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No brother, I cannot as my Tarbiyat is not done this way. Kashf is no doubt a blessing of Allah swt but its neither a mission nor the end, Allah Qadir hai iss baat pe k kisi ko kuch bhe atta karde.

And I don't either mind if you consider that I lied about Kashf.

We have seen enough without Kashf to tell us this man is misguided.

Secondly, you used your Kashf as a proof.

But you see, you can't use a proof that only you know about.

So now I totally fail to see the point of you mentioning Kashf at all. Clearly, you are holding it above the Shariah and above its worth (or you are showing off by making a point which is irrelevant - however this is not possible because your Kashf was used as proof!). Further, your Kashf is only valid for you, and no one else can verify it.

That's a recipe for total misguidance, as you are standing as your own proof - which is subjective, so you are now caged in a deceptive cycle. Alhamdulillah, this Deen has objective criteria known as Qur'an, Sunnah and Shari'ah, and this is the only thing that will get you out of this.

What else is to be said, except this Jaahil man has fooled you, and others like you, and we make a deep du'a that you come out of this deception for your own good, amin.

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this was handed out by the owaisi 'ameer' of northern england. he was made ameer of this area by the UK majaz of akram awan who is called zameer.

the passage is meant to be from shah nimatullah. the ameer claimed that the passages are referring to akram awan.

colonel hardstone made some enquiries into this passage and found that the whole passage is fabricated. no such passage appears in the writings of shah nimatullah.

I believe you must not blindly believe someone and endorse him/her unless you dont do research yourself. This is a sign of an ignorant fool.

Anyway heres the passage from another source. Future+Predictions+by+Naimatullah+Shah+Wali+%u00252528RA%2529_50.jpg

http://spiritual-pakistan-future.blo...by-hazrat.html

Think before you leap and try to act sane.

[dhYTvlAv]

this thread went like those fake 'kung fu masters' demonstrating their skills.

sifu: hit me!

*student punches sifu in stomach*

sifu: ooof!
no! i meant hit me with the other hand.

*student throws a fast punch with the other hand*

sifu: OOOF!
NO! NOT LIKE THAT. hit me with that hand, but a bit slower and aim your fist towards my open palm.

*student does what he is told*

*sifu grabs ultra slow punch aimed for his palm that came from the arm that he was expecting. does a half-baked clumsy spin and brings students arm around his back and puts him in a lock that the student can get out of just by back heeling the sifu in his groin. (but doesnt cos he just wants to end this and go home lol)*

sifu: THERE YOU SEE!!!??!! now THATS how you prevent an attack in the streets and defend yourself!

*all the idiots clap - all the people with even half a brain leave and go home. or go to bed in my case.*

[dhYTvlAv]

i thought you did not know about the prophecies? did you get kashf?

I believe you must not blindly believe someone and endorse him/her unless you dont do research yourself. This is a sign of an ignorant fool.

so you went and believed in something you found on the net by using google? lol

and even that is a nationalist website that does not care who they source from. they even feature deviants such as nazim qubrusi who made a prophecy about the end of america and some other countries which was meant to have occured sometime last year lol.

Anyway heres the passage from another source. Future+Predictions+by+Naimatullah+Shah+Wali+%u00252528RA%2529_50.jpg

http://spiritual-pakistan-future.blo...by-hazrat.html

Think before you leap and try to act sane.[/QUOTE]

read this thread about the ORIGINAL prophecies of shah nimatullah and the many fabrications that have been added to it since the original got published. your akram awan does not feature ANYWHERE in the original and is just one of the many fabrications that have been added to it. but of course, your kashf already told you that.

[dhYTvlAv]

one last thing before i go.

I too am by the will of Allah swt, a sahib e Kashf, and by yet I have not seen a single thing in my Shaykh which is against the Shariat.

you do know about the painting of akram awan which is proudly displayed in his office in munara?


Hadith - Bukhari 3:428, Narrated Said bin Abu Al-Hasan

While I was with Ibn 'Abbas a man came and said, "O father of 'Abbas! My sustenance is from my manual profession and I make these pictures." Ibn 'Abbas said, "I will tell you only what I heard from Allah's Apostle . I heard him saying, 'Whoever makes a picture will be punished by Allah till he puts life in it, and he will never be able to put life in it.' " Hearing this, that man heaved a sigh and his face turned pale. Ibn 'Abbas said to him, "What a pity! If you insist on making pictures I advise you to make pictures of trees and any other unanimated objects."


Hadith -Bukhari 4:47, Narrated 'Aisha

I stuffed for the Prophet a pillow decorated with pictures (of animals) which looked like a Namruqa (i.e. a small cushion). He came and stood among the people with excitement apparent on his face. I said, "O Allah's Apostle! What is wrong?" He said, "What is this pillow?" I said, "I have prepared this pillow for you, so that you may recline on it." He said, "Don't you know that angels do not enter a house wherein there are pictures; and whoever makes a picture will be punished on the Day of Resurrection and will be asked to give life to (what he has created)?"


Hadith - Bukhari 4:448, Narrated Abu Talha

I heard Allah's Apostle saying; "Angels (of Mercy) do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or a picture of a living creature (a human being or an animal)."


Hadith -Bukhari 5:338, Narrated Ibn Abbas

Abu Talha, a companion of Allah's Apostle and one of those who fought at Badr together with Allah's Apostle told me that Allah's Apostle said. "Angels do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture." He meant the images of creatures that have souls.


Hadith - Muslim, Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib

AbulHayyaj al-Asadi told that Ali ibn AbuTalib said to him: Should I not send you on the same mission as Allah's Messenger sent me? Do not leave an image without obliterating it, or a high grave without levelling it. This hadith has been reported by Habib with the same chain of transmitters and he said: (do not leave) a picture without obliterating it.


Hadith - Muslim, narrated Maymunah

One morning Allah's Messenger was silent with grief. Maymunah said: Allah's Messenger, I find a change in your mood today. Allah's Messenger said: Gabriel had promised me that he would meet me last night, but he did not meet me. By Allah, he never broke his promises; and Allah's Messenger spent the day in this sad (mood). Then it occurred to him that there had been a puppy under their cot. He gave an order and it was turned out. He then took some water in his hand and sprinkled it on the place. When it was evening Gabriel met him and he said to him: You promised me that you would meet me the previous night. He said: Yes, but we do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture. So the very next morning he commanded the dogs to be killed. He announced that the dog kept for the orchards should also be killed, but he spared the dog used for the protection of extensive fields (or big gardens).

Hadith - At-Tirmidhi

"On the Day of Resurrection a neck will stretch forth from Hell; it will have two eyes to see, two ears to hear, and a tongue to speak. It will say, "I have been appointed to take care of three types of people: every arrogant tyrant, every person who called on some deity other than Allaah (swt) and those who made pictures" [at-Tirmidhi stated that this hadith was saheeh - at-Takhweef min an-Naar, p.179, See also Jaami' al-Usool, 10/518, the editor said its isnaad is hasan]


But wait dont tell me. akram awan knows better than the long line of scholars going back to the Prophet , and akram awan knows better than them that these hadith mean something different right?

and you know very well that akram awan isnt even an alim but claims to have received his knowledge of quran and hadith through the unseen.

[dhYTvlAv]

in case you dont know about the painting then here it is. he claims that a mureed painted it for him. do these people care even a little bit of the shariah?



this akram awan is a charlatan. a very rich charlatan in fact.

if anyone is doubting this then enquire from the ulama of pakistan.

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Br flawedmind,

A number of points for you to consider:

1. If you truly consider yourself to be "flawedmind", don't consider your kashf of any worth nor can you give credit to the strong kashf of many thousands.

2. Your criteria for Akram Awan is many thousands of followers. Does Allah not say, "And if you obey the majority of those on earth, they will misguide you from the path of Allah"? In that case, there are many with a larger following than Akram Awan such as Nazim Haqqani; is that proof of his reliability? And I'm sure his followers claim kashf and a whole load of irrelevant matters with respect to ascertaining haqq from baatil...

3. When there is flagrant violation of the Sharia and the Prophetic Sunna, there is no need to substantiate anything through kashf or the like. I have yet to see or hear one mureed of Akram Awan praise him in light of his strict adherence to the Sunna, which is all and end of all for Deobandi mashaaikh. It's always about how powerful the dhikr is and kashf etc. Mawlana Fadhlur Rahman Gunj Muradabadi rahimahullah, the great Naqshbandi shaykh of the fourteenth century hijri, said, "When a person begins to emulate the apparent actions of Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wasallam with ease and without any difficulty, this is fanaa fil rasool; it is nothing besides this." Compare this with the Owaisi concept of fanaa fil rasool I.e. making direct bayat with Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wasallam in mukashafa, regardless of how far this person may be in action from the blessed Sunna.

4. Bragging about kashf and other spiritual experiences is quite prevalent among Akram Awan mureeds. I'm sure if it is against your tarbiya to relate the details of your kashfs, it is also against your tarbiya - or at least it should be - to mention you have kashf in the first place.

5. There are many things that can be said regarding the Owaisi silsilah. Much has been said on previous threads so there's no need to repeat all that. Nonetheless, it is important to note that many senior ulama have expressed their reservations and serious concerns regarding this silsilah, and that it should be avoided totally, in light of which, your kashf has no credibility.

People really need to do some "kashf" of their eyes before going on to any other form of kashf....

[Noxassope]

Shaikh Akram Awan sahb has written Tafsir of Quran, and has recently came out with Translation of Quran as well. Please donot say, some of his sub-ordinate has written it.

Dear Respected Brother in Islam,

I hope that you will read my responses with an open and NOT a flawedmind, Insha’Allah.

Writing Tafseer of Qur’aan:

1. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani (Curse of Allah (SWT) be upon the liars)) KAAFIR supposidly wrote a Tafseer of the Qur'aan entitled "Tafsserul-Qur'aan" tranlated into English by Chaudhry Sir Muhammad Zafarullah Khan
2. The notes of Mirza Basheer-ud-Din Mahmood Ahmad (Curse of Allah (SWT) be upon the liars)) KAAFIR were compiled as two separate Tafseers i.e. Tafseer-e-Kabeer and then later summarised as Tafseer-e-Sagheer
3. Muhammad Ali (Curse of Allah (SWT) be upon the liars)) KAAFIR wrote an Urdu & English translation of the Qur'aan available at amazon

So have the Qadiyanees become Muslim by authoring Tafseers and Translations of the Qur'aan? And don't think that I am making Takfeer (i.e. calling any of the Owaises Kaafirs) I am giving you something to think about, thats all.

Asalam o Aleikum brothers and sisters.


I too am by the will of Allah swt, a sahib e Kashf, and by yet I have not seen a single thing in my Shaykh which is against the Shariat. And yes he is not a typical Pir Faqir, he has MashAllah great 'Zauq' for everything.

Kashf by Non-Muslim:

The story of Ibn Sayyad (of Madina) is well known in books of Hadeeth and here is an Authentic Narration from Saheeh Muslim of just one incident of his Kashf

Sayyidina Abu Sa'id (RA) reported that Allah's Messenger met him (Ibn Sayyad) and so did Abu Bakr and 'Umar on some of the roads of Medina. Allah's Messenger said: Do you bear testimony to the fact that I am the Messenger of Allah? Thereupon he said: Do you bear testimony to the fact that I am the messenger of Allah? Thereupon Allah's Messenger said: I affirm my faith in Allah and in His Angels and in His Books, and what do you see? He said: I see the throne over water. Whereupon Allah's Messenger said: You see the throne of Iblis upon the water, and what else do you see? He said: I see two truthfuls and a liar or two liars and one truthful. Thereupon Allah's Messenger said: Leave him He has been confounded. [Muslim]

1. Do you have a problem with Hadeeth of Saheeh Muslim?
2. Do you deny that Sayyidina Rasul-ullah confirmed the Kashf of a Non-Muslim in this Hadeeth
3. If you don't deny any of this then do you accept that Kashf means nothing?

I would like some intelligent responses from you, Insha'Allah.