[Jimambol]

If the modern world financially implodes, the money deposited in the banks becomes worth zero over night, you cannot take it out even if you wanted to, and people are forced to loot and steal food...in cities where hundreds of thousands of people live....what would the Muslims do? Would they join in or would they be living under an Amir, and would they be living by the laws of the shariah?

I think presently the conditions of the Muslims who live in cities in the west is such that they would not obey the shariah, they have no Amir and they are dependent on the institutions (money, banks, welfare, food, shops etc.) of the Democratic State. We should be building our own institutions so that if this did happen we would all stick together and live by the Shariah in peace and security. We need leaders who will stand up to the job.

[9V4i8xw1]

this is very true, most Muslim in the West are far from Islam, that said I guess TJ members would be liable to stick together out of habit, as would the Salafi groups and the members of the more numerous tareeqas who have Sheikhs to guide them etc.

At the end of the day we need more big middle ground Sheikhs in the West who people can unite around in the current situation or other ones and we need to produce our own alternative services like MB has done in Egypt etc.

[Jimambol]

this is very true, most Muslim in the West are far from Islam, that said I guess TJ members would be liable to stick together out of habit, as would the Salafi groups and the members of the more numerous tareeqas who have Sheikhs to guide them etc.

At the end of the day we need more big middle ground Sheikhs in the West who people can unite around in the current situation or other ones and we need to produce our own alternative services like MB has done in Egypt etc.

The Ikhwani Muslimeen will take Muslims into disaster. They approve of Islamic banks. They will never impliment Shariah even if they wanted to, and they do not want to. Trying to bring Islam via Democratic politics is a recipe for failure. We shall see that their policies are socialist, nationalist and keynsian economics...all given a muslim name and label.

[9V4i8xw1]

The Ikhwani Muslimeen will take Muslims into disaster. They approve of Islamic banks. They will never impliment Shariah even if they wanted to, and they do not want to. Trying to bring Islam via Democratic politics is a recipe for failure. We shall see that their policies are socialist, nationalist and keynsian economics...all given a muslim name and label.

lol I don't exactly see things as they do in every area but I like them and I think InshaAllah you will see they are better than you imagine they are now. Muslims have been in disaster for rather a long time now, if they come to power in Muslim countries the Ikhwan will have to make a pretty bad job of things to make them any worse than they have been under the corrupt secularists.

as for saying that they don't want to implement Shariah this is not correct, this has always been their goal.

also for information...

"To achieve the Ikhwan’s goals, al-Banna called for a gradualistic approach in which the desired reform could be attained through three stages.

First is the stage of communication and propagation, aimed at exposing the Egyptian society to the true Islamic principles.

Second is the stage of mobilization and organization in which the movement would select and train its active members.

Finally comes the stage of executing and implementing the Islamic rules and principles in which a society is completely transformed into an Islamic one.
http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=17065

they are just very patient brother, because the patient cat catches the mouse and the impatient one bites dust.

[Jimambol]

Maybe you are right.

[QUOTE]The fact that qualified seasoned ed imams advise are not heeded speaks the volume.[/QUOTE

However the above quote is wrong because the imams fail exactly because they have no authority. An Amir who gives authority to a mufti to sign death warrants and chop off hands of criminals would be followed they whole dynamic would be different, people would know that it is important to live by the Shariah for their own protection.

Bismillah
I think br. Abu Zakir is living in an alternate universe where muslims are actually bothered!! They are not!! Just like the rest, most of us are concerned how to get by. Talking about Amir doesn't make sense because both religious and non religious are averse to having a figure head. The fact that qualified seasoned ed imams advise are not heeded speaks the volume. I for one with the exception of murabatun, the rest will simply disappear. Sorry to burst the bubble!! Reality stinks so is our immature community. I for one do not have much hope for the western muslim community suffering from gratification culture. they are averse to Juhud!!
Allahualam

[Jimambol]

as for saying that they don't want to implement Shariah this is not correct, this has always been their goal.



http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=17065

they are just very patient brother, because the patient cat catches the mouse and the impatient one bites dust.

The disasters we have had are because of the modernists like the Ikwanis. And they say they will eventually bring the Shariah, but it will be impossible through the means they have adopted, already they are making concessions, promoting Democracies, making Islamic Banks halal...they cannot in the future make them haraam, even if they wanted to, they would not be able to, because having banks supply the money to your economy makes everyone dependent on them, you cannot just stop, you need a halal alternative in place first, this they do not have...they are modernists meaning they want a modern State like America or Britain exactly the same, except here we have people dressed Islamically and using Islamic words...but their whole polity is like the kufar. It is an attempted reformation of Islam.

[9V4i8xw1]

The disasters we have had are because of the modernists like the Ikwanis. And they say they will eventually bring the Shariah, but it will be impossible through the means they have adopted, already they are making concessions, promoting Democracies, making Islamic Banks halal...they cannot in the future make them haraam, even if they wanted to, they would not be able to, because having banks supply the money to your economy makes everyone dependent on them, you cannot just stop, you need a halal alternative in place first, this they do not have...they are modernists meaning they want a modern State like America or Britain exactly the same, except here we have people dressed Islamically and using Islamic words...but their whole polity is like the kufar. It is an attempted reformation of Islam.

I hope that they are a little better than this brother, InshaAllah the passage of time will show us, and then we will know one way or the other.