[qzgCVHex]

Mentioning his very name goes against the pledge that was signed by YOUR OWN SCHOLARS so do you make taqleed or not?

what pledge?
paste it here

[Lt_Apple]

have you ever listened to his talks?
in one , i remb, he clearly stated that i will take the opinions of the first three generations but not of a scholar
p.s ironically imam abu hanifah was from the first three generations. but imam bukhari, muslim and rest of the authors of sahih sitta were not.

i honestly don't know how this makes sense to salafis....they say they follow the first 3 generations and at the same time say the salaf didnt really know the correct way of praying because hadiths didnt reach them

as for this pledge that brother Dawood keeps talking about...i don't know anyone from any group who actually took it seriously

[SzefciuCba]

Remember the Pledge everyone!!!

[Klavalala]

Mentioning his very name goes against the pledge that was signed by YOUR OWN SCHOLARS so do you make taqleed or not?

How does mentioning his very name go against the pledge? Who are my "own scholars"? What does taqleed have anything to do with the pledge? WHY ARE YOU TYPING IN CAPS?

[codecouponqw]

Br. Dawud, although I agree with you to some extent about your concerns, I think we should be understanding to the fact that majority of the people outside of UK (and probably even from UK) have no idea what pledge you are talking about, and what significance it holds to Islam or Muslims in general.

Wallaahu A'lam.

[sitescools]

Can someone explain to me what "the pledge" is?

[SzefciuCba]

Can someone explain to me what "the pledge" is?

How can you not know the Pledge!?

[sitescools]

How can you not know the Pledge!?

Oh right.... The Pledge.

Yes, of course I know what that is.

[sitescools]

Found it: http://muslimmatters.org/2007/09/22/...d-cooperation/

Frankly, I dont see why its such a big deal.

[TolleyBoymn]

Found it: http://muslimmatters.org/2007/09/22/...d-cooperation/

Frankly, I dont see why its such a big deal.

Well the same Muslimmatters think Muslims should support Gay marriage: http://muslimmatters.org/2012/05/30/...l-equivalency/

[Nikkkola]

The title of the thread says it all " What to watch instead of Peace TV?"

Almost two decades back , a physically weak Muslim who can not even speak fluently , stood up in India and ever since he has turned into an inspiring legend. He has set up a dawah empire across the world and Millions of people have found Islam due to him. So much uncontested he is in the field of Dawah that in 2012 people are asking " What to watch instead of Peace TV?". But some "traditional , orthodox" Muslims want to save the world from his "fitna". It is no more than an unpleasant irony that instead of appreciating Dr Zakir Naik's good work , we are picking on his minor mistakes.

[6ZCo3xuK]

The title of the thread says it all " What to watch instead of Peace TV?"

Almost two decades back , a physically weak Muslim who can not even speak fluently , stood up in India and ever since he has turned into an inspiring legend. He has set up a dawah empire across the world and Millions of people have found Islam due to him. So much uncontested he is in the field of Dawah that in 2012 people are asking " What to watch instead of Peace TV?". But some "traditional , orthodox" Muslims want to save the world from his "fitna". It is no more than an unpleasant irony that instead of appreciating Dr Zakir Naik's good work , we are picking on his minor mistakes.

Not to make a comparison, but Nazim al-Haqqani, too, is doing a lot of da'wah and many people are accepting "Islam" (?) through him.
But "doing a lot of da'wah" is not the only criteria, and it's very clear that Zakir Naik, alongside calling people to practise/accept Islam, is also shaping their minds in a very specific way, which is what the brothers here call "fitna".

[sitescools]

Well the same Muslimmatters think Muslims should support Gay marriage: http://muslimmatters.org/2012/05/30/...l-equivalency/

Which is why I don't support them.

[qzgCVHex]

The title of the thread says it all " What to watch instead of Peace TV?"

Almost two decades back , a physically weak Muslim who can not even speak fluently , stood up in India and ever since he has turned into an inspiring legend. He has set up a dawah empire across the world and Millions of people have found Islam due to him. So much uncontested he is in the field of Dawah that in 2012 people are asking " What to watch instead of Peace TV?". But some "traditional , orthodox" Muslims want to save the world from his "fitna". It is no more than an unpleasant irony that instead of appreciating Dr Zakir Naik's good work , we are picking on his minor mistakes.

would have to disagree. they are not minor.

[Aqgkvwzm]

The title of the thread says it all " What to watch instead of Peace TV?"
Almost two decades back , a physically weak Muslim who can not even speak fluently , stood up in India and ever since he has turned into an inspiring legend. He has set up a dawah empire across the world and Millions of people have found Islam due to him. So much uncontested he is in the field of Dawah that in 2012 people are asking " What to watch instead of Peace TV?". But some "traditional , orthodox" Muslims want to save the world from his "fitna". It is no more than an unpleasant irony that instead of appreciating Dr Zakir Naik's good work , we are picking on his minor mistakes.

What if we appreciate his da'wah-work generally, but don't like his channel ? Do we still have choice or should we follow them blindly ^^ ?

[cQT6nmEc]

have you ever listened to his talks?
in one , i remb, he clearly stated that i will take the opinions of the first three generations but not of a scholar (thats not the word he used) after that.
do you realize what a fitnah that is?first step of leaving Islam is to have disrespect of scholars. next step is to pick and choose between scholars according to your nafs, third step is to do your own ijtihad, and then from ghair muqallid one becomes munkar e hadith/shia/qadiani very easily.
this is the reality. this is why we oppose salafis. now i hope you understand who the real cancer is.

p.s ironically imam abu hanifah was from the first three generations. but imam bukhari, muslim and rest of the authors of sahih sitta were not.

aodhu billah. this is ghuloow. to say that becoming ghair muqalid is supposedly one of the steps towards kufr is a gross exageration of the importance of taqleed.

Most murtads are from deobandi, barelwi and shia backgrounds, polls were conducted on murtads that have shown this.

To say that murtads and qadiyanis are mainly ex salafis is grossly inaccurate. Salafiyyah is a strong movement that is aiding the islamic revival currently, as are the deobandis

[Sowsunese]

Most murtads are from deobandi, barelwi and shia backgrounds, polls were conducted on murtads that have shown this.

Link please.

Oh right.... The Pledge.

[cQT6nmEc]

i honestly don't know how this makes sense to salafis....they say they follow the first 3 generations and at the same time say the salaf didnt really know the correct way of praying because hadiths didnt reach them

as for this pledge that brother Dawood keeps talking about...i don't know anyone from any group who actually took it seriously

well most of the salafis took it seriously and now flatly refuse to mention names of any deobandi ulema or du'aat or even the name deobandi itself except when calling for unity etc. I can personally attest to that

the salafis dont say taht you shoudl take one individual member of the salaf and follow every oppinion they hold at teh exclusion of anyone else from the salaf, they say an oppinion must have been held by someone from the salaf in order to be a legitimate oppinion, and of course imam abu hanfiah rahimahullah is included in that

[cQT6nmEc]

Link please.

have a read through these stories from ex muslims:

[cQT6nmEc]

What if we appreciate his da'wah-work generally, but don't like his channel ? Do we still have choice or should we follow them blindly ^^ ?

if you dont want to follow his channel, dont watch it, but dont attack it, refute it or try to hinder his dawah.

I personally dont feel tablighees are teh most effective method for dawah but taht doesnt mean I should refute them when they are doing some good, not much harm, are muslim, and we have much bigger problems to deal with.

There is a different between being his follower and at leats being happy for his dawah even if you opt for another choice