[8cyVn4RJ]

From Adam to Abraham there was no such thing as Israelites or Jews.

The first Jew was Isaac; the father of the Jews.

Any Prophet from Israel after Isaac was a Jew.

I agree with u but Jew was just the group of people and not the religion actually. But the later on every reader of Torah came to know as Jew.

And, do you have the lineage from Adam (PBUH) to Abraham (PBUH)?

[8cyVn4RJ]

Jew in the sense of his lineage (i.e. Israelite) and tribe, but in Deen (Religion) he was a Muslim.

yea, that's what exactly I mean. Jazak Allah Kher!

[ardsdelinq]

Any temporary 'power' certain nations may seem to have is from Allah (SWT) - the All Powerful. It is His will.

What is the objective here? What are we going to gain by dissecting the power differences between Jews and Muslims? If one group is in open error even after messengers came with Allah's (SWT) message to guide them to back to righteousness... if Allah (SWT) wills, their hearts would be open. He is All Powerful.

Alhamdulillah, we have been blessed to be Muslim and may Allah (SWT) keep us on the path of righteousness, unified and strong. There is no other power. There is no need to be envious of any deceptive power Jews or any other group of people may seem to hold.

[muBXvWIC]

If everyone prays his Salah on time, Muslims will be victorious.

Just looking at my own family members - 13% of the people pray Salah on time. Others dont pray, what you say about this.
Without the fear of Allah, why Muslims need power???

[TainuibeFaimb]

I agree, Muslims needs to start focusing on studies and working harder. Its pretty ironic that the religion whose first revelation was "Iqra" (read), is today the least educated.


We also need to improve on a lot of aspects of the deen, like guarding our salah, and building a strong relationship with the Quran and Sunnah, which a lot of Muslims nowadays seem to lack.

[jessyhalm]

Pharoah had worldly power, so did Abu Jahal. Power is not necessarily a blessing if you do evil with it and you spread evil with it, in the Akhira it will be a source of pain. Bankers who are on paper multi billionaires and who appear to have everything a man could ever want in this world, in the Akhira will be drowning in rivers of blood because of their riba.

If Muslims want Allah SWT to give them power, then they have to elect a leader in their local communities who will TAKE Zakat from them and re-distribute it locally as the Shariah proscribes. They will be ruled by this Amir and his associates, Muslims will build their own institutions like youth hostels, hospitals, schools, prayer rooms etc. And this will empower the Muslims.

[8cyVn4RJ]

I agree, Muslims needs to start focusing on studies and working harder. Its pretty ironic that the religion whose first revelation was "Iqra" (read), is today the least educated.


We also need to improve on a lot of aspects of the deen, like guarding our salah, and building a strong relationship with the Quran and Sunnah, which a lot of Muslims nowadays seem to lack.

Thank u

No matter, whether its deen or duinya's knowledge we are backward in both

[8cyVn4RJ]

Pharoah had worldly power, so did Abu Jahal. Power is not necessarily a blessing if you do evil with it and you spread evil with it, in the Akhira it will be a source of pain. Bankers who are on paper multi billionaires and who appear to have everything a man could ever want in this world, in the Akhira will be drowning in rivers of blood because of their riba.

If Muslims want Allah SWT to give them power, then they have to elect a leader in their local communities who will TAKE Zakat from them and re-distribute it locally as the Shariah proscribes. They will be ruled by this Amir and his associates, Muslims will build their own institutions like youth hostels, hospitals, schools, prayer rooms etc. And this will empower the Muslims.

That's true but over here we are talking about the positives power, Science & Technology. The power we had at the time of Islamic Golden Age.

And for electing the leader who shall we elect??? It's quite hard to follow a political person. May help show us some pious who has the capabilities to become the Caliph- aameen!

And that's also true that when we will have people like Khulfa e Rashideen, Khilafah would be back again.

We have everything, we have a system too but don't we don't have a nation

[suingincentix]

I agree with u but Jew was just the group of people and not the religion actually. But the later on every reader of Torah came to know as Jew.

And, do you have the lineage from Adam (PBUH) to Abraham (PBUH)?

According to Luke 3:23–38 in the Bible:

Adam
Seth
Enosh
Kenan
Mahalalel
Jared
Enoch
Methuselah
Lamech
Noah
Shem
Arphaxad
Cainan
Shelah
Eber
Peleg
Reu
Serug
Nahor
Terah
Abraham

[8cyVn4RJ]

According to Luke 3:23–38 in the Bible:

Adam
Seth
Enosh
Kenan
Mahalalel
Jared
Enoch
Methuselah
Lamech
Noah
Shem
Arphaxad
Cainan
Shelah
Eber
Peleg
Reu
Serug
Nahor
Terah
Abraham

It's like this according to Islam;

Adam
Seth
Enosh
Kenan
Mahalalel
Jared
Enoch
Methuselah
Lamech
Noah
Shem
Arpachshad
Eber
Peleg
Reu
Serug
Nahor
Terah/Azar
Abraham

Anyway, thank you for sharing it!

[payporanymn]

Any temporary 'power' certain nations may seem to have is from Allah (SWT) - the All Powerful. It is His will.

What is the objective here? What are we going to gain by dissecting the power differences between Jews and Muslims? If one group is in open error even after messengers came with Allah's (SWT) message to guide them to back to righteousness... if Allah (SWT) wills, their hearts would be open. He is All Powerful.

Alhamdulillah, we have been blessed to be Muslim and may Allah (SWT) keep us on the path of righteousness, unified and strong. There is no other power. There is no need to be envious of any deceptive power Jews or any other group of people may seem to hold.

ASWW
I would have thought someone would have disagreed with the OP in the first instance.
The "Jews are powerful"
Dominance does not mean powerful. Just greed and immoral thats all.
The world is a big mess and they are responsible for it.
Wars, disease, financial meltdowns, environment etc.
This power is only but temporary and Islam is dominating!!
Slowly but surely InshaAllah!
We dont want and need to be enslaved!- through their system of education. Look at what "boko haraam" in Nigeria are fighting for.
Islam WILL save the world InshaAllah!

[suingincentix]

ASWW
I would have thought someone would have disagreed with the OP in the first instance.
The "Jews are powerful"
Dominance does not mean powerful. Just greed and immoral thats all.
The world is a big mess and they are responsible for it.
Wars, disease, financial meltdowns, environment etc.
This power is only but temporary and Islam is dominating!!
Slowly but surely InshaAllah!
We dont want and need to be enslaved!- through their system of education. Look at what "boko haraam" in Nigeria are fighting for!

You might need to take a reality check brother.

Just saying

[Hbkj89D2]

My thoughts as a non-Muslim about lack of Muslim scientists.

- Muslims have many children/start to have children early -> not much time to study science
- Muslims spend a lot of time praying (5 times) and studying Koran -> not much time to study science
- Muslims believe this earthly life is just a test, real life starts after death -> what's the point to improve life here?
- Muslims believe Allah decides everything/guides everything -> makes people passive
- Muslims are often anti-science e.g. "evolution is evil/a lie"
- Talents of Muslims women are not supported enough, they are supposed to take care of children
- Inbreeding (marrying first cousins) seems to be common, which is bad for the genes and thus health and intelligence, which scientists need. A lot of really talented people are mixtures of many different races (due to gene "refreshment")

I guess this post gets deleted quickly, which is another problem. Islam is not allowed to be viewed critical and therefore
changes are slow/don't take place -> Nothing will change.

[suingincentix]

My thoughts as a non-Muslim about lack of Muslim scientists.

- Muslims have many children/start to have children early -> not much time to study science
- Muslims spend a lot of time praying (5 times) and studying Koran -> not much time to study science
- Muslims believe this earthly life is just a test, real life starts after death -> what's the point to improve life here?
- Muslims believe Allah decides everything/guides everything -> makes people passive
- Muslims are often anti-science e.g. "evolution is evil/a lie"
- Talents of Muslims women are not supported enough, they are supposed to take care of children
- Inbreeding (marrying first cousins) seems to be common, which is bad for the genes and thus health and intelligence, which scientists need. A lot of really talented people are mixtures of many different races (due to gene "refreshment")

I guess this post gets deleted quickly, which is another problem. Islam is not allowed to be viewed critical and therefore
changes are slow/don't take place -> Nothing will change.

The neo-Nazi's just called and said they were looking for their village idiot.

Do you want me to tell them that you are here?

[payporanymn]

You might need to take a reality check brother.

Just saying

ASWW
Well what I meant was any other dominance except Islam.
I hope you agree to that reality brother.

[oemcheapdownload]

My thoughts as a non-Muslim about lack of Muslim scientists.

- Muslims have many children/start to have children early -> not much time to study science
- Muslims spend a lot of time praying (5 times) and studying Koran -> not much time to study science
- Muslims believe this earthly life is just a test, real life starts after death -> what's the point to improve life here?
- Muslims believe Allah decides everything/guides everything -> makes people passive
- Muslims are often anti-science e.g. "evolution is evil/a lie"
- Talents of Muslims women are not supported enough, they are supposed to take care of children
- Inbreeding (marrying first cousins) seems to be common, which is bad for the genes and thus health and intelligence, which scientists need. A lot of really talented people are mixtures of many different races (due to gene "refreshment")

I guess this post gets deleted quickly, which is another problem. Islam is not allowed to be viewed critical and therefore
changes are slow/don't take place -> Nothing will change.

a very small percentage of muslims are practising compared to when the muslims actually took great strides in knowledge.
Many of the scientists of the islamic golden age would have also had great knowledge on islam, in todays times few muslims know the bare basics of how to practise their religion.
inbreeding is not a trait of which is ecouraged in islam and is dependent on the location of the muslim, the practise is widespread in south asia
the muslims on the forum are not reflective of the muslim population.

my personal opinion is that parents don't bring their children up properly, many muslims will work long hours, practise less and do no nurturing of their children, they will also put their children in a public school where they start to rebel. Very few muslims send their children to muslim schools and actively participate in improving their community all they are bothered about is their bank balance and status, whereas jews are very cultured and support their children, they are also active in bettering their community, they send their kids to jewish schools.

All in all jews are bothered about their religion whereas many muslims care about their own culture whether that be pakistani etc.

[suingincentix]

ASWW
Well what I meant was any other dominance except Islam.
I hope you agree to that reality brother.

I agree that Islam will win out in the end.

But right now the reality is that we are pathetically weak and disorganized.

[8cyVn4RJ]

My thoughts as a non-Muslim about lack of Muslim scientists.

- Muslims have many children/start to have children early -> not much time to study science
- Muslims spend a lot of time praying (5 times) and studying Koran -> not much time to study science
- Muslims believe this earthly life is just a test, real life starts after death -> what's the point to improve life here?
- Muslims believe Allah decides everything/guides everything -> makes people passive
- Muslims are often anti-science e.g. "evolution is evil/a lie"
- Talents of Muslims women are not supported enough, they are supposed to take care of children
- Inbreeding (marrying first cousins) seems to be common, which is bad for the genes and thus health and intelligence, which scientists need. A lot of really talented people are mixtures of many different races (due to gene "refreshment")

I guess this post gets deleted quickly, which is another problem. Islam is not allowed to be viewed critical and therefore
changes are slow/don't take place -> Nothing will change.

Your thoughts about the lack of Muslims scientists are failed now

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists

Muslims only have children after marriage and we go for marriage when we are done with our studies.
Muslims have a time to pray and recite Koran and not all the time.
Muslims believe that there are both good and bad ways. Now it's upon us to choose the way. If we do right surely we would get something good and if we do wrong then it's bad for us.
Muslims are not anti-science. (SEE THE LIST ABOVE)
There are lot many talented Muslims who are supporting their and profession and a nice house wife too
Now, that thing is quite rare nowadays. We do marry mostly out of our family.

Don't worry this won't be deleted. We hate bad things and not bad people.

[8cyVn4RJ]

ASWW
I would have thought someone would have disagreed with the OP in the first instance.
The "Jews are powerful"
Dominance does not mean powerful. Just greed and immoral thats all.
The world is a big mess and they are responsible for it.
Wars, disease, financial meltdowns, environment etc.
This power is only but temporary and Islam is dominating!!
Slowly but surely InshaAllah!
We dont want and need to be enslaved!- through their system of education. Look at what "boko haraam" in Nigeria are fighting for.
Islam WILL save the world InshaAllah!

Man I am talking about Science & Technology, educational stuffs and not other things. OK?

InshAllah! we would be back in power again. No worry!

[ardsdelinq]

Some of us who are 'educated' come to realize that we aren't Educated at all... at least I can speak for myself here.

M.Y. - In a weird way, you've hit the same nail that my Muslim brothers on this thread have been hammering and that is exactly what we (Muslims) need... nothing will change until we (Muslims) become Educated in our deen.

I speak for myself before anyone since I am fully aware of my own sins:

• Family is crucial - we need to pay proper attention to the rights of our family members (and others) and our obligations
• Prayers - establish and maintain prayers and all other forms of ibadaat
• Hereafter - we really must focus more on the destination and not worry too much about whether we're riding in a limo or on the back of a donkey
• Signs - Alhamdulillah... we've been given so many favours and signs, and which of them will we deny?
• Muslimahs/sisters - need to be supported in our duties and made aware while also shielded from the deceptiveness of feelings of inadequacy in our most noble roles as mothers, sisters, wives, daughters... (i.e. feeling content rather than feeling like we lack what non-Muslims appear to enjoy)
• Du'aa for our ummah - May Allah (SWT) bless the ummah of Muhammad with strong and pious children who have a thirst for the knowledge of Islam and in whose hearts His noor shines brightly. May they be distinguished, not by gold medals, distinctions and prizes handed out by bani Adam (as) but distinguished in obtaining the pleasure of Allah (SWT). Ameen.