[bingookenoo]

I am a newly practicing Muslim and would just like to clarify a few things about the salafi's and sunni's.

Sunni - So do these say that we follow Islam according to the way of the prophet and his companions and the tabi'ee but through the understanding of the 4 madhaib ? And because no one alive today can properly understand the way of the prophet and his companions he therefor must do taqleed os a madhab ?

Salaf - Do these say that we follow the way of the prophet and his companions and the tabi'ee but not through any particular madhab, we just follow it generally how it should be understood in the clear and apparent (dhaahir) way ?

Am I right, if not then let me know the proper brief and UNBIASED definitions please.

Edit: Does anyone know what Abu Mussab Wajdi Akkari is ?

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Asalaam

Salafis are sunni, most if not all of what they follow is from the hanbali madhab, in the hanbali madhab extreme taqleed is not emphasised as much (correct me if I'm wrong), you get extreme salafis and extreme sufis though so stick to the middle path.

there are 3 main belief systems just like madhab for jurispudance:
Ashari-
Maturidi- from the sub continent hanafis tend to be maturidi
Athari- salafies are athari just like imam Ahmed ibn Hanbal and many other hanbalis

A person can be in any of the 3 and be righteous though you may get extreme guys in each.




Abu Mussab Wajdi Akkari is someone who I'll advise you to stay away from.
Wasalaam

[LClan439]

I am a newly practicing Muslim and would just like to clarify a few things about the salafi's and sunni's.

Sunni - So do these say that we follow Islam according to the way of the prophet and his companions and the tabi'ee but through the understanding of the 4 madhaib ? And because no one alive today can properly understand the way of the prophet and his companions he therefor must do taqleed os a madhab ?

Salaf - Do these say that we follow the way of the prophet and his companions and the tabi'ee but not through any particular madhab, we just follow it generally how it should be understood in the clear and apparent (dhaahir) way ?

Am I right, if not then let me know the proper brief and UNBIASED definitions please.

Edit: Does anyone know what Abu Mussab Wajdi Akkari is ?

http://askimam.org/public/question_detail/17951


In summary, follow the concluding advice given by Ulama in the link regarding Salafis (and Abu Mus'ab Wajdi Akkari):

Considering the above, we advice you to not go in the lessons conducted by the Salafīs as you may not be able to distinguish between their views and the correct views of the vast majority of the mainstream scholars. However, it is extremely important that good relations and proper etiquettes be maintained when conversing and interacting with the Salafīs. Disagreement cannot and should not be an excuse for disrespect of any kind.

[86GlSqSK]

I am a newly practicing Muslim and would just like to clarify a few things about the salafi's and sunni's.

Sunni - So do these say that we follow Islam according to the way of the prophet and his companions and the tabi'ee but through the understanding of the 4 madhaib ? And because no one alive today can properly understand the way of the prophet and his companions he therefor must do taqleed os a madhab ?

Salaf - Do these say that we follow the way of the prophet and his companions and the tabi'ee but not through any particular madhab, we just follow it generally how it should be understood in the clear and apparent (dhaahir) way ?

Am I right, if not then let me know the proper brief and UNBIASED definitions please.

Edit: Does anyone know what Abu Mussab Wajdi Akkari is ?

Salafi dont follow any Madhab like Hanfi, Shafee, Hamli, Maliki they say this is Shirk
Sunni Follow madhab most of the muslim around world follow Hanfi Fiaqh

Fiqah is nothing but scholar's of Islam Like Imama Abu Hanifa, Imam Shafee, Imam Mliki, Imam Hamble Rahimatullah Alyeh...

Salaf says no need to follow Imam we have to follow Quran Hadith That's it.
but sunni also says the same thing but they say these are the scholar's they i.e. Imam Abu Hanfia is tabyee they have seen sahaba's so they have seen from eyes what to follow how to follow
In other words if we get sick then normally we go to doctor the same case in Deen Islam if we need to understand quran hadith we cant understand directly reading only like we don't take medicine after reading the doctor's book we have to go to doctor and because these 4 Imam are scholar's of deen so we will understand beter what is deen islam
Sunni never said we have to follow the Imam only sunni also says we have to follow Nabi SAW and sahaba but some people created misunderstanding about Fiqah about 4 Imam.

If need any clarification Inshaallah we ll try to do

[Kubasarika]

Go through this book and than pose question.
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...uhammad-Sajaad
Both are sunni. One have the tendency to suffer from ignorance and arrogance and the other is a tried and tested system.
One is open to manipulation as it allows half baked psudo scholars to express a view allowing enemies of Islam to dismentle science from within.

[DrKirkNoliss]

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...alafism./page2

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Sunni - So do these say that we follow Islam according to the way of the prophet and his companions and the tabi'ee but through the understanding of the 4 madhaib ? And because no one alive today can properly understand the way of the prophet and his companions he therefor must do taqleed os a madhab ?

Brother how can you tackle Qadyani, Mushirk Barelvi, etc. because according to you and your friends we can't understand the way of Prophet and his companions and there is no instructions available from 4 Imams regarding to them.


Who told you this that we can't understand the way of the prophet and his companions. Stay away from this approach, it is the methodology of "Ahle Bidat" to legitimatize their bidat.

The Quran is apparent, the Hadith is apparent. We only follow the scholar in unclear Fiqhi issues.

What is the meaning of these Ahadith:

The Prophet sallallâhu ’alayhi wa sallam said:
“I advise you to have taqwâ of Allâh and to hear and to obey, even if an Abyssinian slave becomes your leader. Those of you who live long after me will see a lot of differences, so hold fast to my Sunnah and to the Sunnah of the Rightly-Guided Khalîfahs after me. Cling to it tightly and beware of newly-invented matters, for every newly invented matter is an innovation, and every innovation is misguidance, and all misguidance is in the Fire. Abû Dâwûd (no.4607), at-Tirmidhî (no.2676)

He sallallâhu ’alayhi wa sallam also said:
“Indeed, the people of the Book before you split-up into seventy-two sects. And this nation will split-up into seventy-three sects, seventy two are in the Fire and one is in Paradise.” [1] And in another narration: “All of them are in the Fire except one.” It was asked: Who is that one? He replied: “That which I and my Companions are upon. [2]
[1] Abû Dâwûd (no.4597) and Ahmad (4/102)
[2] Tirmidhî (5/62) and al-Hâkim (1/128)

Ibn Mas’ûd - radiallâhu ’anhu - said:
Allâh’s Messenger sallallâhu ’alayhi wa sallam drew a line for us and then said: “This is Allâh’s Path.” Then he drew lines to its right and its left, and said: “These are differing paths, upon each of them there is a shaytân (devil) calling to it.” Then he recited: “And verily this is My Path, so follow it, and do not follow other paths for they will seperate you away from His Path.”

[bingookenoo]

Is there anything wrong with the following issues:

I follow the Quran according to the understanding of the sunnah of the Prophet pbuh and his companions. As for issues which are unclear and we need scholars for, then I will not blindly follow a madhab, rather I will look at the views of the scholars on the issue and follow the one with the most evidence or whichever makes most sense to me. This way I am not taking fiqh into my own hands and neither am I blindly follow a madhab ?

Anything wrong with this ?

[radicalvolume]

As-salamu alaykum,

Inshallah keep in mind about this Hadith concerning grey areas:

In Sahih Bukhari, narrated by An-Nu’man bin Bashir:

I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, ‘Both legal and illegal things are evident but in between them there are doubtful (suspicious) things and most of the people have no knowledge about them. So whoever saves himself from these suspicious things saves his religion and his honor. And whoever indulges in these suspicious things is like a shepherd who grazes (his animals) near the Hima (private pasture) of someone else and at any moment he is liable to get in it. (O people!) Beware! Every king has a Hima and the Hima of Allah on the earth is His illegal (forbidden) things. Beware! There is a piece of flesh in the body if it becomes good (reformed) the whole body becomes good but if it gets spoilt the whole body gets spoilt and that is the heart.

[sarasaraseda]

Where can i find d hadith in which Prophet Mohammed s.a.w was describing d signs/qualities of Munafiq as "NEITHER THIS WAY NOR THat"

[FailiaFelay]

Is there anything wrong with the following issues:

I follow the Quran according to the understanding of the sunnah of the Prophet pbuh and his companions. As for issues which are unclear and we need scholars for, then I will not blindly follow a madhab, rather I will look at the views of the scholars on the issue and follow the one with the most evidence or whichever makes most sense to me. This way I am not taking fiqh into my own hands and neither am I blindly follow a madhab ?

Anything wrong with this ?

Yes, in particular with the underlined part.

We non-scholars don't have the competencies to understand which position really has the most evidences, nor "making sense" to us is a criteria ever considered in Islam.

Just follow reliable scholars you have trust in, and avoid pick&choose and do-it-yourself Islam..

[bingookenoo]

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[brraverishhh]

But you are telling me to put my trust in a scholar blindly and follow him, to me this is absurd. Allah has given us all intellect, how can you say we non scholars are not even capable of reading the different peoples opinions and picking the most convincing, surely that is better than picking a random scholar and following him blindly ?
This way our reply to Allah will be "I researched all the scholars opinions and followed the one who's evidenced convinced me the most" rather than "I blindly followed so and so" ?

I admit we aren't scholars but I think it is too far to say we can't even understand the various arguments and pick the most credible in our eyes. And if there is someone who cannot do that then surely the solution is to educate yourself to a very basic level and not blind follow.

Does anyone get my point of view ?

Read this book:
http://siiasi.org/wp-content/uploads...al-Bassair.pdf