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Old 11-20-2010, 08:39 PM   #21
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Salam alaykum brother Shaykh.
I did not understand why you have copied my post again?
Any reason?

the format is a bit hard to read, what do you think?, if you prefer the original i will delete my post or if you like the format which i have used then you can re do your post or edit where you deem neccesary, let me know either way, inshallah
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Old 11-20-2010, 08:43 PM   #22
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........rather we will not be able to establish a reformative relationship with this work (Tabligh). Maulwi Ilyas(ra) sahab used to say, "This work is Wali producing....it(by itself) can turn people into Walis". If one does not have (absolute) certitude of success, spiritual reformation, guidance and forward progress with the work......then the work will be taken lightly and discarded........which is why my respected brothers, friends and elders......what we need most is belief in the work and full understanding so that we develop firmness and fortitude (istiqama) in this work.....if one does not believe in it...then he will take it lightly and leave it....and moreover the work will be considered as ineffective and abandoned.... because the effectiveness (ta'seer) ....the effectiveness of this work is dependent upon the sacrifices that are made for it......if the sacrifices and demands of this work remain unfulfilled...then the effects of the work will not stand forth....that's why my respected friends, elders and brothers....first of all we must ask Allah for clear knowledge & full understanding (Baseerat)....so that Allah gives us belief (yaqin) and knowledge.......for one's firmness in this work will depend upon his Baseerat (understanding)...and depending upon his fortitude and firmness will Allah accept him.....

4 points are important for us.........I would like to say 4 things.....1)Belief and knowledge in the work(yaqin and baseera).....2)unity(ijtimaaiyat) regarding the work.....3) Perfection and comprehensiveness (Jaami’iyyat) in carrying out the work…4) Sifat-e-qubuliyyat….qualities which make one acceptable to Allah….making oneself acceptable to Allah(for the work of Da’wa) with one’s good qualities.

So the first thing is this …remember that the Anbiya (asws) used to call with full understanding & knowledge (Baseerat) …..whatever trials, whatever obstacles were placed by their people…(such as) refusal to accept their da’wa….whatever came in their way was unable to stop them….they used to complete their work…because they were absolutely convinced that their success lay in what they were doing.

So my respected friends, elders and brothers, the secret of remaining firm in this work (Da’wa) is that we do this for our own selves, that we understand what Da’wa is, what are the effects of Da’wa, why it is given and for whom it is given. Look! Da’wa is actually for the Daa’ii himself. In the quest for correcting (islah) others, let us never forget ourselves. Let it not happen that we seek to correct others and become careless of our own (spiritual needs)…for remember that Da’wa is for the Daa’ii himself. Hadrat (rah) used to say, “Do this work for (the correction of) your own self. He who does it for himself (considering himself muhtaj) will become Saleh (pious). And Allah Rabb al ‘Izzat, will use him for the correction of the Ummah”.

That is why inviting to good and stopping from evil is actually for our selves. We used to do this work in the beginning for our own selves, later on we were moved as per the needs of the people. This way of thinking (that we were doing something for others) made us forget ourselves (i.e. the older members), it made us forget that our talking and our working and all our efforts were all for our own selves (in actuality).

The second thing…is that we believe with our hearts that this work is enough for our self reformation and self correction….Allah forbid if we do not hold this belief in our hearts then our relationship to this work will no longer remain corrective…
So the effort and the moving around, its spirit is Da’wa…Maulwi Ilyas(rah) used to say that this is just the skeleton of the work, its soul is Da’wa……the entire thing is a framework…whether the effort or the worship..it is a skeleton and it will come to life through da’wa..otherwise this work…this work[effort] is like a body…..the entire benefits(ifaadiyaat) of this body….its moving around…all its achievements(manfa'at)…… are dependent upon its soul..hence we need to believe in it.

The Qur’an has sworn that humanity is in loss and cannot come out of this loss without da’wa (repeated twice). Those people will be saved from loss ….they will achieve salvation….who have 4 things in them….Faith, good deeds, inviting others towards faith and good deeds..(repeated)….inviting others towards good and stopping them from evil. Inviting towards faith and good deeds..this is also a condition for salvation like faith and good deeds themselves.

The ‘Ulama have written that these are the four conditions for salvation (najaat). Faith (Iman), good deeds (amal al Saleh), Tawasee bi’l Haqq (calling towards Haqq), tawasee bi’s sabr (calling towards patience). If even one is left out, then (all) the conditions for salvation will not be met. Hence workers must believe that this Ummah cannot come out of its state of loss without the work of Da’wa.

The second thing is this; Something that was seen in the times of all Prophets (asws) was that when that (particular) Nabi passed on, then the work of da’wa went and then the Din went. When the Messenger came, Da’wa came and Din came. So in every era and time, the Din remained dependent upon Da’wa. This is the end result of every era. When the Nabi went, Da’wa went and finally the Din went. And today also, all the evil in the world, all the innovations in Din and all the evils and carelessness..(that we see around us)…..there is no way that the Muslim Nation can come out of it or escape it except through Da’wa.

My friends, elders and brothers, I am saying this because the method and way of working is becoming (seemingly) more important while Da’wa (itself), its truth(and depth), its need and belief in it…all this is becoming weaker….our workers need to have belief in it so that firmness in the work is per faith and belief and as per one’s firmness (in the work) will the demands of this work be fulfilled.

So the first thing is that we have belief in this work……the other thing my friends and elders is that there be unity and single-mindedness in us…what does Ijtimaayiyat mean? It refers to the union of (our) hearts……The Jama’h is not a collection of bodies/people…a mass of people is a crowd(repeated) …and unity of hearts is known as ijtimaayiyat. If two men are offering Salah (namaz) in Jam’ah..then it will be said that this is a Jam’ah….prayer in Jama’h is taking place…If there is an ameer and a Jama’h is with him, then it will be called a Jama’h…..because they are on faithful obedience(ita’at)…the follower(muqtadi) follows the Imam(repeated) and the Jama’h follows the amir..so it will be said that it is a jam’ah….(however) if there is no union of hearts then it will be a crowd.

My respected friends, this unity of hearts has conditions (behind it). The Qur’an has given four reasons for unity….the first reason and condition is that there be gentleness(and softness) in the workers(of Din)…this is the first reason….because the principles of this work are not Laws. Excessiveness(and intolerance) raises its head when people consider the principles of the work to be Laws….so that (they think) that this Law was passed or this Law was decided….which is why I have said that no principle with us is a Law….its a principle,,,and principles are for whom? Principles are for those who obey faithfully…and laws are for those who disobey …(repeated)….so Laws are for those who do not listen and Principles are for those who faithfully obey.

Which is why Governments pass Laws and Prophethood(Nubuwwat) has Principles(repeated)……Principles(Guidelines) for Da’wa and Laws for Government…he who goes against the Law is punished….(but) there is no punishment for one who contravenes our guidelines(principles)…(you can’t say) ask him why he went against the Principles…there is (simply) no such concept with us…because all our principles and guidelines are just principles which are for faithful obedience(ita'at=to listen and obey) and (this) obedience is (achieved) by encouragement(targheeb)…that they be encouraged towards working rightly….that’s all….no one has a greater right than this…. Because the Da’ii is responsible for reminding…And remind, for indeed, the reminder benefits the believers” Sura Ad Dhariyaat v.55….that remind them of the right thing…so the Da’ii is responsible for reminding what the principles and guidelines are…..that’s it..

which is why my dear friends and elders…the principles(all) of this work are not Laws because (breaking) Laws entails punishment…which is why we have a discussion and reminding of principles here not a listing of mistakes…there is no punishment….because those who do this work are humans…..not angels….and our workers will make mistakes and break principles..they are human and the human is intrinsically prone to error…. In the hadith it is mentioned that all of you are sinners…no one is free of error…….small or large…different….but all are sinners…. So the fact is that one sees the mistakes of others when his eyes are upon his own achievements and qualities (repeated)….then his eyes will definitely chance upon the faults of others….and he who keeps looking at his own weaknesses…he will never look at the faults of others…he will never bother with thinking evil about others….or their faults…...because what he sees in others…he has already glimpsed in himself….and this has lead to a sense of worry and sorrow regarding his own self in his heart…

Hadrat ‘Umar saw an old man drinking alcohol….so he came out of that place weeping…the incident is detailed….the reason that he was crying was his own mistake of entering and searching for the old man’s fault in his house…he was not crying because his people were drinking..rather his crying was (what) if Allah did not forgive ‘Umar…so he was crying for his sin.(to be continued)
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Old 11-20-2010, 08:44 PM   #23
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Is this ok, bro?
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Old 11-20-2010, 08:45 PM   #24
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It looks more refined now....word up.
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Old 11-20-2010, 08:49 PM   #25
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h'mm it's shaping up nicely ... i will delete that last post of mine now.
I color coded the parts because after reading the individual bits
i had to locate them in the final version by sifting through the text.

so when is the next episode coming ?

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Old 11-20-2010, 08:52 PM   #26
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h'mm it's shaping up nicely ... i will delete that last post of mine now.
I color coded the parts because after reading the individual bits
i had to locate them in the final version by sifting through the text.

so when is the next episode coming ?

Tomorrow, Inshallah.
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Old 11-20-2010, 09:21 PM   #27
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Old 11-21-2010, 02:59 AM   #28
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btw i really liked the suggestion by brother pluto(?) on the other thread
that we should have this thread as a focal point for something like
"work of dawat-e-tabligh according to the Elders" contianing the
translated versions of speeches form the elders; instead of jumping
on threads and argunig with others, everybody can have it striaght form ..
elders mouth. simple !

It will be great for newbies like me to correctly understand the depth of
the work from the source itself.

So what do the brother here think ?
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Old 11-21-2010, 03:04 AM   #29
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btw i really liked the suggestion by brother pluto(?) on the other thread
that we should have this thread as a focal point for something like
"work of dawat-e-tabligh according to the Elders" contianing the
translated versions of speeches form the elders; instead of jumping
on threads and argunig with others, everybody can have it striaght form ..
elders mouth. simple !

It will be great for newbies like me to correctly understand the depth of
the work from the source itself.

So what do the brother here think ?
Good idea. After finishing with this translation we will make mashwara and then decide, Inshallah. WS.
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Old 11-21-2010, 04:15 AM   #30
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Brother Abu tamim,
Mashallah a great initiative of translating the bayanaat of our Akabir.
Later you may also translate malfuzat of hazrat maulana Ilyas sahab, maulana yusuf sahab etc.
Are u from mumbai or hyderabad? If from mumbai then which is ur markaz?.

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Old 11-21-2010, 01:43 PM   #31
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Brother Abu tamim,
Mashallah a great initiative of translating the bayanaat of our Akabir.
Later you may also translate malfuzat of hazrat maulana Ilyas sahab, maulana yusuf sahab etc.
Are u from mumbai or hyderabad? If from mumbai then which is ur markaz?.

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akhi. Jazakallah khayr.
I am from Bombay. My Markaz is Khar. WS.
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Old 11-21-2010, 02:40 PM   #32
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Salam 'alaykum
No. I don't know. If I could get some more details of which mosque/area this particular Arif bhai joins then I could trace him through the saathis. Arif is a particularly common name in India.
Are u referring to bhai Arif solanki. He belongs to khar markaz masjid.
He has spent some of his time in dubai markaz also.


By the way I am affiliated with jamat-e-jamoria masjid. I stay near Maulana Yunus sahab bandrawale.
Tamim bhai which is ur masjid?
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Old 11-21-2010, 03:04 PM   #33
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Are u referring to bhai Arif solanki. He belongs to khar markaz masjid.
He has spent some of his time in dubai markaz also.


By the way I am affiliated with jamat-e-jamoria masjid. I stay near Maulana Yunus sahab bandrawale.
Tamim bhai which is ur masjid?
He he..main tumse itna qareeb hun ke tumhein yaqeen nahin hoga..... . Now JJ has become a colony. I remember when our "rukh" was Jam'at-e-Jamhuriya some years back it was just a slum. Mashallah the work is very, very strong with you. May Allah bless you. And Mawlana Yunus mashallah. Aap to buzurgon ki god mein baithe hain hadrat. Aur hum Bida' aur Shirk se ghire huwe hain.
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Old 11-21-2010, 03:49 PM   #34
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He he..main tumse itna qareeb hun ke tumhein yaqeen nahin hoga..... . Now JJ has become a colony. I remember when our "rukh" was Jam'at-e-Jamhuriya some years back it was just a slum. Mashallah the work is very, very strong with you. May Allah bless you. And Mawlana Yunus mashallah. Aap to buzurgon ki god mein baithe hain hadrat. Aur hum Bida' aur Shirk se ghire huwe hain.
Bhaijan,
Alhamdulliah, I am blessed by Allah ta'ala for getiing affiliated with JJ colony masjid. Mashallah arround 100+ brothers are attending masjid-war-jamate.

Tamim bhai u r from masjid. I think Marol, Andheri..

Bythe way let's not divert our attention from the noble task undertaken by u and other brothers of trnslating bayan of elders.

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Old 11-21-2010, 06:21 PM   #35
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Is liye mere muhtaram doston, bhaiyyon, ijtimaiyyat ka ye pehla sabab hai..ke ijtimaiyyat ka ye pehla sabab hai ke be-usuli karne walon ki hamare yahan pakad nahi hai…hamare yahan koi adalat nahin hai ki inki shikayat karo…bilkul nahi..ke hamara shikayat ka koi khana nahin hai..hamare yahan to sabr ka khana hai..sabr…shikayat nahi hai..ke beusuli karne wale ki shikayat ki jawe..iska hamare yahan koi khana nahin hai…balke jab saathiyon se beusuliyan hon to hamein kya karna chahiye?…ke Nabi ko iska tareeqa bataya gaya..ke Nabiji jo kaam ke saath beusuliyan karen…aap inke liye istighfar karein…..is liye ke istighfar ye to khud tarbiyat ka zariya hai..ke sab se badi tarbiyat karne wali zaat Allah ki hai…ke apni be-usuli, apne beusuuli karne wali saathi ko Allah ke hawale kardo…ke Allah tu tarbiyat karne wala hai anbiya ki, sahaba ki…iski bhi tarbiyat karde, hamari bhi tarbiyat kar de..ye hai rasta…is liye Nabi ko hukm mila iska…ke Nabiji aap inke liye istaghfar kijiye…to hamare yahan shikayat ka koi khana nahi hai..ek sahib ne Ml Yusuf(ra) se ek aadmi ke bare mein baat ki ...zuhr se lekar asr tak…pura waqt liya….saari baatein sahih..hazrat is ne ye kiya, ye kiya, ye kiya….to hazrat ne saari suni…zuhr se asr tak..jab asr ki namaz ke liye uthe to hazrat ne farmaya us shikayat karne wale se….bhai main bura hun, agar main acchha hota to mere saathi bhi acche hote..jaise main hun waise mere saathi hain..saari uski baatein sahih thi…saari baatein sahih…farmaya ke main bura hun..agar main acchha hota to mere saathi bhi acche hote…ye baat farmaayi ..to shikayat karne wale ne aainda shikayat ki tawba karli ke yahan shikayat karne ki gunjaaish nahin hai..is liye ke mere doston..ek hadith mein aaya hai…Huzur akram(saws) ne farmaya ke mere paas koi mere kisi saathi ki shikayat na le kar aawe. Main ye chahta hun ke jab main tumhare saamne niklun to mere seena tum sab ki taraf se saaf ho..is liye ke saathiyon se kaam lene ke liye saathiyon pe aitemaad bhi zururi hai..shikayatein aitemaad khatm kar deti hain(repeated), ke jab aitemaad uth jayega to phir ye saathi zaaya ho jayega, isliye ke kaam to aitemaad se liya jawega…kaam liya jayega aitemaad se ….ke jin par aitemad hoga unse kaam liya jaega…ke jab aitemad nahi hoga to aitemad ke baghair to dukan ke mulazim se kaam nahin le sakte..itna bada Din ka kaam jisko Allah ne amaanat kaha hai..ke Din amanat hai..Deen ki mehnat amanat hai…ye kaam bina aitemad ke kaise ho sakta hai?…..is liye mere muhtaram doston, buzurgon hamare yahan shikayat ke koi khana nahin hai..balke hukm hai ke Nabiji jo aziyyat ye aapko dein to aap is par sabr kijiye aur darguzar kijiye aur jo be-usuli ye kaam ke saath karein aap inke liye istaghfar kijiye..ijtimaiyyat ke ye 2 asbaab hain..ke ik tabiyat ke andar narmi ka hona..tabiyyaton ka naram hona…aur dusri baat ye hai…ke tabiyaton ke andar darguzar karna ho..ke inko m`aaf kardo….Huzur aqdas(saws) ke wo wa`qiat bayan karo jisme aap(saws) ne sakht aziyyat ke baawajud, uske badle mein ehsan kiya aur darguzar kar diya..is liye baar baar arz karte hain ke Hayat us Sahaba padhna chahiye…taki hamara mizaj is kam ke karne ke saath daa`iyyana bane..daa`iyaana mizaj chahiye…daa`iiyyana mizaj ye sahaba ka mizaj hai aur nabiyyon ka mizaaj daa`iyyana hota hai…warna is kaam ko taajirana mizaj se karenge ya haakimana mizaaj se karenge…hakim ka ek mizaj hai..tajir ka ek mizaj hai….is kam mein to daa`iyyana mizaj chahiye..ye kaam kisi mizaj se nahi chalega..na hakimaana mizaj se..na taajiraana mizaj se…na siyaasat ke mizaj se…is liye ke ye kaam ikhlas ka hai aur mukhlis ka zehan bahut saadha hota hai…ke mukhlis to saada zehan hota hai..chaalakiyan aur shiaariyaan wo nahin jaanta….mukhlis...ye saada hota hai..bewaquf nahi hota….is liye mere muhtaram doston, buzurgon is kaam ki jo buniyad hai wo kyun ki ikhlas par hai isliye wo saada zehan pe chalega…aur nabi ke ..se chalega..nabi ke mizaj se…ke is kam mein nabi ka mizaj ye hai…ke jo aapko aziyyat dein aap darguzar karein aur jo beusuali wo is kam ke saath karein..ap inke liye dua karein…istaghfar karein…. Ye do asbaab bataye hai ijtimaaiyyat ke..ek narmi ka hona, ek darguzar ka hona…..aur teesra sabab inke liye dua aur istaghfar …..aur chautha sabab…ijtimaaiyyat ka...... ke chautha sabab ijtimaaiyyat ka wo mashwara hai….wo kya hai? ….mashwara..
Allah ne is mashware ko Quran mein namaz ke saath bayan kiya hai…..mashware ko bayan kiya Quran mein namaz ke saath….Wa’ l ladheenas tajaabu li rabbihim wa aqaamus salaata wa ‘amru hum shura’a bayna hum…(Al Shura’ v.38) (Those who hearken to their Lord, and establish regular Prayer; who (conduct) their affairs by mutual Consultation; part of v 38)….ki yahan mashware ko bayan kiya namaz ke saath, ke jo ehmiyyat namaz pe jama hone ke liye hai..wohi ehmiyyat mashware ke liye jama hone ke liye hai..jo ehmiyyat…ye ummat ibadat mein jama hogi namaz par aur dawat mein jama hogi mashware par…ye iski ehmiyyat ke liye kaafi hai…ke yahan is aayat mein zakat ka, hajj ka, roze ka..kisi fareeza ka tazkira nahin hai..namaz aur namaz ke saath mashwara…is se ye batlaya ke namaz ki jo ehmiyyat hai jama hone ke aitebaar se…wo ehmiyyat mashware ki hai..ke mashwara namaz ki tarah ijti amal hai,,,ki tum is mashware ko ijti banao….to kaise ijti banaawein..ki mashware ko do aitebaar se ijti banai..ek to is aitebaar se ke apne taqaze daba daba kar mashware mein jama hon..is liye ke jo aadmi apne kise taqaze ko daba kar mashware mein aaya hai..usne mashware ka mujahida kiya hai…Allah ri mashware ke umur uske dil par khol denge uski qurbani ki wajah se…Ml Ilyas sb. farmate they …ke Allah ne mehnat par rasta nahin balke bahut se raaste kholne ka wada kiya hai…wal lazeena jaahadu feena lanah-diyannahum subulana..
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That is why my respected friends and elders, this is the first condition and reason for unity(of hearts).....that the first reason for unity is that there is no punishment for those who break the principles(of this work)....there is no COURT here where you file a complaint against people......ABSOLUTELY NOT....and we have no COMPLAINTS SECTION...........rather what we have is a SECTION OF PATIENCE........ patience......not complaints.....that (people) complain against those who go against principles..we have no such section....rather what should we do when our workers make mistakes and break principles?

The Prophet(saws) was shown what to do(in such a case)...that O Nabi(saws) ...those who make mistakes.....seek forgiveness for them........because seeking forgiveness(istaghfar) in itself is a way of training and reformation(tarbiyya).....that the Best of trainers and the Highest of those who reform is Allah...so that our mistakes...and our mistaken workers....hand them over to Allah...(saying) that Allah you are the one who trained the Messengers(asws) and the Companions(raa).........reform(improve) this worker and reform us too..........this is the (right) way....that is why the Prophet(saws) was ordered to do this...that O Messenger, seek forgiveness for them...so we have no section for complaints.

A certain gentleman spoke to Hadrat Mawlana Yusuf(rah) about another worker from Zuhr till Asr. He took the entire time(between the two prayers) ...everything (all his complaints) he said was true....Hadrat he(so-and-so) did this, he did that, he did this......Hadrat listened to everything from Dhuhr till 'Asr...when he (finally) got up for 'Asr, Hadrat(rah) said to the complainant........Brother, I (myself) am worthless(bad)...if I had been good, then my co-workers would also have been good...my co-workers are just like me..all that the complainant had said was true...everything was true....(but) it was said (to him) that I(Ml Yusuf) am bad ..if I had been good then my colleagues(in this work) would have been good...this was said.

..so the plaintiff swore off from (ever) complaining(about an individual) again...(seeing) that there is no room here for complaints....because my friends it has come in a Hadeeth...Hudhur Akram(saws) said, "Let none of you come to me with a complaint regarding one of my Companions. I wish that when I come out to you my heart be clean for all of you." Because to take work from our workers, we need to have trust and full faith in them...complaints destroy this trust(repeated)...and when this trust is lost, then the worker (himself) will also be lost(soon)...because the work can only be taken on the basis of trust...work is dependent upon faith...that the work will be entrusted to those who are seen as trustworthy...and when there is no faith.....then you can't even take work from a shop employee....(what to say of) such an important task which Allah has mentioned as a trust, ..that this Din is a trust(amana), the work of this Din(tabligh) is (also) a trust...how will this work be perfected without faith(in the worker)?...

That is why my respected friends and elders we have no complaints section...rather there is this command..."O Prophet(saws)..Be patient and forgive all the pain and trouble that they cause you ...and whatever mistakes they make, seek forgiveness for them. These two are reasons for unity(ijtimaaiyyat)...that there be gentleness(and softness) in our natures(and behaviour) and the second thing is that there be forgiveness in our natures...that (we) forgive them....Narrate incidents from the life of the Prophet(saws) where despite the extreme pain and hurt caused to him(saws) he returned it with (that which was much) better and (also) forgave them...which is why it is said again and again to read "HAYAT AL SAHABA" so that our mindset with this work becomes da'ii-like(da'iiyyana)...we need a Da'ii's temperament...this was the temperament and mindset of the Sahaba(raa) and the Anbiya(as).

..otherwise we (will try) to do this work with a trader's mindset or the mindset of a ruler...a ruler has a certain temperament...a trader has a certain temperament...but this work needs a Da'iis mindset. This work will not be done(successfully) with any other mindset...neither with that of a ruler nor a trader...nor with politics......because this work demands sincerity and the sincere clean hearted person(mukhlis) has a very straightforward and simple way of thinking.....his mind is very simple. he does not know cunning and he does not know about conspiring.......(but) he is not a fool...that's why my respected friends and elders because the foundation of this work is sincerity that is why he will think simply and in a straight forward fashion...and he will follow the disposition of the Prophet(saws)...and the disposition and nature of Nabi(saws) in this work is to forgive those who hurt him and cause trouble(to him) and to supplicate and seek forgiveness for those who make mistakes in this work.

So these are two of the reasons(and preconditions) for unity ...one is gentleness and the other is forgiveness.....the third is to supplicate and to seek forgiveness from Allah.......and the fourth.....the fourth condition for unity is mutual consultation(mashwara) .....what is it? (it is) mashwara...Allah has mentioned mutual consultation along with prayer in the Qur`an..(so) consultation is mentioned in the Qur'an alongwith namaz....."Wa’ l ladheenas tajaabu li rabbihim wa aqaamus salaata wa ‘amru hum shura’a bayna hum…(Al Shura’ v.38) TR: Those who hearken to their Lord, and establish regular Prayer; who (conduct) their affairs by mutual Consultation…." So (as you can see) consultation is mentioned with Salah....so in the same sense that collecting for prayer is important.....collecting for consultation is also important....the same importance.....this Umma will collect for Salah in `ibadah and for Mashwara in Da'wa....this is sufficient for its importance(to be understood).......in this ayah there is no mention of the other obligations...no mention of Zakah, Hajj or Fasting.....(there is mention of) Salah and alongwith it Mashwara.

...this shows that the same importance that lies in collecting for Salah lies in collecting for Mashwara....that Mashwara is a collective deed like Salah....that you make this a collective deed.....and how do we do this? we make the Mashwara collective by (doing) two things....One is that our needs and requirements be collected(and presented) solidly and firmly in the Mashwara...because the one who brings his needs and requirements to the Mashwara....he has striven for the consultation...(and) Allah Rabb al 'Izzat will open the points of the Mashwara on his heart because of his sacrifices (for the same). Maulwi Ilyas Sahab(rah) used to say that Allah has promised to open many ways(and all ways) for those who strive in His path....not just one way....Those who strive for Our sake, We shall certainly guide them unto Our paths. Surah al-'Ankabut v.68 (to be continued)

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Old 11-22-2010, 12:29 PM   #38
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assalamu alaikum
jazakallah dr sab
ye bayan kaha hua tha?or aap muje ye pura bayan urdu or english dono agar sent kare t o me pdf me usko hamari website pr rakhu,take zyada se zyada log faida hasil kare,mera id meri site pr he
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assalamu alaikum
jazakallah dr sab
ye bayan kaha hua tha?or aap muje ye pura bayan urdu or english dono agar sent kare t o me pdf me usko hamari website pr rakhu,take zyada se zyada log faida hasil kare,mera id meri site pr he
The bayan was in Hyderabad.
It is in audio format on islamibayanaat.com
You can take the Urdu transliteration into English and the translation from this thread. WS.
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assalamu alaikum
jazakallah dr sab
ye bayan kaha hua tha?or aap muje ye pura bayan urdu or english dono agar sent kare t o me pdf me usko hamari website pr rakhu,take zyada se zyada log faida hasil kare,mera id meri site pr he
Walikum-us-salam.

Maulana Sahab, do you have bayanat of Maulana Sulaiman Jhanji (RA)?
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