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Old 05-14-2012, 11:10 AM   #1
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Assalamualaikum,

Just want to ask, does anybody know what is Zakir Naik's position/opinion/views with regards to Tablighi Jamaat?
(In English Please)

Jazakallah Khair
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:22 AM   #2
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Although Dr. Zakir Naik is a good Da'ee to Islam in the field of comparative religion, he's not a scholar of religious sciences (Alim).

Views on Deeni things should primarily be taken from those who specialize in its field; the Ulamaa.
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:29 AM   #3
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Although Dr. Zakir Naik is a good Da'ee to Islam in the field of comparative religion, he's not a scholar of religious sciences (Alim).

Views on Deeni things should primarily be taken from those who specialize in its field; the Ulamaa.
Agreed, though he is a righteous da'i. No doubt with that. hundrerds have become muslim in his hands.
His opinion on TJ is very much important, to me, at least.
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:30 AM   #4
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Assalamu alaykum

It is neutral. I had met Dr Zakir Naik and had lunch with him.
Subhanallah!

Can you elaborate?
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Old 05-14-2012, 12:47 PM   #5
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see this video,u will get answer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko9bvzoHnKk
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Old 05-14-2012, 02:23 PM   #6
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Agreed, though he is a righteous da'i. No doubt with that. hundrerds have become muslim in his hands.
His opinion on TJ is very much important, to me, at least.
And millions have become muslims indirectly at the hands of TJ
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Old 05-15-2012, 07:01 AM   #7
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Agreed, though he is a righteous da'i. No doubt with that. hundrerds have become muslim in his hands.
His opinion on TJ is very much important, to me, at least.


We shouldn't give any due importance to the opinion of Dr. Zakir Naik since he is not an aalim. The ulama he subscribes to have praised Tableeghi Jama'at so if he attacks TJ, he does so out of his own ignorance, just how when he attacks tasawwuf or following a madhhab.
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Old 05-15-2012, 07:21 AM   #8
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see this video,u will get answer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko9bvzoHnKk
Can you summarize what he's saying here?

I have not gone 4 months, so I don't know urdu
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Old 05-15-2012, 02:38 PM   #9
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Can you summarize what he's saying here?

I have not gone 4 months, so I don't know urdu
Firstly it was the woman who asked the ques.

Q: what is your opinion on a new sect now days in india called TJ that leaves his home for 40days and read a Useless book called Fazaile Amaal which contins false ahdith ( the words used is Jhooti Hadith ) etc. ?

A: Fazaile- amal consist of mixture of saheeh hadith , weak hadith , fabircation and stories , we should take from sahih hadiths , like Bukhari , tirnidhi , ibn majah .
and i have comes around any hadith that says to go for 40days for TJ and this things is not proven from Quran or Hadith.

I have translated only the half part.

Note: i find the woman more agreessive than zakir naik , the tone she used was very harsh as for zakir naik he is only good in comparative religion and that too in some aspects of it rest i consider him worth no to listen.
Because he is not a scholar , nor alim , hafiz or anything he has just memorise some verses of Holy Quran from here and there for his talks. so what else will you expect from him. To me a Scholar is 1st and Last choice.
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Old 05-15-2012, 04:30 PM   #10
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Firstly it was the woman who asked the ques.

Q: what is your opinion on a new sect now days in india called TJ that leaves his home for 40days and read a Useless book called Fazaile Amaal which contins false ahdith ( the words used is Jhooti Hadith ) etc. ?

A: Fazaile- amal consist of mixture of saheeh hadith , weak hadith , fabircation and stories , we should take from sahih hadiths , like Bukhari , tirnidhi , ibn majah .
and i have comes around any hadith that says to go for 40days for TJ and this things is not proven from Quran or Hadith.

I have translated only the half part.

Note: i find the woman more agreessive than zakir naik , the tone she used was very harsh as for zakir naik he is only good in comparative religion and that too in some aspects of it rest i consider him worth no to listen.
Because he is not a scholar , nor alim , hafiz or anything he has just memorise some verses of Holy Quran from here and there for his talks. so what else will you expect from him. To me a Scholar is 1st and Last choice.
Thanks... So the women is against Tabligh Jamaat and so is Zakir naik I presume?
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Old 05-15-2012, 05:18 PM   #11
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Thanks... So the women is against Tabligh Jamaat and so is Zakir naik I presume?
Zakir naik says "if it is mentioned in the quran and sahih hadith that you should go 4 months in jamaat than i will go".
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Old 05-15-2012, 06:06 PM   #12
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Zakir naik says "if it is mentioned in the quran and sahih hadith that you should go 4 months in jamaat than i will go".
Indirectly he's implying it's bid'ah to go for jamaat then?
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Old 05-15-2012, 06:17 PM   #13
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Indirectly he's implying it's bid'ah to go for jamaat then?
Brother does it really matter what he thinks?

Your making zakir naik a authority on islam, which he clearly is not! If he agrees or not how should that effect you?

Why do people give such positions to people when the qualifications required to be in such positions is not found by a thousand miles.

just look in the light of the quran, hadith and lives of sahaba and you will find the answers you reqiure for the effort of dawah and tabligh.
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Old 05-15-2012, 06:30 PM   #14
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Brother does it really matter what he thinks?
Why do people give such positions to people when the qualifications required to be in such positions is not found by a thousand miles.
The people here are sincere inshallah and a lot of them actually believe in the legitimacy of Dr Zakir Naik's speeches related to islamic issues (which he probably has more knowledge than most of us, to be honest, in more fields than others). May Allah forgive us for that. However, there are a group of individuals (a large group) on youtube etc. who just do this to play around with peoples' faults and make them a target of insult. Dr Zakir Naik himself said he's not a scholar, but he answers according to what he learnt, but people make fun of those parts he falls short in, and they pretend to be devoted to him and think he's a scholar, when actually they're just waiting for someone to see this and start the insults e.g. "How can he be a scholar when..." "Zakir Naik is a..." "How dare he pretend to be a scholar..." (when he's actually innocent from all that - you have to remember that in most of these cases, these topics come up because of the questioners themselves posing that question when it has nothing to do with the talk!). Allahu a'lam.
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Old 05-15-2012, 08:41 PM   #15
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Indirectly he's implying it's bid'ah to go for jamaat then?
Brother he only knows what he says and implies
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Old 05-15-2012, 09:36 PM   #16
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Firstly it was the woman who asked the ques.

Q: what is your opinion on a new sect now days in india called TJ that leaves his home for 40days and read a Useless book called Fazaile Amaal which contins false ahdith ( the words used is Jhooti Hadith ) etc. ?

A: Fazaile- amal consist of mixture of saheeh hadith ,
Asslamo Allaikum Brother,

And these answers are not directed at you at all, at Dr Zakir Naik

weak hadith ,
There is nothing wrong with using weak Ahadeeth in Fadahil (virtues), see our detailed article here


fabircation
Prove that Shaykhul-Hadeeth (Maulana) Zakariyya Kandhalwi (RA) included a known fabrication in his book. If he made an error by mistake many many Muhaditheen before him have. Imam Bukhari (RA) [according to some] has fabricated Ahadeeth in Al-Adab Al-Mufrad, here is the book

and stories ,
Allah (SWT) tells us stories in the Qur'aan:

نَحۡنُ نَقُصُّ عَلَيۡكَ أَحۡسَنَ ٱلۡقَصَصِ بِمَآ أَوۡحَيۡنَآ إِلَيۡكَ هَـٰذَا ٱلۡقُرۡءَانَ وَإِن ڪُنتَ مِن قَبۡلِهِۦ لَمِنَ ٱلۡغَـٰفِلِينَ

[12:3] By revealing this Qur'an to you, we hereby narrate to you the best narrative, while before this you were among those unaware (of it).

So what would Dr Zakir Naik like us to do? Throw these verses out of the Qur'aan?

we should take from sahih hadiths , like Bukhari , tirnidhi , ibn majah .
Al-Adab Al-Mufrad is compiled by Imam Bukhari (RA) which violates this rule of Dr Zakir Naik So who do we listen to:

  1. Imam Bukhari (RA)
  2. OR Dr Zakir Naik?


and i have comes around any hadith that says to go for 40days for TJ and this things is not proven from Quran or Hadith.

I have translated only the half part.

Note: i find the woman more agreessive than zakir naik , the tone she used was very harsh as for zakir naik he is only good in comparative religion and that too in some aspects of it rest i consider him worth no to listen.
Because he is not a scholar , nor alim , hafiz or anything he has just memorise some verses of Holy Quran from here and there for his talks. so what else will you expect from him. To me a Scholar is 1st and Last choice.
Before we can listen to Dr Zakir Naik on peace TV or watch on youtube I would like something from the Qur'aan or Hadeeth which says:

  1. Setting up a TV Channel called "Peace TV"
  2. Broadcasting it on Sattelite
  3. Uploading on Youtube


Do these rules of producing Qur'aan & Hadeeth only apply to tactics/methods of Tableeghi Jamaat or does Dr Zakir Naik also needs to give us proof?

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Old 05-15-2012, 10:02 PM   #17
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here is our uleema's openion about him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy4MADmmbYI
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Old 05-16-2012, 03:02 AM   #18
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here is our uleema's openion about him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy4MADmmbYI

Maulana ,do you have a mp3 of this lecture?
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Old 05-16-2012, 03:39 AM   #19
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Asslamo Allaikum Brother,

And these answers are not directed at you at all, at Dr Zakir Naik



There is nothing wrong with using weak Ahadeeth in Fadahil (virtues), see our detailed article here




Prove that Shaykhul-Hadeeth (Maulana) Zakariyya Kandhalwi (RA) included a known fabrication in his book. If he made an error by mistake many many Muhaditheen before him have. Imam Bukhari (RA) [according to some] has fabricated Ahadeeth in Al-Adab Al-Mufrad, here is the book



Allah (SWT) tells us stories in the Qur'aan:

نَحۡنُ نَقُصُّ عَلَيۡكَ أَحۡسَنَ ٱلۡقَصَصِ بِمَآ أَوۡحَيۡنَآ إِلَيۡكَ هَـٰذَا ٱلۡقُرۡءَانَ وَإِن ڪُنتَ مِن قَبۡلِهِۦ لَمِنَ ٱلۡغَـٰفِلِينَ

[12:3] By revealing this Qur'an to you, we hereby narrate to you the best narrative, while before this you were among those unaware (of it).

So what would Dr Zakir Naik like us to do? Throw these verses out of the Qur'aan?



Al-Adab Al-Mufrad is compiled by Imam Bukhari (RA) which violates this rule of Dr Zakir Naik So who do we listen to:

  1. Imam Bukhari (RA)
  2. OR Dr Zakir Naik?




Before we can listen to Dr Zakir Naik on peace TV or watch on youtube I would like something from the Qur'aan or Hadeeth which says:

  1. Setting up a TV Channel called "Peace TV"
  2. Broadcasting it on Sattelite
  3. Uploading on Youtube


Do these rules of producing Qur'aan & Hadeeth only apply to tactics/methods of Tableeghi Jamaat or does Dr Zakir Naik also needs to give us proof?

Fantastic reasoning, MashAllah, JazakAllah khair. I wish this could be presented to Dr.Zakir Naik not to humilate him, but for islah purpose.
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Old 05-16-2012, 03:52 AM   #20
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Assalamu Aleikum.

First of all, Zakir Naik is a Daa'ie and a very good one at that. He gives clarifications out of what he has learnt, and he mentions repeatedly that he's not a scholar. In many instances, he does not provide answers to questions for which he has no knowledge, or gives an opinion from what he knows prefacing (or providing disclaimers) it sufficiently.

For people to claim that he chooses weak opponents is not correct. He travels quite a bit, and he cant always ensure he has weak opponents. In any case, this is not a battle but an intellectual discourse through which the general public gets knowledge that they didnt have before. Is all his knowledge perfect? Absolutely not. But show me anyone who is correct all the time except Allah swt and his Rasool .

Please also let us know why you want an answer to this question. Would his opinion make a differerence to you going or not going in the path of TJ? If yes, I would strongly recommend that you pursue an ulemaa in your locality and get specific answers to your questions directly. If you're just asking to get a frame of reference to judge where on the spectrum he falls, I have nothing to say.

Allah swt knows best, and may He guide us all.
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