[MexicoCity]

So I see No problem in accepting this verse of the Torah as supporting the Quran and not corrupted.

You have a problem with accepting that you were wrong earlier.

True story...!!

Rasoolullah clearly said: "...they will not guide you when they have gone astray. (If you listen to them) You will either disbelieve in what is right or believe in what is false."

[Aswdwdfg]

You have a problem with accepting that you were wrong earlier.

Rasoolullah clearly said: "...they will not guide you when they have gone astray. (If you listen to them) You will either disbelieve in what is right or believe in what is false."

If I was wrong I would acknowledge it; but I wasn't wrong, so I can't.

Look, son, there is a difference between listening to someone as they instruct you.

And reading something for yourself.


Question: The Torah verse that I posted totally agrees with the Quran.

So how is it in error??

[MexicoCity]

Question: The Torah verse that I posted totally agrees with the Quran.

So how is it in error??

I repeat for the umpteenth time, Its narrated that Rasoolullah said: " ...(If you listen to them) You will either disbelieve in what is right or believe in what is false."

You are really stubborn, True story. !!!

I m outta here...


Allah the Almighty says in the Quran:

7:162
"But the transgressors among them changed the word from that which had been given them so we sent on them a plague from heaven. For that they repeatedly transgressed"

[Aswdwdfg]

I m outta here...

Is cut and run part of your culture??

Just asking........

[MexicoCity]

Is cut and run part of your culture??

Just asking........

good insult, Unlike you, I i don't care about my culture. For Me only Islam is my culture.

[Aswdwdfg]

good insult, Unlike you, I i don't care about my culture. For Me only Islam is my culture.

Wasn't an insult; just a question.

What makes you think that I "care" about my culture??

[conurgenceDen]

No Yusuf (as) was thrown into a well by his brothers, some travellers found him in the well and sold him in the market as slave. ?

Well our traditions state otherwise. The travellers found Yusuf (as) , but was than sold by his brothers to the travellers, who than sold him in the market.

Allah knowst best.

Salaam

[MexicoCity]

Is cut and run part of your culture??

Just asking........

Yes its a part of Islamic culture: The following is mentioned in a Hadith in Tirmidhi which narrates that Rasoolullah said:

"....Whereas, for the individual who is on truth but abandons confrontation and argumentation (He acknowledges that the opponent is not accepting, the time is being wasted and he is fears possibility of blameworthy morals to be be stirred in his nafs) a house will be constructed in the center of the Paradise....."

[MexicoCity]

?

Well our traditions state otherwise. The travellers found Yusuf (as) , but was than sold by his brothers to the travellers, who than sold him in the market.

Allah knowst best.

Salaam

Not surprising that Shi'ite traditions going contrary to the Quran.

It clearly mentioned in Suratul Yusuf that the brothers threw Yusuf(as) into the well.

[Aswdwdfg]

Yes its a part of Islamic culture: The following is mentioned in a Hadith in Tirmidhi which narrates that Rasoolullah said:
"....Whereas, for [U]the individual who is on truth but abandons confrontation and argumentation [/U](He acknowledges that the opponent is not accepting, the time is being wasted and he is fears possibility of blameworthy morals to be be stirred in his nafs) a house will be constructed in the center of the Paradise....."

The stipulation of what you posted is that the person must be presenting the "truth" for it to apply.

So clearly, it does not apply to you on this issue.

Fail

[nuabuncarnigo]

Apparently, you still don't understand what I am saying.

No, we should not allow the Christians or the Jews to personally "guide" or "teach" us.

But there is no problem in reading the Torah and accepting it's words on issues where it agrees with the Quran and Sunnah.

Firstly, there is a very serious problem because Sayyidina Rasul-ullah instructed us not to care whether it agrees or disagrees.

Secondly, in the commentary there are several opinions and the bible happens to agree with one of the opinions and not the verse of the Qur'aan.

So you are a Dimwit to state that it agrees with the Qur'aan when it doesn't, it agrees with one of the opinions and not the verse.

This is what the Qur'aan says:

[12:20] And they sold him for a paltry price, for a few silver-coins, and they had not much interest in him.

This is what you quoted from the bible:

Genesis 37:28 "So when the Midianite merchants came by, his brothers pulled Joseph up out of the cistern and sold him for twenty shekels of silver to the Ishmaelites, who took him to Egypt"

If the previous books agrees on that then no worry in that.

Brother,

Have you actually READ after asking your question as to what the answer is and HOW its formulated? HOW did you conclude that the bible agrees with the Qur'aan?

[MexicoCity]

The stipulation of what you posted is that the person must be presenting the "truth" for it to apply.

So clearly, it does not apply to you on this issue.

Fail

Well your ignorance did get ahead of you yet again. I purposely didn't post the other half of the hadith, knowing that you will argue with whatever I post.

Here is the complete Hadith. Even if a person is wrong, he gets a house in the edge of paradise.


"An individual who is on untruth but abandons argumentation and squabbling (by accepting the truth) for him a house will be constructed in the periphery (edge) of the Paradise. Whereas, for the individual who is on truth but abandons confrontation and argumentation (He acknowledges that the opponent is not accepting, the time is being wasted and he is fears possibility of blameworthy morals to be be stirred in his nafs) a house will be constructed in the center of the Paradise. (That is certainly superior to the one located in the periphery.) And for the individual who has the best morals a house will be constructed in superior most part of the Paradise."

This is reported in (Sunan e) Tirmizi.

[pGJLweEw]

Please read what you just posted.

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said do not let the People of the Book "teach" you.

He do not say to disregard or ignore what the Torah said.

Big difference!!

Good point brother.

[MexicoCity]

Good point brother.

Yea, so why did Rasoolullah get angry with Umar(ra) ?

[pGJLweEw]

"By Allaah, if Moses had been alive today, he would have been obliged to follow me."

You are trying hard to make silly arguments.

True story...!!!

Man, he is not saying to follow, he was just giving the reference. Even, I get a chance then I could even try to explore the Geeta and other books too. There is nothing bad in learning is learning but implementing then on your life is quite worse thing.

And if u wanna convert someone then could u do that if u dont even know what is written is his religious books?

[nuabuncarnigo]

Man, he is not saying to follow, he was just giving the reference. Even, I get a chance then I could even try to explore the Geeta and other books too. There is nothing bad in learning is learning but implementing then on your life is quite worse thing.

And if u wanna convert someone then could u do that if u dont even know what is written is his religious books?

Brother,

Firstly, Islam has absolved you of the need for exploring Bhagavad Gita.

Secondly, what you have aptly demonstrated in this thread is precisely why Islam has forbidden laymen from picking up scriptures from other religions.

[conurgenceDen]

Not surprising that Shi'ite traditions going contrary to the Quran.

It clearly mentioned in Suratul Yusuf that the brothers threw Yusuf(as) into the well. Brother I think your just hearing things?

I agree and so do all muslims that the brothers threw Nabi Yusuf (as) into the well.

I think theres no point discussing this further with you as its obvious that some other voices are in your head telling you things.

Salaam

[pGJLweEw]

Yea, so why did Rasoolullah get angry with Umar(ra) ?

Prophet , said, ‘Do not ask the People of the Book about anything for they will not guide you when they have gone astray. (If you listen to them) You will either disbelieve in what is right or believe in what is false.

Brother, just try to understand I am Muslim, I am not saying that previous books are correct or are totally incorrect. But at least must read about what's written in that. As, Dr. Zakir Naik has MashAllah! learned even Geeta too but see how pious is that guy

[nuabuncarnigo]

Brother I think your just hearing things?

I agree and so do all muslims that the brothers threw Nabi Yusuf (as) into the well.

I think theres no point discussing this further with you as its obvious that some other voices are in your head telling you things.

Salaam

If there are voices in his head absolving him of the need to listen to Rafidhees then Alhumdolillah.

[MexicoCity]

Brother I think your just hearing things?

I agree and so do all muslims that the brothers threw Nabi Yusuf (as) into the well.

I think theres no point discussing this further with you as its obvious that some other voices are in your head telling you things.

Salaam

Its not rare that shi'ite's state self contradictory statements when cornered with substantial evidence.
Bye...