 3 rak'aat (nb: it is preferable that solat isya is performed first for jama' ta'khir. See note (i) below)
3- give salam.
4- Iqamah (not compulsory)
5- stand up & make niyyat for isya' qasr (ie 2 rak'aats) & jama' takhir and pray 2 rak'aats.
6- give salam.

note:
i - for jama' takhir, it does not matter which prayer you perform first, ie whether perform maghrib first and then isya or isya first and then maghrib. However, it is preferable that Isya is perform first.
ii- for jama' prayer (whether taqdim or ta'khir) after salam of the 1st prayer, stand up and make iqamah and perform the 2nd prayer. Do not delay or do other thing after the salam of the 1st prayer. Do'a etc can be done after completely finishing both the solat. If however there is a need to perform ablution after the salam of the 1st prayer, then it is permissible to perform ablution (wudhu') and then immediately return to the prayer place, make iqamah dan continue perform the 2nd solat.

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Note:
Ive just checked with an 'alim regarding which prayer we should perform first in jama' ta'khir.
According to the 'alim, it is preferable that the earlier prayer (ie in your case it is maghrib prayer) be performed first. (as opposed to what Ive written above). However, if the person is worried that it is near the end of the 2nd prayer period, ie if you wake up and find that it is near fajr time, ie near the end of isya period... hence, it is preferable to perform solat isya' first and then maghrib.

Maybe there are different views of this matter.

wallaahu a'lam.

Bismillah Ir-Rehman Ir-Raheem

Assalam-Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh Brother Silat:

May Allah keep us on the Straight Path and may Allah keep you under His mercy.

Wa'alaykum assalaam wa rahmatullaahi wa barokaatuh sis Anyone.
Amiiin. Jazaakillaahu khoyron for your kind du'a.

[salomal-qask]

You can do both Qasr and Combine the prayers at the same time??
I though you can only do one, Qasr or combining the prayers.

[FsQGF1Mp]

You can do both Qasr and Combine the prayers at the same time??
I though you can only do one, Qasr or combining the prayers.

Yes, in Shafi'e we can do both qasr & jamak at the same time.

[Ettiominiw]

Absolute rubbish!

Fear for your imaan before attributing lies to the Almighty...

Bro, he is a new Muslim. So be nice.

[salomal-qask]

Bro, he is a new Muslim. So be nice.

I was just about to say the same thing. Beat me to it.

[User-Luser]

Brother Silat the information you have provided has been really useful. JazakAllah Khair and to everyone else who replied as well. May Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala reward you for the time you've taken to help me.

I just had one last question. I'm not actually seated by a window. How do I determine prayer times? I was going to go based on times like Isha would be easy if I pray about three hours after 9pm. Fajr may be a bit harder but I guess I can speak to a Muslim stewardess Insha Allah.

Thank you all once again.

[mortgrhhh]

Yeah, when traveling on a plane you cross the time-zones pretty fast. One time I prayed Asr on my seat, then opened the window and it was already dark!

Fixing the time is a bit trickier than qiblat. It would be nice if someone has figured it out.

[FsQGF1Mp]

Brother Silat the information you have provided has been really useful. JazakAllah Khair and to everyone else who replied as well. May Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala reward you for the time you've taken to help me.

I just had one last question. I'm not actually seated by a window. How do I determine prayer times? I was going to go based on times like Isha would be easy if I pray about three hours after 9pm. Fajr may be a bit harder but I guess I can speak to a Muslim stewardess Insha Allah.

Thank you all once again.

Maybe you could ask the stewardess for the sunrise time and hence be prepared beforehand and be vigilant .

wallaahu a'lam.

May ALLAH swt make it easy for you and family.