[Glanteeignile]

I may have heard of an Imam speaking against muslims branching off and creating their own mosques on different sides of the city.
Is there any proof for this being against the sunnah?
Should all mosques be closed for jummah so that the muslims all congregate at one mosque?

Whats the distance that this rule would apply?

[O25YtQnn]

good question- anyone got the reply pls?

[Glanteeignile]

Been searching online....I may have to ask a scholar but sometimes its hard to reach them.

[Glanteeignile]

??

[PymnImmen]

I am not a scholar, and the following is my opinion:

It definitely depends on the situation. I know in my city, we have two mosques within 10 minutes of each other. Both are full during Jummah, so I don't think it would be wise to close one in fear of having people not be able to come.

[Glanteeignile]

But if the mosques are not filled then should they be closed until filled?
Our Mosques usually have allot of empty space.

[PymnImmen]

Is there a scholar who can help us on this issue?

[Smittoh]

in the shafi madhab we can only have one jumua but if necessary we can have more.

[Glanteeignile]

I did much research and the scholars say this is haram
it cause disunity among the muslims
but it is permissible only if there is need
for instance if there is not enough space to fit all the muslims in one mosque
or the city is too big
The muslims in Baghdad built two mosques in the city under the scholars approval and no one detested
one in the east and one in the west
so the question should be, what qualifies as big enough city that will accept two mosques
I guess each cities size is different.

[Glanteeignile]

I guess it goes to mention
my city isnt that big
Baghdad is a city of over 7 million residents
my city is close to only 130 thousand...
safe to say my city is no where near the magnitude of Baghdad
and there city allowed two?

[FourEsters]

One place in the world to my knowledge this is implmented is Darul-uloom Karachi due to long efforts by Shaykh (Mufti) Shafi Usmani (RA) [Grand-Mufti of Pakistan] and the father of current Shaykh (Mufti) Rafi Usmani (HA) & Shaykh (Mufti) Taqi Usmani (HA)

In Korangi (Karachi) thousands of Muslims attempt to do ONE JUMMUAH depsite great distances and population in a congested part of one of the largest cities of the world

There are other Jummuahs now obviously because they can't cater for everyone (for logistical reasons).

There are other examples here or there but nothing on the scale of a massive effort put in by these Ulamah over decades to setup and sustain this! In the West due to logicstical and financial reasons its often not possible.

[Glanteeignile]

One place in the world to my knowledge this is implmented is Darul-uloom Karachi due to long efforts by Shaykh (Mufti) Shafi Usmani (RA) [Grand-Mufti of Pakistan] and the father of current Shaykh (Mufti) Rafi Usmani (HA) & Shaykh (Mufti) Taqi Usmani (HA)

In Korangi (Karachi) thousands of Muslims attempt to do ONE JUMMUAH depsite great distances and population in a congested part of one of the largest cities of the world

There are other Jummuahs now obviously because they can't cater for everyone (for logistical reasons).

There are other examples here or there but nothing on the scale of a massive effort put in by these Ulamah over decades to setup and sustain this! In the West due to logicstical and financial reasons its often not possible.

So the sheiks actually tried to enforce one jumah?
And why do you say its not possible in the west due to financial reasons?
Like I said my city has about 130 thousand people..5 miles apart to each mosque...its not really far..
Thats way less then that city
why couldnt it be sustained in the west?

[fabrizioitwloch]

Scholars have stated that it is perfectly fine to hold the friday prayer in more mosques in one city.

See the fatwa of Mufti Kifayatullah (3/221): http://www.archive.org/stream/Kifaya.../n220/mode/1up

He clear states "There is no doubt of the permissibility of holding multiple jumu'a prayers. Where it is permissible to hold the jumu'a prayer, mulitple jumu'a prayers are also allowed. This is the chosen stance of the madhhab and that is the reliable view (mu'tamad) and mufta bihi."

[Glanteeignile]

Theres a difference of opinion
Some scholars state otherwise
just trying to understand their reasoning

[fabrizioitwloch]

Theres a difference of opinion
Some scholars state otherwise
just trying to understand their reasoning

Who are these "some" scholars.

[FourEsters]

So the sheiks actually tried to enforce one jumah?
And why do you say its not possible in the west due to financial reasons?
Like I said my city has about 130 thousand people..5 miles apart to each mosque...its not really far..
Thats way less then that city
why couldnt it be sustained in the west?

They didn't enforce it as its allowed to have multiple Jummuahs but they worked to have ONLY ONE as its a desirable thing. In the West people are trying to do Jummuah while at work (during Lunch hours) and students are at university so there are two practical problems:

1. Getting to the place of Jummuah and praying and then getting back to work/university
2. Having premises big enough to hold that many (thousands of people).
3. In Europe you can't really have Jummuah in open fields most of the time due to weather.

[CHEAPPoem]

I remember reading in the Hashiyah that we should pray 4 raka'at fard Dhuhr after jumu'ah, ihtiyaatan. . . wa Llahu a'lam. Perhaps I'm not entirely correct as this was years ago, but it should be an interesting lead.

[FourEsters]

I remember reading in the Hashiyah that we should pray 4 raka'at fard Dhuhr after jumu'ah, ihtiyaatan. . . wa Llahu a'lam. Perhaps I'm not entirely correct as this was years ago, but it should be an interesting lead.

Yes some Turks do this.

[cabonuserollyo]

About the zuhr-i akhir issue : http://askimam.org/public/question_detail/16220

[Glanteeignile]

There are scholars on different websites that will give you different opinions.
The shiek in my city told us about splitting and making our own masjids so he denounced different juma'hs.
You may not agree but I understand their reasoning and it makes sense. We should all be under one house.
For those in the west, they have to figure out whats more important...their jobs, or their deen.

As far as the weather issue, if there is bad weather, jumah is not prescribed...
There really shouldnt be too many issues on this.