[Flalafuse]

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[Smittoh]

ok, so you dont have tv at your own house? & the pic of the lady in niqaab was it really necessary.

what is your problem with tv, is it being on tv or the garbage that is on tv.

[Flalafuse]

ok, so you dont have tv at your own house? & the pic of the lady in niqaab was it really necessary.

what is your problem with tv, is it being on tv or the garbage that is on tv.

Not going down the route any longer. Thread will be closed or something.

Mods delete this thread.

[Muhabsssa]

Admitting to watching Television will be like talking about ones sins in public. I dont think we here to judge anybody

[Smittoh]

Admitting to watching Television will be like talking about ones sins in public. I dont think we here to judge anybody

not judging, & Im not asking him to tell us that he does watch tv either. but is the issue with TV, being on tv or is it the haraam that is on tv. if you were to watch natural georaphic & all you saw were animal & there was a man voice telling you what going on-would that be haraam. because thats like reading a book looking at pictures & listening to the radio.

[Muhabsssa]

I’d like to believe that the debate has gone beyond these petty examples.

The same thing happens when people quote Sh Qardhawi allowing music. The debate in no way advocates going and listening to Elton John and Tupac.

Anyway, television is widespread in all muslim countries. What the Jamiat is saying, is that in those countries, senior ulama have appeared on television and this has lead them to look for a middle path in neither allowing nor condemning Ulama for appearing on television.

[Smittoh]

I’d like to believe that the debate has gone beyond these petty examples.

The same thing happens when people quote Sh Qardhawi allowing music. The debate in no way advocates going and listening to Elton John and Tupac.

Anyway, television is widespread in all muslim countries. What the Jamiat is saying, is that in those countries, senior ulama have appeared on television and this has lead them to look for a middle path in neither allowing nor condemning Ulama for appearing on television.

which shows a lack of strength in our ulama in SA, well not all just those who change their opinions when they see opinions expressed & practiced by ulama from other countries. tomorrow are they going to change their official opinion on beard because most of the Arab ulama do not hold the same view even the ahnaaf from the arabs shorten their beards. are they going to start allowing women into the masaajid because its done all over the world. then we will have duffs on radio islaam.
our ulama should stand on their own two feet & not need a crutch from outside to lean on. should our daleel now be well so & so is on tv so it must be halaal. look I got no problem with them being on tv because my sheikh is all over on the internet & tv. but the way views are changed with no real explaination & then the old views are just forgoten. we were fasiq all the years for taking photos, & that changed. we were fasiq for making videos in the masaajid & now thats changed. you doing the same dee yesterday, today & tomorrow but today you no longer a fasiq because this maulana is also on videos.

[Info-phone]

which shows a lack of strength in our ulama in SA, well not all just those who change their opinions when they see opinions expressed & practiced by ulama from other countries. tomorrow are they going to change their official opinion on beard because most of the Arab ulama do not hold the same view even the ahnaaf from the arabs shorten their beards. are they going to start allowing women into the masaajid because its done all over the world. then we will have duffs on radio islaam.
our ulama should stand on their own two feet & not need a crutch from outside to lean on. should our daleel now be well so & so is on tv so it must be halaal. look I got no problem with them being on tv because my sheikh is all over on the internet & tv. but the way views are changed with no real explaination & then the old views are just forgoten. we were fasiq all the years for taking photos, & that changed. we were fasiq for making videos in the masaajid & now thats changed. you doing the same dee yesterday, today & tomorrow but today you no longer a fasiq because this maulana is also on videos.

You're preaching to the choir as far as I'm concerned.

[loyalgagora]

You're preaching to the choir as far as I'm concerned.

NO.He is actually correct n factual in the latter part of his post.whilst i disagree with his other 2 posts,he is quite correct in that post,n relates things as they r unfolding.n bro saslams,by watching tv,that does not affect the status of permissibility with regards islamic television stations n videos in the masajid e.t.c.......btw,saslams,did u c the other thread on itv? the op had a letter from Mufti Ayyub Jeena,whose father is Moulana Abbas Jeena's brother......n what u state was xactly Mufti A.K's outcry on the radio the other day-he stated to the effect that 'the fatwa from india means nothing to us' n the reasoning given for this new station was a fatwa from india.Mufti A.K. was clear that this fatwa was imported from india because there was not a single Mufti in S.A. willing to support this idea....n the same thing happened with mmb e.t.c.....fatwas r being imported from india(fiqh academy) wholesale because south african senior mufti's r not jumping high enough...ur n mospikes observations on the other thread were spot on,re takin pics in masajid e.t.c. but u should understand that u can't paint all ulema from the north with the same brush.infact,i doubt u'll be able 2 take pics in the masjid,not just yet,but then again these days anything can happen...
also, i can't understand why ppl always ask whether u watch tv,if u believe it's haraam or if u against this itv idea.coz if everybody doesn't carry out what they believe is haraam at any point in time,then they would seize 2 b human-perhaps malaikah.it's like if a person professes that zina is haram,than u get a guy that asks-so u've never commited zina of the eyes? what's the point of the question?

Azhar Vadi – Cii News – June 21, 2012

Difference of opinion amongst the South African Ulama on the appearance of religious scholars on television stations has prompted the Jamiatul Ulama South Africa based in Johannesburg to issue a press release clarifying their position.

The full statement issued in the name of the President of the organisation , Moulana Abbas Ali Jeena, reads:

“The Jamiatul Ulama South Africa is acutely aware of the impact of media on society. It is equally conscious of the overwhelming harms of the different forms of electronic media in general, and television in particular.

“The pervasive impact of the media, has prompted some Ulama to appear on television with a view to protect the Imaan of the unwary masses. Jamiatul Ulama South Africa however does neither promote nor condemn the appearance of Ulama on television in their individual capacity as a means of combating widespread misinformation and propaganda against Islam.

“The Jamiat’s position must not be interpreted as an endorsement of television itself, but rather as the outcome of divergent views of our senior Ulama who had deliberated on the matter. A synopsis of these deliberations of our senior Ulama is available from the Jamiat’s Offices.”

The statement follows the appearance of senior South African Ulama in their individual capacity, despite being aligned to the Jamiatul Ulama South Africa, on the newly launched television broadcaster, ITV.

The television, as a medium, has since its inception been shunned as a source of vice with Ulama and religious scholars in South Africa discouraging people from watching it. The sudden appearance of some scholars on the station prompted a sharp response from those who have held on to the traditional view of ostracising the medium.

Mufti Abdool Kader Hoosen, during his Q and A programme aired live on Cii on Monday this week, categorically opposed the view that Ulama should become television presenters.
“The Ulama appearing on the TV should ask themselves, have they not disappointed their teachers?” he said. “There is not a single senior mufti or alim (scholar) in South Africa that has said it is permissible. They try and give you some fatwa (ruling) from India. All this means nothing for us. We have thousands of Ulama here in South Africa. We have many senior muftis here. How come not one has said it is permissible?”
He went on to enumerate: “To me, it is also a disservice to the organisations they are serving. Hassan Basri (RA) was asked; what is the punishment for the Ulama? He said when the Ulama search for the glory of the world and their action outwardly seems for the hereafter. They will tell you that they are doing it for propagation and if they don’t do it others will. So you cannot prevent anybody (from appearing on tv). But why should you. It’s like one person steals and so you want to steal. That analogy has no common sense in it. We make dua Allah give them and us guidance. So we totally distance ourselves from those Ulama and we say you are doing Islam and the Muslims a great disservice and disgracing yourself in the process.”

His view was also supported the Majlisul Ulema based in Port Elizabeth. In a statement published on 11 May 2012, the article called on senior Ulama, junior Ulama and the ordinary members of the Muslim public to protest against the decision of Ulama to appear on TV.

Secretary-General of the Jamiatul Ulama South Africa, Moulana Ebrahim Bham, speaking to Sabahul Khair on Thursday morning said: “There is no doubt that the Ulama have had divergent views on the matter. The Jamiatul Ulama has an article in which the Islamic Fiqh Academy and the Jamiatul Ulama Hind (India) had gathered the Ulama of India to debate and discuss this issue. There were prominent Ulama who gave their views on both sides of the spectrum. Some said don’t legitmise the medium because there are harmful aspects on the medium. Some said given the pervasive impact, under certain circumstances, it should be allowed for people to explain the true views of Islam on this medium otherwise it will be open to other people who would use it to distort the message of Islam.”

Moulana Bham was very strong in emphasising that the Jamiatul Ulama South Africa is not legitimising a ‘free for all’ scenario that would allow everyone to get on to television. “Given the fact that there are divergent views, the Jamiatul Ulama has not taken the view to promote it. Keeping in mind that we are not saying it is carte blanche to go and promote (television) and everyone must go on. But at the same time we are not going to condemn those, who keeping in mind the pervasive impact, keeping in mind that it could be used for wrong, it could be used to distort Islam, the enemies of Islam are using this medium and they are getting across to many people, we are not going to condemn those Ulama who are going to use this medium to propagate the correct picture.”
was salam

[8cyVn4RJ]

Assalamu alaikum


I was also wondering the same thing.

Are the members who are against the Islamic TV Stations against
1) the view that video is permissible,
or 2) the fact that the program is made for and broadcasted on TV, which is full of haram programs

[loyalgagora]

Assalamu alaikum


I was also wondering the same thing.

Are the members who are against the Islamic TV Stations against
1) the view that video is permissible,
or 2) the fact that the program is made for and broadcasted on TV, which is full of haram programs

personally,both.the first is not good.but the second coupled with the first is aggrevating.

was salam

[Frogzlovzy]

Salam

I found this lecture on the topic particularly enlightening:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vrjRTiRCMw