[Ephejvll]

Contemporary Muslim invention lists are growing. It'll take time to properly take of. It's like building a tower, you have to have a strong foundation first, then build upon that. Patience is the key and no need to rush. we'll be there.

Allah Knows Best.

[no02rSx2]

Brother I honestly can't remember a time where I have had negative thoughts like reverts?
Are we not supposed to worry about our own actions?
And most of the time the people who do say these things are the ones who are doing nothing for this religion.
I don't mean to be disrespectful, but reverts attitude stinks!!
In another thread I remember him calling someone a village idiot..
Everyone has their own opinions, but to act this way is only making us look arrogant & pathetic when we should be making a good example to the non believers..
Then revert you start threads about dawa?
Brother I think a reality check is in order..

Dawood did distress me initially by the OP.
Only later I realized that he was only letting out his frustration.
And that is what we should take it as - his frustration at the state of affairs.
And this means a lot.
There are about a thousand things about which yours truly feels worked up.
Unfortunately yours truly can not do much about most of them.
And in those lucky cases when yours truly can do some thing yours truly did not do do much.
Plain inaction. No higher or deep explanations.
In in those lucky cases where yours truly did manage to leave the couch the result were hardly fantastic.
If the truth be told then contribution of yours truly to the good that is there in this world is cipher, zilch, zero, null and nill.
I can not be one of those who'll be tough on Dawood (Revert2001) or any other brother making the same assertion that he has. He does have a point. For a sinner like yours truly this is contribution enough.

I'll take the opportunity to say a few words about Dawood's personal things. I had read a novel in which a man lost interest in his wife. This was a situation in which you could not blame either one of them. That is life. But there is more to it. The wife, out of hurt, became bitter. She told him that I'll reduce you to penury.
Being a lawyer she did precisely that - reduce him to penury. This is merely fiction but this is what yours truly remembered when Dawood told his story. His wife walked out on him when he needed her the most and has managed to turn his children against him. I do not think we can explore these things much further for these are personal matters but in my opinionated stand Dawood has paid a little price for being a Muslim. My hugs.

Coming back to the subject of the OP.

Yours truly is the sinner who has most recently talked about the Muslim scientific achievements in past. I seek your indulgence while I attempt to defend my actions.

It is a desire of yours truly that Muslims today be as versatile in the sciences of the present times as they have been in the past. In this contest they need motivation. This motivation is at its Nadir in the present time. To motivate people is a difficult thing. It is difficult even in the west - our present day model of success. You have a whole spectrum of people ranging from professionally trained psychologists to the imported spiritual leaders of semi-legitimate type. I suppose we Muslims too can do with a little bit of motivational boost - it is like charging of battery, the battery which is completely down for we have left science for about five hundred years. That is not a short duration.

Yours truly has been dabbling in these things for a long time and is still surprise by the things that we unearth about past Muslim science. My impression is that it will do a lot to boost the morale of our youngsters.

Only if they could be motivated. The relevant thread was created by brother Abdus Samad Clarke in 2007 and it has gathered precious 2600 views since then. So Dawood can feel the nausea on at the lack of assertion on our part in indulging in pursuit of science but not at the fact that I, or anybody else for that matter, bring up the topic of Muslim scientific achievements in the past.

I'll use this opportunity to add some remarks about my own personal preferences. The problems that are being discussed in the present thread are precisely the ones that incite the fancy of yours truly - how and why Muslims should take up science in a big way. Yours truly's participation in other topics is purely incidental. Unfortunately we do not have much focus on these things here ( so thanks Dawood for the thread) any theological hair splitting does manage to tickle people's imagination. All Praise is due to Allah (SWT). And in every condition.

[jessyhalm]

Cool, I feel the same. If Islam is so great and it made humans in the past achieve great things why does it not do the same for us? Either we are not good Muslims or we are not doing the right things. I understand that we sometimes need to remember the achievements of our forbears to make ourselves feel good...but we should really get things doing ourselves. Life is short, it can end at any time and we waste much of our time as an ummah doing things that have no benefit at all. We need hot house cultures which raise individuals who are focused, driven and have a vision that transcends petty narrow mindedness. Our conversations in my experience are low level instead of high level inspiring and constructive ones.

Seems like every time I turn around.

I am hearing brothers talk about how the muslims 500 years ago invented this or 1,000 years ago invented that.

You know, the Golden Age of Islam; blah, blah, blah,............yada, yada, yada........

Well that's all fine and dandy.

But I just want to yell at them and say, "What have we done lately"!!

[sam]

So many lectures nowadays on past personalities (salah ud deen, inventors,...) yet most do not have the zeal to really change things. We've become consumer like westerners.

[suingincentix]

Dawood did distress me initially by the OP.
Only later I realized that he was only letting out his frustration.
And that is what we should take it as - his frustration at the state of affairs.
And this means a lot.

When I accepted Islam I joined joined a winning team.

We have lots of potential. But it's like our will to win has been side lined.

Time to get off the bench and back into the game for the win!!

[BarBoss]

What we have to understand also, is that yes maybe in the field of Islam big scientific discoveries are not being found. Why? Because when you look at much of science today it is only trying to find an explanation scientifically for what we as Muslims call God. They want to be able to disprove a super natural personal being, in order to prove their claims that we have evolved and there exists no creator. So, whilst they delve in to that, yes they the scientists comes across other discoveries on the way. But their intention is incorrect.

What Islam has done for the very foundations of Science, Algebra, Zoology, Biology, Mathematics, astrology to name but a few. Is to have created the foundations and in fact build upon many concepts devised up in the past. I think you have to understand Revert2001 that Islam is not based on the Science, it supports it but its doctrine is not wholly based around it. Like many of the brothers and sisters have previously said, we lack the media limelight in such areas, Arabic, or Islamic sciences or discoveries are not taught in school. You must go out there and search for it.

You shouldn't be sick of hearing about what the Muslims did in the past. The very fact they invented an devised such topics in the past have given rise to a better understanding of them in the 21st century.

This is my take on it. I can sympathies with your frustration but you have to look beyond that and see how it made the very difference in the world

[suingincentix]

Revert since you started this thread & are making many anti Islamic statements..

No, I haven't made any anti-Islamic statements.

I just asked the question, "What have we done lately"?

And to me the obvious answer is, "Not much".

[Jeaxatoem]

No, I haven't made any anti-Islamic statements.

I just asked the question, "What have we done lately"?

And to me the obvious answer is, "Not much".

Why are your even arguing with these people ? They will never drive lessons from Umar Ibn Al Khattab ra

They will keep going with the same rant " 5 pillars of islam " and nothing else.

These people are against innovation , technology , etc

why are you wasting your time with them?

[Jeaxatoem]

The inventive knowledge flows from Allah. When Allah wills, ideas will be revealed to the Muslim minds.

I disagree with you.

Sit in a corner of room and do ALLAH ALLAH . Allah will not reveal idea's to you.

You have to learn a subject , master it and implement it further.

Seriously you muslims should be ashamed of yourself for letting the ummah down.

Now please don't come and attack me . Im not stopping people practicing the 5 pillars of islam.

why can't we be balanced. Deen & Duniya both.

See why muslims are so helpless. we can't simple defend our bases

See Turkey , Learn something from them

[suingincentix]

I agree that Islam is the catalyst that gives us everything we need to succeed in science and technology.

Yet it's like we have all of the ingredients in the cooking pot to make a great dish setting on top of the stove..

But for some unknown reason we have neglected to turn the stove "ON".

So we just set there starving.

And keep bragging about how delicious some meal was that we had in the past.

While begging the kufr to throw us some scraps left over from his last meal.

[CurtisTH]

Revert2001, I'm also a revert from 2001 and I've had the same thoughts you did in your Original Post...

It's time to stop thinking about what we did in the past, and start doing something NOW.

Barak Allahu feek.

[Jeaxatoem]

Revert2001, I'm also a revert from 2001 and I've had the same thoughts you did in your Original Post...

It's time to stop thinking about what we did in the past, and start doing something NOW.

Barak Allahu feek.

The smallest & best advice on this thread.

[adultcheee]

No, I haven't made any anti-Islamic statements.

I just asked the question, "What have we done lately"?

And to me the obvious answer is, "Not much".

so go do something about it my brother its more productive than moaning at others who value our history.

[suingincentix]

For those who have already label me as anti-Islam. You can go fly a kite.

I said my sahada a dozen years ago and paid some heavy personal dues to join the club.

So I am a member whether anyone likes it or not.


Look, muslims don't manufacture or produce anything.

We depend on the kufr for our weapons, cars, trucks, computers, microwaves, cell phones, refrigerators, etc.

Basically, the ummah will always be in the begger's position until we address this issue and become self sufficient.

[suingincentix]

so go do something about it my brother its more productive than moaning at others who value our history.

Listen, I love history.

Knowing a lot about history is great fun and can be mentally stimulating.

But, other than that; it serves no purpose.

[daguy]

I asked you before revert so please answer my question.

What are you doing about making a difference brother?

The things you are talking about is a grain of salt next to culture problems in Islam.
Do you really think that inventing things, having money & power will change anything? NO!
But having minorities split into cultures is what kills Islam.
People need to wake up and realize that when we all die we won't take our countries with us.
I live in Australia & we have 5 masjids in a 10 km radius, out of the 5 four are Turkish?
There are 2 masjids across the road from each other to accommodate these imbeciles that say ohhh, I won't go to an Arabic masjid, I won't go to a Turkish masjid etc....
This alone is the killer of Islam!!!

[CurtisTH]

I asked you before revert so please answer my question.

What are you doing about making a difference brother?

The things you are talking about is a grain of salt next to culture problems in Islam.
Do you really think that inventing things, having money & power will change anything? NO!
But having minorities split into cultures is what kills Islam.
People need to wake up and realize that when we all die we won't take our countries with us.
I live in Australia & we have 5 masjids in a 10 km radius, out of the 5 four are Turkish?
There are 2 masjids across the road from each other to accommodate these imbeciles that say ohhh, I won't go to an Arabic masjid, I won't go to a Turkish masjid etc....
This alone is the killer of Islam!!!

It's not about any one particular Muslim doing something, it's about stop dwelling in the past. You constantly hear people saying "The Muslims did this, the Muslims did that." Yet, they themselves aren't doing anything, only talking about the past. So this is more of a knee-jerk reaction to these people who always bring up the past to stop talking about the past because right now Muslims are at a low, and dwelling in the grandeur of the past does not lead to any new successes.

[suingincentix]

Do you really think that inventing things, having money & power will change anything?

And my answer is an absolutely and unequivocal, Yes!!

The ummah is curently in the position of a begger.............Not good.

So we set around and back bite each other over culture, race, tradition.

It's what people with No power do to each other.

Sad, but true.............

[suingincentix]

I remember when a few months ago Steve Jobs the owner and founder of Apple computers died.

It was revealed on the news that his father was Syrian.

For a week people at the Masjid were endlessly talking and exhibiting great pride in the fact his father was a muslim from Syria.

Yet, they conveniently glossed over the fact that Steve Jobs NEVER even meet his father and knew Zip about Islam.

Heck, he was some kind of buddhist and followed the teachings of a goofy guru.

This just shows me how starved and needy the ummah is for credibility in todays world.

When we seek validation for even the most tenuous of things.

[FateHostera]

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