[acneman]

Some people say that the attahiyat was a conversation held by Allah and The nabi Muhammad (peace be upon him0 along with the angels of the night of Miraj.

Our local imam teaching us the salaah told us last night that this is a fabrication and we should not beleive that this happened.

Can anyone shed some more light on this issue?

[Soypopetype]

There is no mention of this in any of the books of hadith.
It is very famous, even quoted in a number of books of fiqh, however no-one has mentioned a source for it.

[acneman]

Our Imam mentioned the many famouse books on Tasawwuf in which it is mentioned (i cant recall them right now)

It's a shame because some passionate brothers really beleive it because on paper it sounds really nice and does not sound far fetched....

I am always amazed by the amount of fabrications flying around nowadays ..

I can fathom how any scholar who would write a kitaab can knowingly add a sensational fabrication to his book.......

[Soypopetype]

They don't add fabrications to ther books deliberately.
Hadith, especially distinguishing strong from weak, is not everyones cup of tea.

[BliliBoopsy]

There is no mention of this in any of the books of hadith.
It is very famous, even quoted in a number of books of fiqh, however no-one has mentioned a source for it. So what does this mean? Should we believe the incident possibly occured even if their is no hadith? Should we quote the incident?

Seems like the Salafis are right to some extent sometimes, plenty of the things I grew up learning to be based on hadith or sunnah turn out not to be.

[Theorsell]

Soofi Sahib, what is the correct narration related to 'attahiyaat'??

where is the dua from/origin etc?

[Sowsunese]

Soofi Sahib, what is the correct narration related to 'attahiyaat'??

where is the dua from/origin etc?

Asslamo Allaikum,

Soofi Saheb please correct it if it is wrong...

http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/Back2Basics.pdf

‏حدثنا ‏ ‏أبو نعيم ‏ ‏قال حدثنا ‏ ‏الأعمش ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏شقيق بن سلمة ‏ ‏قال قال ‏ ‏عبد الله ‏
‏كنا إذا صلينا خلف النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏قلنا السلام على ‏ ‏جبريل ‏ ‏وميكائيل ‏ ‏السلام على فلان وفلان فالتفت إلينا رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏فقال ‏ ‏إن الله هو السلام فإذا صلى أحدكم فليقل التحيات لله والصلوات والطيبات السلام عليك أيها النبي ورحمة الله وبركاته السلام علينا وعلى عباد الله الصالحين فإنكم إذا قلتموها أصابت كل عبد لله صالح في السماء والأرض أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأشهد أن ‏ ‏محمدا ‏ ‏عبده ورسوله ‏
Saheeh Bukhari

[Soypopetype]

So what does this mean? Should we believe the incident possibly occured even if their is no hadith? Should we quote the incident?

Seems like the Salafis are right to some extent sometimes, plenty of the things I grew up learning to be based on hadith or sunnah turn out not to be.

It isn't permissible to attribute something to Allah Ta'ala and/or Nabi without proof of it.
We should not quote this narration, neither should we believe that it occured.

It isn't a Salafi thing, instead in every era there are Muhaqqiq Ulama (Ulama who are solid researchers) who bring to the attention of people such practices and beliefs that have no basis.

In the recent past, Ml. Anwar Shah Kashmiri was one such Muhaqqiq, followed by his student Allamah Binnori. They were the ones who brought this narration to the attention of the Ulama and mentioned that they were unable to find any basis for it.

Even today, there exist a number of Muhaqqiq Ulama, from amongst them our respected teacher, Ml. Fazlur Rahman Azmi, the Shaikh al-Hadith of Azadville Darul Ulum.

Instead of feeling down and despondent when being informed that such practices are not correct, we should feel reassured that our Ulama aren't just accepting everything being passed down to them, instead they are constantly scrutinising every practice and belief to ensure that we are following that which is completely correct.

[Soypopetype]

Soofi Sahib, what is the correct narration related to 'attahiyaat'??

where is the dua from/origin etc?

Brother Muadh has supplied the correct source of the attahiyat.

If he posts the translation as well, it would be more beneficial.

[xkQCaS4w]

There is no mention of this in any of the books of hadith.
It is very famous, even quoted in a number of books of fiqh, however no-one has mentioned a source for it.

Well I know the Muwatta isn't strictly speaking a book of hadith, but it's in there, isn't it?

[bugagasikaga]

translation of hadith given by uncle maudh

"Whenever we prayed behind the Prophet(s.a.s) we used to recite (in sitting)
'Peace be on Gabriel(a.s), Mikael(a.s), peace be on so and so. Once Allah's Apostle looked back at us and said, 'Allah Himself is As-Salam (Peace), and if anyone of you prays then he should say, At-Tahiyatu lil-lahi wassalawatu wat-taiyibatu. As Salamu 'alalika aiyuha-n-Nabiyu wa rahmatu-l-lahi wa barakatuhu. As-Salam alaina wa ala ibadil-lah is-salihin. (All the compliments, prayers and good things are due to Allah: peace be on you, O Prophet and Allah's mercy and blessings be on you. Peace be on us and on the true pious slaves of Allah). (If you say that, it will be for all the slaves in the heaven and the earth). Ash-hadu an la-ilaha illa-l-lahu wa ash-hadu anna Muhammadan 'abduhu wa Rasuluhu. (I testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and I also testify that Muhammad is His slave and His Apostle).' "

[Info-phone]

Some people say that the attahiyat was a conversation held by Allah and The nabi Muhammad (peace be upon him0 along with the angels of the night of Miraj.

Can you please elaborate on that? Because I always was in the misunderstanding that the attahiyat has something to do with Nabi Ibrahim (alayhis salam), but this version is new to me. Just curious.

[seicslybearee]

Some people say that the attahiyat was a conversation held by Allah and The nabi Muhammad (peace be upon him0 along with the angels of the night of Miraj.

My friend is quite knowledgeable and he holds this belief, but wait until i tell him its a fabrication....

Even though i kind of held the above position, i have never propagated it Alhamdulillah.

for letting us know.

[Sowsunese]

Well I know the Muwatta isn't strictly speaking a book of hadith, but it's in there, isn't it?

Asslamo Allaikum,

1) Muwatta is a book of Hadeeth.

2) Imam Shafi'i (RA) said that "There is not on the face of the earth-& after the Book of Allah-a book & which is more authentic than the book of Malik."

Which Narration in Muwatta points to this matter?

[Soypopetype]

Well I know the Muwatta isn't strictly speaking a book of hadith, but it's in there, isn't it?

The Mu'atta is indeed a book of hadith.
Where in the Mu'atta is this mentioned?

[xkQCaS4w]

No, the Muwatta is not merely a book of hadith. It is a formulation of law derived from both hadith and other sources. It merely contains a lot of hadith

The attahiyat is definitely mentioned in there, it contains the supplication read by Aisha ra and also that of Umar ibn al Khattab ra, if I remember correctly.

[Info-phone]

Isn't the Muwatta Malik called the first compilation of Ahadith ever?

[xkQCaS4w]

Here you go, the section on tashahhud complete with at-tahiyat in the Muwatta:

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3.13 Tashahhud in the Prayer

56 Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab from 'Urwa ibn az-Zubayr from 'Abd ar-Rahman ibn 'Abd al-Qari that he heard 'Umar ibn al-Khattab say, while he was teaching people the tashahhud from the minbar, "Say: 'Greetings belong to Allah. Pure actions belong to Allah. Good words and prayers belong to Allah. Peace on you, Prophet, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings. Peace be upon us and on the slaves of Allah who are right-acting. I testify that there is no god except Allah. And I testify that Muhammad is His slave and His Messenger.'"

"At-tahiyatu lillah, az-zakiyatu lillah, at-tayibatu wa's-salawatu lillah. As-salamu 'alayka ayyuha'n-nabiyyu wa rahmatu'llahi wa barakatuhu. As-salamu 'alayna wa 'ala 'ibadi'llahi's-salihin. Ash-hadu an la ilaha illa 'llah wa ash-hadu anna Muhammadan 'abduhu wa rasuluh."

[Ash-shafi'i relates it in the Risala.]

57 Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi' that 'Abdullah ibn 'Umar used to say the tashahhud saying, "In the Name of Allah. Greetings belong to Allah. Prayers belong to Allah. Pure actions belong to Allah. Peace be on the Prophet and the mercy of Allah and His blessings. Peace be on us and on the slaves of Allah who are right-acting. I testify that there is no god except Allah. I testify that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah."

"Bismillah, at-tahiyatu lillah, as-salawatu lillah, az-zakiyatu lillah. As-salamu 'ala'n-nabiyyi wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu. As-salamu 'alayna wa 'ala 'ibadi'llahi's-salihin. Shahidtu an la ilaha illallah. Shahidtu anna Muhammadan rasulu'llah."

He used to say this after the first two rak'ats and he would make supplication with whatever seemed fit to him when the tashahhud was completed. When he sat at the end of the prayer, he did the tashahhud in a similar manner, except that after the tashahhud he made supplication with whatever seemed fit to him. When he had completed the tashahhud and intended to say the taslim, he said, "Peace be on the Prophet and His mercy and blessings. Peace be upon us and on the slaves of Allah who are right-acting."

"As-salamu 'ala'n-nabiyyi wa rahmatu'llahi wa barakatuhu. As-salamu 'alayna wa 'ala 'ibadi'llahi's-salihin."

He then said, "Peace be upon you" to his right, and would return the greeting to the imam, and if anyone said "Peace be upon you" from his left he would return the greeting to him.

58 Yahya related to me from Malik from 'Abd ar-Rahman ibn al-Qasim from his father that 'A'isha, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, used to say in the tashahhud, "Greetings, good words, prayers, pure actions belong to Allah. I testify that there is no god except Allah, alone without partner, and that Muhammad is His slave and His Messenger. Peace be on you, Prophet, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings. Peace be on us and on the slaves of Allah who are right-acting. Peace be upon you."

"At-tahiyatu, at-tayibatu, as-salawatu, az-zakiyatu lillah. Ash-hadu an la ilaha illa'llah, wahdahu la sharika lah, wa anna Muhammadan 'abduhu wa rasuluhu. As-salamu 'alayka ayyuha'n-nabiyyu wa rahmatu'llahi wa barakatuhu. As-salamu 'alayna wa 'ala 'ibadi'llahi's-salihin. As-salamu 'alaykum."

59 Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Sa'id al-Ansari that al-Qasim ibn Muhammad ibn Muhammad told him that 'A'isha, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, used to say in the tashahhud, "Greetings, good words, prayers, pure actions belong to Allah. I testify that there is no god except Allah, alone without partner, and I testify that Muhammad is the slave of Allah and His Messenger. Peace be upon you, Prophet, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings. Peace be upon us and on the slaves of Allah who are right-acting. Peace be upon you."

"At-tahiyatu, at-tayibatu, as-salawatu, az-zakiyatu lillah. Ash-hadu an la ilaha illa'llah, wahdahu la sharika lah wa ash-hadu anna Muhammadan 'abduhu wa rasuluhu. As-salamu 'alayka ayyuha'n-nabiyyu wa rahmatu'llahi wa barakatuhu. As-salamu 'alayna wa 'ala 'ibadi-llahi's-salihin. As-salamu 'alaykum."

60 Yahya related to me from Malik that he asked Ibn Shihab and Nafi', the mawla of Ibn 'Umar, whether a man who joined an imam who had already done a rak'a should say the tashahhud with the imam in the second and fourth rak'as, even though these were odd for him? They said, "He should say the tashahhud with him."

Malik said, "That is the position with us."

[xkQCaS4w]

Isn't the Muwatta Malik called the first compilation of Ahadith ever?

NO, why do people keep repeating this half-understanding? It has ahadith but more importantly it has fiqh. It is a formulation of law. The Imam's intention in compiling it was not to present a book of ahadith.

Also, there were earlier compilations of ahadith, whether they survive is another matter : )

[monologue]

Here you go, the section on tashahhud complete with at-tahiyat in the Muwatta:

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Original post is about this dua of Tashahhud being given to Prophet when He went on Miraj. Is there any hadith that metion this incident? It is mentioned in some books of fiqh like Fatawa Alamgeri and Fatawa Shami, but no hadith/source to back it up.