[KojlinMakolvin]

I can never find proofs for this, if I have been blessed with wealth and i pay zakah and fulfil my fard. But i want to spend my money on buying designer handbags lavish holidays spednign thousands etc..

i wonder is there any such ruling on how you define what is lavish or extraveagent.. i know we will be asked how we spent our wealth on the Day or judgement.

I like to go to dubai with the family however its costs £5,000 for 1 week break I can afford it but is it haram?

[FourEsters]

I can never find proofs for this, if I have been blessed with wealth and i pay zakah and fulfil my fard. But i want to spend my money on buying designer handbags lavish holidays spednign thousands etc..

i wonder is there any such ruling on how you define what is lavish or extraveagent.. i know we will be asked how we spent our wealth on the Day or judgement.

I like to go to dubai with the family however its costs £5,000 for 1 week break I can afford it but is it haram?

Depends of what your intention is. If you are spending to showing off then its HARAM. If Allah (SWT) has given you wealth (Masha'Allah) and you pay your Zakat and also give charity and then just want to enjoy the finer things in life then its permissable.

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It would also be good if one can spend lavishly for deen too, just as the sahabah done... radiallaahu 'anhum.

[HassFks]

I can never find proofs for this, if I have been blessed with wealth and i pay zakah and fulfil my fard. But i want to spend my money on buying designer handbags lavish holidays spednign thousands etc..

i wonder is there any such ruling on how you define what is lavish or extraveagent.. i know we will be asked how we spent our wealth on the Day or judgement.

I like to go to dubai with the family however its costs £5,000 for 1 week break I can afford it but is it haram?

ask a homeless palestinian/afghan/syrian
someone living in tents,on u.n handouts,or less,
see what they say

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ask a homeless palestinian/afghan/syrian
someone living in tents,on u.n handouts,or less,
see what they say

Let's not put the brother through a guilt trip, he has money and wants to go on a family holiday, how do we know he could have given loads of money to charities that helps Palestinians? Afghans? Syrians? and other Muslim charities that helps out the Ummah?

Masha-Allah Brother Red Curry Allah has blessed you with wealth. My simple advice (if your not already acting upon it) is give Sadaqah here and there, seek the pleasure of Allah with what you got, and Allah will increase your wealth, put Barakah in it and give you a high Maqam in Jannah.

[perhilzit]

I can never find proofs for this, if I have been blessed with wealth and i pay zakah and fulfil my fard. But i want to spend my money on buying designer handbags lavish holidays spednign thousands etc..

i wonder is there any such ruling on how you define what is lavish or extraveagent.. i know we will be asked how we spent our wealth on the Day or judgement.

I like to go to dubai with the family however its costs £5,000 for 1 week break I can afford it but is it haram?

You just touched on a beautiful part of practicing Islam unintentionally . Or opened an observation of it.

As Colonel_Hardstone said in the previous post 'Depends of what your intention is.'
All our actions are such.

But I noticed that you are eager to spend on ..... above mentioned . Of course its not Haram . But allah judges us on what our intentions are even if you never get rich the intentions you have mentioned counts with Allah.

Think of another person who is also not that rich or even rather poor but he / she disciplined their Nafs and are having day dreams of spending money for the good for the sake of Allah . They may never get the chance , might die poorer then they are right now .

You think if people like these have sincerity in their heart Allah will let their whimsical fantasies of doing good for his sake go to waste ?

Think of the Auwliya Allah many of them were extremely poor. You think Allah do not know what is in their hearts ? What they would have done or not done even if they were made Rich beyond their imaginations ?

So don't take your fantasies for granted .it shapes your heart and relationship with Allah.

[HassFks]

Let's not put the brother through a guilt trip, he has money and wants to go on a family holiday, how do we know he could have given loads of money to charities that helps Palestinians? Afghans? Syrians? and other Muslim charities that helps out the Ummah?

Masha-Allah Brother Red Curry Allah has blessed you with wealth. My simple advice (if your not already acting upon it) is give Sadaqah here and there, seek the pleasure of Allah with what you got, and Allah will increase your wealth, put Barakah in it and give you a high Maqam in Jannah.

its up to him what he does

but he came here and asked

molana tariq jameel in a bayan said it is halal to spend youre wealth on halal "extras"

but think "is it necessary"

my views are the same regarding nafl hajj and umrah

i guess these are extreme views,brought about by my personal experiences

i have to add ,end of the day what people do with their wealth is their own business,as i have clearly stated in the prince funeral thread.http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...l=1#post779485

who am i .

nobody.

i guess i will go back to posting far less as i used to

[Mjyzpzph]

ask a homeless palestinian/afghan/syrian
someone living in tents,on u.n handouts,or less,
see what they say

I tend to agree with this very much.The Prophet[saws] said one do not go to bed on a full stomach when his neighbor is hungry.There is so much poverty and hunger all around the world that I don't understand how Muslims especially can wallop in luxury.Is this how the Prophet[saws] and sahaba lived???

[FourEsters]

Aren't we being judgemental? What if the brother gives his Zakah, donates a lot in charity and cares for Muslims (worldwide)? Allah (SWT) has Masha’Allah blessed him with more wealth (still) so he is within his right to spend it on himself and the family.

The most we can do is to encourage him to spend more but we can’t be judgmental and condescending about it, can we? Its permissable to wallop in luxury he isn't doing anything wrong, at all!

[Mjyzpzph]

Aren't we being judgemental? What if the brother gives his Zakah, donates a lot in charity and cares for Muslims (worldwide)? Allah (SWT) has Masha’Allah blessed him with more wealth (still) so he is within his right to spend it on himself and the family.

The most we can do is to encourage him to spend more but we can’t be judgmental and condescending about it, can we? Its permissable to wallop in luxury he isn't doing anything wrong, at all!

So to talk about how the Prophet[saws] and sahaba lived and being conscious of the poor among us is being judgemental and condescending.What trickery of words.

[FourEsters]

So to talk about how the Prophet[saws] and sahaba lived and being conscious of the poor among us is being judgemental and condescending.What trickery of words.

Living the life of Sunnah doesn’t imply living poor as there were plenty of rich Sahaba (RA) around as well who spent on their families and dressed nicely etc.

Sayyidina Rasul-ullah and the Sahaba (RA) NEVER commanded for a person not to spend (if all the rights of the wealth) have been fulfilled. If the brother is fulfilling its rights (and we have to assume that he is) then you CANNOT FORCE him to spend in a certain way.

Allah (SWT) has permitted me to spend his wealth as he pleases.

[KojlinMakolvin]

On the day of judgment we will be asked how we earnt our wealth and how we spent it.

There are poor muslims / non muslims starving surely on the day of judgment they will Go to Allah and say where were the rich and wealthy they didnt help me instead of feeding us he went brought a rolex for £8,000 (not that i ever will)

do you get my point...

i just wondered if any of the 4 imams of fiqh had a fatwa on excessive spending.

[Ettiominiw]

Ibn Hajar's purpose in al-Zawajir 'an iqtiraf al-kaba'ir is to warn readers against any act that an Islamic scholar has classified as an enormity.

(264-65) a person's eating copiously of his own money when he knows this will harm him considerably;
or being lavish in food and drink out of greediness and vanity;

(al-Zawajir 'an iqtiraf al-kaba'ir (y49), 1.27-266,2.3-230)

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Aren't we being judgemental? What if the brother gives his Zakah, donates a lot in charity and cares for Muslims (worldwide)? Allah (SWT) has Masha’Allah blessed him with more wealth (still) so he is within his right to spend it on himself and the family.

The most we can do is to encourage him to spend more but we can’t be judgmental and condescending about it, can we? Its permissable to wallop in luxury he isn't doing anything wrong, at all!

Isn't including the part above in red contributing to being judgmental? Why not just say, "If the brother gives his Zakah (and all mandatory payments, fitr, upon childbirth, etc ..), fulfills the needs of his dependents, he can spend the rest of his wealth as he deems fit."

Is donating a lot in charity, and caring for Muslims worldwide an obligation, or at a level if one doesn't do it he may be blamed or given a guilt trip?

Seriously, not trying to be a pain, just trying to understand the principle. Beyond what level of charity is one beyond reproach by Muslims, and Lord of the Muslims, Allaah? Is the issue of charity analogous to salaah? That one may be blamed for not praying fard, one may be blamed for not praying the sunnan (albeit to a lesser degree), but one may only be encouraged and not blamed to pray nawaafil? One may hate for himself leaving out nawaafil and tahajjud, but you cannot attack someone else for leaving it out completely ... Thoughts?

[nancywind]

That leads me to another question, for someone living in US, a India trip - to visit parents and other family members, for a family of 5-6 can cost $10,000+. So if this family goes to India every year will that be considered as Israaf as well? Since a brother indicated that going for nafl Hajj and Umrah can also be considered israaf.

Assume that this family has vonage and unlimited calls to India is part of the package, meaning that they have almost daily contact over the phone.

[MadMark]

This is just my personal opinion (and my own experience)

As long as the fard is being met, I think its your right how you spend the rest. It would be wise to read up on the Prophet (pbuh) and the sahabas to see how they spent their money and try to follow example suit. Buying extras and treating yourself is not a bad thing if done in moderation. Its when you become obsessed with something that it starts to take over and is never good .. this is not just about money but a general rule regarding almost every aspect of our lives.

[Cabinanteerip]

On the day of judgment we will be asked how we earnt our wealth and how we spent it.

There are poor muslims / non muslims starving surely on the day of judgment they will Go to Allah and say where were the rich and wealthy they didnt help me instead of feeding us he went brought a rolex for £8,000 (not that i ever will)

do you get my point...

i just wondered if any of the 4 imams of fiqh had a fatwa on excessive spending.

I think that in the above second post the OP has made even more clear what he is asking yet others appear not to have paid attention to it.

If I understand correctly, what the brother is saying is given that we will have to ACCOUNT for how we spent our wealth (as well as how we earned it) on the Day of Judgement, how wise would it be to spend a lot of excess wealth, after paying Zakah and such, one one's self for unnecessary pleasures? In other words, on Judgement Day, will one be asked why they spend $5000 on an unnecessary vacation while there were loads of starving people in Somalia, for instance? And is it reasonable to expect that if we answer, "I paid my Zakah and felt that that was enough and rather than spending this extra $5000 that I had as Sadaqah I felt the urge for a nice vacation" that that answer will be acceptable to Allah?

I think that the preceding is what the OP is getting at, though I could be wrong.

At any rate, he has asked an excellent question.

May Allah reward him for having such concern for Allah's pleasure.

[Goksiodiffeli]

As far as I know it has been equated to wasting and wasting is disliked by Allah Swt.

[Cabinanteerip]

ttt

[RobertLS]

I can never find proofs for this, if I have been blessed with wealth and i pay zakah and fulfil my fard. But i want to spend my money on buying designer handbags lavish holidays spednign thousands etc..

i wonder is there any such ruling on how you define what is lavish or extraveagent.. i know we will be asked how we spent our wealth on the Day or judgement.

I like to go to dubai with the family however its costs £5,000 for 1 week break I can afford it but is it haram?

Tafsir Qurtubi Surah 2, v 176 and It states regarding those with true
goodness... '... And who despite their love for it, give away their
wealth.'.

It states that this verse is used as evidence by those who say that
their are legal rights on wealth beyond zakat. Also quotes the hadith
of the Prophet S in Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah stating 'There is a right
on wealth over and above zakat'

Scholars agree that, when an urgent need for the Muslims exists after
payment of zakat, there is a communal obligation to spend money on it.
Imam Malik R obliged people to ransom captives, even if it used up all
their wealth. There is also consenus on this.

Source: Tafsir Qurtubi


Sufyan al-Thawri R said, “Live moderately (average) Beware of imitating (following) arrogant (people with pride) people. And in your food, drink, clothing, and means of conveyance (ride), seek (find) out that which is not specifically purchased by profligate (rich) and extravagant (israaf)u spenders. And when you seek out advice, let the people you go for advice be the people of piety (taqwa)– people who fear Allah (the Possessor of might and majesty) and who are trustworthy.”

Also, please read up on the issues of Extravagance (Israaf) and Spending on What is not a necessity (Ibzaar), both of them are sins.

Israaf' and 'Tabzeer' - Regarding Wasting




Israaf (spending excessively, beyond needs) aur Tabzeer (spending on
something outside of needs)

AsSalaamu Alaikum,
A
question was posed to Shaykh Bilal Ali Ansari (DB) by one of his
students regarding the issue of wasting, specifically in regards to
water. Although the topic and question may seem simplistic, it seems so
because many Muslims in the west due to abundance of resources
(alHamdulillah) do not even realize how much wasting occurs of various
resources Allah (SWT) has blessed us with. Through this Q & A, we
hope that Allah (SWT) grants us the ability to take heed of this matter
and act accordingly.

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Q: "...i had a question, and if you're not too busy, i would really
appreciate an answer.


It concerns water and what we were going over in class about wasting
it. when you decide to take a shower for comfort, not necessarily to
wash off any impurities, is it really considered wasting
it? i mean, when you are doing wudhu, and you let the water run and you
step out of the bathroom and let the water flow from the tap, that is a
waste of water because you are not using it and it is just draining
through without coming into contact with you. You are not deriving any
benefit from having the water flow, so thus, the water is being wasted. But
in the case of the shower...you are using the water. you are deriving
comfort from the warm or cold water coming onto your body...it may not
be the best use for the water, but you are still using it in a way
that is beneficial for you, so it can't be considered wasting,
can it? i mean, after all, why else have we been given these gifts of
life? to use it in for our good and to refrain from using in
negatively, it's all a test. And by using it negatively, we would be
wasting the water. but as i explained my position, or rather, my
doubts on what constitutes wasting, i see the flowing of shower water
onto you (when you are in active use of the water) as utilizing, not
wasting."


A: Another student was interested in knowing what other things, aside
from excessive use of water, is considered wasting in the shariah and
requested a list of things that one can do to avoid such wasting.

I
highly appreciate all of your questions, as they clearly indicate that
you are taking interest in the issues discussed in class. I would like
to make this answer as brief and as succinct as possible, so excuse me
for my brevity.

First of all, please understand that everything
that exists in this world is a gift from Allah. Allah ta'ala gives to
whomever He wills, but gives even more to those who are thankful for
what they are given.

Water, electricity, and even air are all
blessings from Allah. The companions, understanding this, would always
moisten their tongues with the zikr of Allah in thanks to Him for what
He has given all of us.

At the same time, understand that this
world is a testing ground and that true rewards will only be
distributed and handed out in the Akhirah. Therefore, everything that
is given to us in this world has a purpose and a place. And everything
also has its limits.

Allah does not want us necessarily to
suffer, especially when he has facilitated for us resources to avoid
discomfort. However, Allah has also commanded us not to waste, and says
in the Qur'an: "Indeed the wasteful are the brothers of the Shayateen".

The
companions, even when comforts and luxuries presented themselves to
them, avoided using more that what was needed. It is for this reason
that they prohibited washing each limb more than three times when not
necessary in wudu, even though water may be available. The same
principle applied to using water from a stream or river. They only used
what they needed and then moved on. Not because they couldn't, but
because that was all that they needed. Using more than that was
considered wasteful.

Now to the student's question. He asked, when one takes a shower for comfort...

First of all, the purpose of taking a shower is NOT comfort. It can be
for one of two reasons:

1. Purification
2. Cooling oneself off from excessive heat.

Both
of these reasons are necessities, though one is more important than the
other. The jurists state that once these purposes are accomplished,
whatever excess is used is considered wasteful.

Now look at the
Prophet's ghusl and then look at ours. The Prophet (sallallahu alaihe
wa sallam) never used more than a bucket full of water even for the
fardh bath. We use more than twenty to thirty times as much. In all
honesty, our requirements for cleaning, cooling, and even deriving
comfort from the bath can all be accomplished in less than five minutes
under the shower. Twenty-five to thirty minutes under the water is
ridiculously long.

So, the purpose of taking a shower is not to
derive comfort from it, but to clean oneself. The comfort factor is
solely a bonus.

Regardless, wasting in what is necessary and wasting
by spending on what is not necessary are different and the punishments
for both differ. Buying firecrackers for example, is called tabzeer
and is worse because there is absolutely no need to buy or use them.
Extravagant spending on a necessity, a wedding for example, however, is
also wasting, but is called israaf.
Marriage is necessary, but spending more than what is necessary on it
by renting out very expensive halls and ordering food for twice the
amoun of guests, is considered israaf.

Now, israaf is not as bad as tabzeer in relation to punishment, so wasting
water in the shower is not a major sin, but it does deprive one of
barakat and blessings in his life. And trust me, you definitely want to
have barakah in your spending. Here in the U.S., no matter how wealthy
you are, if you do not have barakah in your wealth, you may have a
million dollars but you will feel like a pauper. You will be paying off
your mortgage until you are fifty!

This email is getting long,
so I will continue this topic insha Allah at some later time. I didn't
organize my thougts as much as I would have liked, but I hope you get
the point.

Sincerely,
Bilal Ali Ansari