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05-22-2012, 05:10 AM
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 Rafa Yadin... do we have to do it
According to research, only shias do rafa yadin and we don't.
Please correct me if I am wrong |
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05-22-2012, 05:14 AM
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According to Shafi and Hambly School, rafayadin is done.
There are different views adopted based on evidance and usul. It is not about have to but rather what is deemed by different school more virtueous. Most of this types of question would easily be answered if you first followed a time tested system of Islamic school of Jurisprudance. As a follower of hanafi school, I don't do rafayadin. Before you decide first know what is being practiced in your local area and what school is dominant i.e resources available to learn a particular schools and life circumstance. Allahualam |
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05-22-2012, 07:07 AM
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According to research, only shias do rafa yadin and we don't.   Doing Rafa Yadin is proven by many Authentic Hadiiths & it's sunnah. Plz see below. Bukhari ::Volume 1 :: Book 12 :: Hadith 706 Narrated Nafi': Whenever Ibn 'Umar started the prayer with Takbir, he used to raise his hands: whenever he bowed, he used to raise his hands (before bowing) and also used to raise his hands on saying, "Sami a-l-lahu Liman hamida", and he used to do the same on rising from the second Rak'a (for the 3rd Rak'a). Ibn 'Umar said: "The Prophet used to do the same." 
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05-22-2012, 08:28 AM
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Sister, Shias do Rafa Yadain at 27 places in a 4 rakaat Salaah, that's not the way of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah. Among Ahlus Sunnah, Two schools emphasize on "not" doing Rafa Yadain, namely Hanafi and Maliki schools, as per them Rafa Yadain "In" Salah is an abrogated act (remember that the one done in the beginning is "outside" of Salah). عن جابر بن سمرة قال : دخل علينا النبي ، ونحن رافعي أيدينا في الصلاة فقال : « ما لي أراكم رافعي أيديكم كأنها أذناب خيل شمس ؟ اسكنوا في الصلاة Imam Bukhari Rahimahullah Narrates through a chain from Jabir bin Samrah Radhi Allahu anh that Rasoolullah sallAllah alaihi wasallam came to us and we were Raising Hands in our Prayers, He said "Why is it that I see you raising hands like the Tails of arrogant horses, be calm in your prayers". On the same token, the two latter schools namely Shafii and Hanbali of Ahlus Sunnah, say it's better to raise hands before going to Ruku , getting up from it, and when rising for the third Rak'ah. It Should be noteworthy that none of these schools emphasizes that this is a constant Sunnah of Rasoolullah SallAllahu alaihi wasallam, neither do they scold each other on the basis of this . The difference is only that two schools consider it better(Mustahab) to Raise hands while two consider it Makruh Tanzeehi ( Disliked ) . Both have evidences based on Quran , Sunnah and Ijtihaad. Therefore, whichever the school you adhere to, your practice should be according to it. |
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05-22-2012, 11:17 AM
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عن جابر بن سمرة قال : دخل علينا النبي ، ونحن رافعي أيدينا في الصلاة فقال : « ما لي أراكم رافعي أيديكم كأنها أذناب خيل شمس ؟ اسكنوا في الصلاة Can u plz provide Chapter name where Imam Bukhari Rahimahullah mentioned this hadith? Plz provide full reference by mentioning Book Number : Volume Number : Hadith Number (I.e Bukhari :: Book xxx :: Volume xxx :: Hadith xxx ). I got followings in Sahih Muslim, but hadiths r not showing that this is Rafa Yadin before & after Ruku!!!! Chapter 24 : THE COMMAND TO OBSERVE PRAYER WITH TRANQUILLITYAND CALMNESS AND PROHIBITION OF MAKING GESTURES WITH HANDS AND LIFTING THEMWHILE PRONOUNCING SALUTATION, ANDTHE COMPLETING OF FIRST ROWSAND JOINING TOGETHER WELL IN THEM Book 4, Number 0864: Jabir b. Samura reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) came to us and said: How is it that I see you lifting your hands like the tails of headstrong horses? Be calm in prayer.He (the narrator) said: He then again came to us and saw us (sitting) in circles; he said: How is it that I see you in separate groups? He (the narrator) said: He again came to us and said: Why don't you draw yourselves up in rows as angels do in the presence of their Lord?We said: Messenger of Allah, bow do the angels draw themselves up in rows in the presence of their Lord?He (the Holy Prophet) said: They make the first rows complete and keep close together in the row. Book 4, Number 0865: This hadith has been narrated by A'mash with the same chain of transmitters. Book 4, Number 0866: Jabir b. Samura reported: When we said prayer with the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him), we pronounced: Peace be upon you and Mercy of Allah, peace be upon you and Mercy of Allah, and made gesture with the hand on both the sides.Upon this the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him said: What do you point out with your hands as if they are the tails of headstrong horses?This is enough for you that one should place one's hand on one's thigh and then pronounce salutation upon one's brother on the right side and then on the left. Book 4, Number 0867: Jabir b. Samura reported: We said our prayer with the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) and, while pronouncing salutations, we made gestures with our hands (indicating) "Peace be upon you, peace be upon you." The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) looked towards us and said: Why is it that you make gestures with your hands like the tails of headstrong horses?When any one of you pro- nounces salutation (in prayer) he should only turn his face towards his companion and should not make a gesture with his hand. |
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05-22-2012, 02:35 PM
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05-22-2012, 05:34 PM
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Ibn Hazm said after authenticating ahadith regarding raf’ al-yadayn:
فإن رفعنا صلينا كما كان رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم يصلي، و إن لم نرفع فقد صلينا كما كان عليه السلام يصلي ENGLISH: “So if we raise our hands (raf’ al-yadayn): we have prayed like the Prophet has prayed. And if we do not raise our hands: we have prayed like the Prophet has prayed!” NEDERLANDS: “Dus als wij onze handen opheffen (raf’ al-yadayn): dan hebben we gebeden zoals de Profeet had gebeden. En als we onze handen niet opheffen, dan hebben we ook gebeden zoals de Profeet had gebeden!” ["Al-Muhala", 3/235]. |
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05-23-2012, 12:46 AM
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05-23-2012, 01:24 AM
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There we go again. Do you follow Bukhari's Titles or do you follow what Rasoolullah sallAllahu alaihi wasallam said? It seems you're a bigger muqallid than I thought. Either way, I wouldn't even bother debating with juhala since I've given up on this practice. Surely i follow what Rasoolullah sallAllahu alaihi wasallam said, but when someone says Bukhari said that then i want to know where did bukhari say that? Finally brother u couldn't provide any reference from Bukhari & One should not claim something without evidence & it's a practice of Jahel. Take care.
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05-23-2012, 02:33 AM
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05-23-2012, 07:16 AM
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05-23-2012, 06:22 PM
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According to research, only shias do rafa yadin and we don't. Sister,In Islamic matters (and normal issues) you are either one of the following two:
Qur'aan commands you very clearly: [16:43] ...So, ask the people (having the knowledge) if you do not know. In other words if you are not a Scholar then follow one. There are differences of opinion on this matter within Islamic Scholars for 1400 years so turn to a Scholar and he/she will advise you accordingly. Scholars whom I follow advise:
The second article should be updated and transferred to the new site shortly.
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05-24-2012, 12:15 AM
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عن جابر بن سمرة قال : دخل علينا النبي ، ونحن رافعي أيدينا في الصلاة فقال : « ما لي أراكم رافعي أيديكم كأنها أذناب خيل شمس ؟ اسكنوا في الصلاة Bismillahir Rahmaanir Raheem, Raising the hands before Rukoo and After Rukoo is an Undeniable Sunnah of Rasool Allah s.a.w: http://www.systemoflife.com/fiqh/sal...nd-after-rukoo Some people present the hadith of Jaabir bin Samurah against rafa yadain: خرج علینا رسول اللہ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ، فَقَالَ : " مَا لِي أَرَاكُمْ رَافِعِي أَيْدِيَكُمْ كَأَنَّهَا أَذْنَابُ خَيْلٍ شُمُسٍ ؟ اسْكُنُوا فِي الصَّلاةِ " The Messneger of Allah (peace be upon him) came towards us and said: “How is it that I see you lifting your hands like the tails of headstrong horses? “Be calm in the prayer”. [Sahih Muslim, Vol 1, Pg 181, H. 430] The Following is a collection of 5 answers by Shaykh Zubair Ali Zair from his best book on Raful Yadain in urdu "Noor ul Aynain Fee Mas'ala Rafa Al Yadain". Brother Raza Hasan translated this answer. May Allah reward him Abundantly for his efforts, ameen. First Answer: Just as the explanation of alot of Quranic verses is mentioned in the Quran it self, Similarly the explanation of alot of ahadith are mentioned in the ahadeeth it selfl. Jabir bin Samurah said: “When we said prayer with the Messenger of Allah (SAW) we said the taslim and gestured with our hands on both sides. Upon this the Messenger (SAW) said, ‘why do I see you moving your hands as if they were tails of headstrong horses. When one of you says the taslim then he should only turn his face towards his companion and not gesture with his hands.” (Sahih Muslim, Vol1, Pg 181) It is said in another narration of Jaabir bin Samurah that: “When we said prayer with the Messenger of Allah (SAW) we said the taslim and gestured with our hands on both sides. Upon this the Messenger (SAW) said, ‘why do I see you moving your hands as if they were tails of headstrong horses. It is enough for you that one should place ones hand on ones thigh and then pronounce taslim to the brother on ones right and left’”. [Sahih Muslim H. 430] The phrase, “أَذْنَابُ خَيْلٍ شُمُسٍ” (Tails of headstrong horses), is present in all three narrations, which is a clear evidence that all these three ahadith are talking about only one incidence, therefore; taking evidence from it, is absolutely rejected. Second Answer: There is a consesus of all the Muhadditheen that this hadith is related to Tashahhud. It is not in the prohibition of the rafa yadain of before and after ruku’. No one amongst the Khair ul-Quroon has ever taken evidence from this Hadith against the rafa yadain. For example: The following Muhadditheen have brought this hadith under the chapter of Salaam (at the end of prayer). Imam Nawawi. [Sahih Muslim with the Sharh of Imam Nawawi Vol 4, Pg 152] Imam Abu Dawud. [Sunan Abu Dawud: 998, 999] Imam al-Nasai. [H. 1185] Imam Tahawi. [Sharh Ma’ani al-Athaar, Vol1, Pg 268, 269] Bayhaqi. [Al-Sunan al-Kubra Vol2, pg 181] No Muhaddith ever brought this hadith under the chapter of prohibition of doing rafa yadain before and after ruku’. From the Ijmaa of Scholars, we came to know that this hadith is related to Tashahhud, and it has nothing to do with the rafa yadain of before and after ruku’. Hafidh Ibn Hajr said: “It is not right to take evidence from this Hadith (of Jaabir bin Samurah), because the first hadith is a shortened version of the second Hadtih" [Al-Talkhis al-Khabir, Vol1, Pg 221] Imam Al-Bukhari said, “the one who depends upon the hadith of Jabir bin Samurah for forbidding the raising of hands at ruku‘, then there is not for him a portion of knowledge, for this is well-known, having no difference of opinion over it that it was in the state of tashahhud.” [At-Talkhis al-Khabir Vol1, Pg 221, Juz Rafa Yadain: 37] Similar thing is also said by Imam Ibn Hibban that: “mentioning the [full] narration is necessary to explain the previously mentioned summarised narration because the people were commanded with tranquillity in prayer at the point of indicating at the taslim, not the raising which is established at ruku‘.”Then he narrates the like of what Muslim narrates. [Sahih Ibn Hibban 178/3, H. 1877] Imam Nawawi said: “The one, who takes evidence from this Hadith for not doing rafa yadain before and after ruku, has done an act of major ignorance. Doing rafa yadain before and after ruku’ is Sahih and proven which can not be refuted…..[Al-Majmoo’ Sharh al-Madhab Vol 3, Pg 403] Hafidh Ibn al-Mulqan said: “Taking evidence from this Hadith is a very serious and bad Jahalat, which has been added to the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him), because this hadith is not narrated regarding the rafa yadain of before and after ruku, Instead they (the sahaba) used to point with their hands in Salam…. There is no difference of opinion among the Ahl-e-Hadith (Scholars) regarding it. The one who has a very little relation with hadith, even he accepts this.[Al-Badar al-Muneer Vol3, Pg 485] Third Answer: If this hadith is on the prohibition of doing rafa yadain, then why do the opposers of rafa yadain do rafa yadain in the first takbeer, witr and Eidayn?? If Rafa yadain of ruku is prohibited with this hadith, then the above mentioned rafa yadain should also be prohibited. There answer is also our answer. If the excpetions of these above rafa yadain are proven from other ahadith, then the exception of rafa yadain before and after ruku’ is also proven from other ahadith. Fourth Answer: The hadith presented by the opposers doesn’t mention about the rafa yadain of ruku, while the ahadith presented by the supporters, do mention about the rafa yadain of ruku’. Therefore; Mufassar will take precedence over the Mubham. Hafidh Ibn Hajr wirtes: "And Mufassar is superior over the the Mubham". [Fathul Bari 283/10]. Fifth Answer: If the rafa yadain of this hadith is taken to be the rafa yadain of before and after ruku’, then that means doing rafa yadain is a very scurrilous act; and since the rafa yadain is proven from the prophet (peace be upon him) throug mutawaatir narrations, then it would mean that Prophet (peace be upon him) acted upon a scurrilous action, which can not be expected from the prophet, so we came to know that this is not the rafa yadain of before and after ruku. Otherwise, we would have to consider the act of prophet to be scurrilous, about which we can’t even think. Note: Some people have tried to answer the first answer that this hadith is consisted of multiple incidences, this claim of theirs is wrong. Hafidh Abdul Manan Nurpuri wrote in his letter to Abdul-Rasheed Kashmiri that: “In the narration of Jabir bin Samurah, there is not even a hint on the prohibition of the rafa yadain of ruku, even when the incidences are considered to be multiple, because in one narration, the rafa yadain of Salam not being mentioned in it, does not necessitate that it means the rafa yadain of ruku. Therefore; making it an evidence of the prohibition of rafa yadain in ruku is nothing but ignorance.”
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06-07-2012, 10:23 PM
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i read somewhere salafi do 10 times rafa yadin in 4 rakat namaz while shafi'i do 9 times.. plz someone correct if i m wrong ?
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06-07-2012, 10:54 PM
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i read somewhere salafi do 10 times rafa yadin in 4 rakat namaz while shafi'i do 9 times.. plz someone correct if i m wrong ? According to Shafi'i Madhab hands are raised during 4 positions. 1. Starting Takbeer. 2. Going to Ruku. 3. Getting up from Ruku. 4. Getting up from the 1st Tashhud in the 2nd rakat. |
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06-07-2012, 11:24 PM
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