[FallJimerks]

Why is it that the janazah of bandits or pirates is not read? Even the janazah of the one who did not pray is read, so what is the specific reason here. When they are considered to be rebels against Allah and His Rasool , is this equivelant to apostasy?

[mikeyyuiok]

The below is an extract from Umdat As Salik (Reliance of a Traveller), it mentions why dacoits are worse than normal robbers.


015.0 THE PENALTY FOR HIGHWAY ROBBERY

015.1 The caliph is obliged to summon whoever uses a weapon (though force suffices to be considered a weapon, or taking money by dint of one's fists) and makes people afraid to use the road (no matter whether in the wilderness, a village, or in the country; meaning he frightens those who pass along the way by means of his strength or weapons). If the highwayman responds to the summons before he has injured anyone, then he is only disciplined (def: 017). If he steals the equivalent of 1.058 grams of gold under the previously mentioned conditions (014.1), both his right hand and left foot are amputated.

(A: The difference between a highwayman and someone who takes by forcible seizure is that the latter does so within earshot of help, while the offense of the highwayman is far greater because he menaces the lifeline of the community, its trade routes.)

015.2 If a highwayman kills someone, he must be executed, even when the person entitled to retaliation (def: 03) agrees to forgo it. If the highwayman robs and kills, he is killed and then left crucified for three days. If he wounds or maims someone, retaliation is taken against him, though it may be waived by those entitled to take it. 015.3 (N: The penalty for highway robbery, such as mandatory execution, crucifixion, and amputating the hand and foot, is cancelled if the highwayman repents (A: desists, and gives himself up) before he has been apprehended, though he is still liable to retaliation (def: 03) by parties entitled to it (A: for injuries or deaths he caused to victims) and is financially responsible for restoring the money he has taken.)

[Grapappytek]

I think I've read/heard somewhere that that's due to the evil of their crime, and to show how despicable it is. But one would still remain a Muslim.
Otherwise every sinner, rebelling with his sin to Allah and His Messenger would be considered an apostate...

[mikeyyuiok]

I think I've read/heard somewhere that that's due to the evil of their crime, and to show how despicable it is. But one would still remain a Muslim.
Otherwise every sinner, rebelling with his sin to Allah and His Messenger would be considered an apostate...

Bro, who was the highway robber who did tauba and became a great scholar? Was it Fudayl ibn Iyad(ra)?

[Grapappytek]

Bro, who was the highway robber who did tauba and became a great scholar? Was it Fudayl ibn Iyad(ra)?

You ask the wrong person brother, anyway Google seems to confirm it..

[mikeyyuiok]

You ask the wrong person brother, anyway Google seems to confirm it..

Yes bro, its posted in our forum itself: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...l=1#post579851


Many of the people were highway robbers. al-Fudayl bin ‘Iyad was a highway robber, and one night, he came up to a house that he wanted to rob, only to find its owner standing up at night in prayer, reciting:

{“Has not the time come for the hearts of those who to be affected by Allah’s Reminder and that which has been revealed of the truth, lest they become as those who received the Scripture before, and the term was prolonged for them, and their hearts were hardened? And many of them were sinners.”} [al-Hadid; 16]

He then said: “Yes, the time has come!” And he repented on the wall of the very house he was about to rob, and became al-Fudayl bin ‘Iyad, the greatest of worshippers and ascetics, and from the greatest of scholars and Muhaddithin!

[FallJimerks]

So didn't Lal Masjid pass a fatwa that the one who helps US against mujahideen will not have be prayed over in the same way a bandit is not prayed over? If so, does this mean they did not believe in their takfeer whilst believing what they did was haraam?

[Grapappytek]

So didn't Lal Masjid pass a fatwa that the one who helps US against mujahideen will not have be prayed over in the same way a bandit is not prayed over? If so, does this mean they did not believe in their takfeer whilst believing what they did was haraam?

It seems they just made a comparison, but the reason for those helping US against Mujahiding not being prayed over is due to their action being kufr.
While the bandits are not prayed over to show how disliked such action is.
Then they made a link in form of a comparison "as it happens for..".
While in the first case it is kufr..

Allah knows best, I'm not a scholar by any chance..

[FallJimerks]

It seems they just made a comparison, but the reason for those helping US against Mujahiding not being prayed over is due to their action being kufr.
While the bandits are not prayed over to show how disliked such action is.
Then they made a link in form of a comparison "as it happens for..".
While in the first case it is kufr..

Allah knows best, I'm not a scholar by any chance..

Shame most scholars wouldn't actually answer the question

And Allah knows best