[JulieSmithdccd]

This thread is about how to call modern educated Muslims to put their weight behind Islam.
To many of them take Islam as a burden.
Too many of them take Islam as some sort of outdated ideology.
Too many feel tempted to give Deeni Muslims a lesson or two.
Situation is sort of Judo being applied by the west on Muslims where the weight of Muslims is getting used against them and their religion.
The burden is to bring Muslims out of the Macaulian mindset.

Lord Macaulay
1st Baron Thomas Babington Macaulay, Member of Her Majesty (The Queen of England)'s Most Honourable Privy Council (25 October 1800 – 28 December 1859)'s Minute on Indian Education on February 2, 1935 has the following, by now very infamous, quote:

We must at present do our best to form a class who may be interpreters between us and the millions whom we govern, --a class of persons Indian in blood and colour, but English in tastes, in opinions, in morals and in intellect.

Reference: Bureau of Education. Selections from Educational Records, Part I (1781-1839). Edited by H. Sharp. Calcutta: Superintendent, Government Printing, 1920. Reprint. Delhi: National Archives of India, 1965, 107-117.

By now this is known to nearly everybody in India that he had some hideous plans for intellectual subjugation of Indians. The irony is that by and large Indians in general and Muslims in particular are following the same route-the algorithm proposed by Baron Macaulay. And shamelessly. Your poor Alig would like to say a few things, in later posts, about Macaulian Blogs by Muslims, Lord Most High willing. For now a single comment will be sufficient. Both the Wikipedia page on this ideologue as well as his infamous Minute have the same sugar coating that is so widely used by the US of A and his allies to keep Islam and Muslims under their thumb-including their resources. The differences are very very minor. At that time they were protecting our interests and now they are protecting their interests. For the record tiger has indeed changed its stripes. To conclude if they are protecting their interests shouldn't we have the right to protect our interests? This is a simple idea but from the state of affairs it, for sure, will not sound very sweet to the ears of the beleaguered west. Divide and Rule

British had this hideous policy in India-divide and rule.
It back fired rather badly.
Indians united and gave the exit pass to the British. And Indian Movement for Freedom became a legendary phenomenon. A phenomenon that is still baffling the people who should understand and describe it.
But the hideous mentality of the materialist colonial masters (club them with the rest of Europe and the US) was not frozen.
They continue the their colonialist ambitions by other means. Media and diplomacy.
One division they have created is the division of man and woman.
Women in society are prone to end up in disadvantageous situations. This is a social problem. Should be solved socially. Those who ignore these problems do so that only to their own loss and consternation. And they are answerable on the Day of Judgment.
This situation, that women have problems that are peculiar to them, has been thoroughly exploited to rule the Muslims. Here is a news article, from some time back, where this situation manifests itself.
See how perfectly Lord Macaulay succeeded? The reporter is either Indian or of Indian origin and the activist too is Indian, a Muslim and a woman to boot.

Verily we are for our Lord and unto Him is our return. Macaulian Blogs


These are the blogs by Muslims who further the colonial agenda in an era where colonialism is taking its last breath-even in its economic colonialism phase. Lord Macaulay's bill on educational reforms in India envisioned a class of people in India who were equipped with modern education, who were Indian by their skin colour by western in thought. This was to be supposed to be the vanguard of British Empire in its colonies. What a visionary was lord Macaulay! He is long gone but his ideas are still in action. Talk of eastern opinion to the eastern. Talk of Islamic opinion to the Muslim. Let alone the western people. You'll get the look as if you have talked a silly thing, if not an outright blasphemy.

[Kliopeion]

Assalamalaikum,

Put your weight behind tabligh ( if you are not doing it already ).

[rolex-buy]

Macaulian Blogs

aoa,
where are the blogs sir?

[JulieSmithdccd]

Assalamalaikum,

Put your weight behind tabligh ( if you are not doing it already ).

Yoon to hazaar dardon se rote hain badnaseeb
Tum dil dukhao waqt-e-museebat to baat hai.

[Kliopeion]

Yoon to hazaar dardon se rote hain badnaseeb
Tum dil dukhao waqt-e-museebat to baat hai.

Not sure if it is relevant but a few lines about the people you were talking about.

ajab hai tere is zulmat kade ka aalam
Tere ilm par bhi sifat e jahl taari hai
Kis darje ghaflat main hai hayat teri
asbaab ka junoon hai maddiayt ki khumari hai.

[JulieSmithdccd]

aoa,
where are the blogs sir?

Begin with the blog Three Quarks Daily. Though not a Muslim blog by any stretch of imagination but it has enough number of Razas and Abbases to give you a flavour of thinking and orientation of some Muslims who have climbed a bit high on the Darwinian ladder. After that have look at Dawud Israel's critique of Brass Crescent awards on his blog called Muslimology. Then navigate on.

Yoon to hazaar dardon se rote hain badnaseeb
Tum dil dukhao waqt-e-museebat to baat hai.

Though the unfortunate ones cry of a thousand pains
It shall mean a lot if you break the heart in bad times

Not sure if it is relevant but a few lines about the people you were talking about.

ajab hai tere is zulmat kade ka aalam
Tere ilm par bhi sifat e jahl taari hai

Kis darje ghaflat main hai hayat teri
asbaab ka junoon hai maddiayt ki khumari hai.

Strange is the ambiance of your tavern full of darkness
Even on your knowledge the shade of ignorance falls

How deeply into heedlessness is your life tossed
Craze of means is there and so is of materialism

[Kliopeion]

Jazakallah for the apt translation.

[Cersdog]

[QUOTE=Maripat;758872]This thread is about how to call modern educated Muslims to put their weight behind Islam.

Assalam alikum wa rahmat Allah,
May Allah swt bless you brother what an eye opening subject. Jazak Allah khair for sharing!

[JulieSmithdccd]

Assalam alikum wa rahmat Allah,
May Allah swt bless you brother what an eye opening subject. Jazak Allah khair for sharing!

Ameen.

My suggestion is to start asking our educated brothers and sisters whether they have put their weight behind the Deen of their beloved Prophet (PBUH)?

Every one kindly do that and report.

And as a bonus there shall be enormous weight on your mind to put your weight behind Islam.

Lord Most High willing.

[searkibia]

What about the fear factor?

I feel many educated muslims,when they feel an urge to follow Islam they fear the bemock from the society.This fear sometimes if not all time is being hindrance of roaming all around the world with the signs of Islam outwardly on themAt times like this when muslims are being framed as fear triggering agents,these educated people do not even seat with people who pose a beard and wears an islamic dress.I think there is a bit of islamophobia also among our own muslim brothers especially with the case of educated people.

I had these kind of experiences with some of literates and educated people,so that's what I felt.

[JulieSmithdccd]

What about the fear factor?

I feel many educated muslims,when they feel an urge to follow Islam they fear the bemock from the society.This fear sometimes if not all time is being hindrance of roaming all around the world with the signs of Islam outwardly on themAt times like this when muslims are being framed as fear triggering agents,these educated people do not even seat with people who pose a beard and wears an islamic dress.I think there is a bit of islamophobia also among our own muslim brothers especially with the case of educated people.

I had these kind of experiences with some of literates and educated people,so that's what I felt.

Muslim community in the world is large enough that all aspects of life can be covered.
We could make a campaign to familiarize people with Islam so that their fear of Islam goes out.
Just think of the tours that Shaikh Ahmed Deedat gave to tourists around his Mosque.

I suppose we should be out there in the open. Either the Tabligh way, or for familiarize non-Muslims with Islam, Internal Dawah or Dawah itself. A lot is left to be done.

[JulieSmithdccd]

About an American linguist:

Robert **** Wilson (February 4, 1856 – October 11, 1930) was an American linguist and Presbyterian scholar who devoted his life to prove the reliability of the Hebrew Bible. In his quest to determine the accuracy of the original manuscripts, Wilson learned 45 languages, including Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, as well as all the languages into which the Scriptures had been translated up to 600 AD. He put his life into proving Bible right. Learning 45 Semitic languages is not a mean effort.

And what we do? We declare, "I'll show these Mullahs what is modernity".

That is the burden of this thread. We have examples of people who have put in their best efforts, who have used their significant abilities to support a doctrine that is not only outdated and superseded but also has been twisted beyond recognition - unless supplemented by the Noble Qur'an. On the other hand we have our own example where we try to follow the footsteps of our western brothers oblivious to the fact that we are acting against the demands of the Deen brought to us by our beloved Prophet (PBUH).

How can we persuade our brothers and sisters to devote their lives to raise the Kalima of Islam above the din of the mechanical world?

[JulieSmithdccd]

I did not attend this seminar, but I argue that one of the greatest flaws of many of these types of presentations is the limitation of knowledge of the participants as well as the presenters.
Some years ago, I organized and hosted a lecture on the economic system of Islam. I chose to have one of my teachers present. He was reluctant. He was highly educated in the matter, but he withheld from discussion on many issues because he considered them to be in conflict with the idea of an Islamic economic system. He also admitted that he did not have full knowledge of the Islamic knowledge on the matter.

Rather what seems to occur is people with limited knowledge but with an ideological agenda conducive to integrating Islam into capitalism, use their limited knowledge to project a pro-capitalist viewpoint through Islam.

This seminar asked if the Prophet was the greatest economist, and then answered no.

Except, the Prophet was a Messenger of Allah, which means he relayed an entire Deen with an economic system.
It was NOT merely a philosophy. There are numerous laws, definitions, concepts which form a system.

Since presenters use the english language to box, limit, and define Islam, then it is fair to say that it is WRONG to say that the Prophet brought merely a philosophy. And such false statements are used to suggest Islam integrates with capitalism.

Your teacher perhaps is not a Muslim. At the moment we are not really prepared to benefit from the expertize these people have. We got to do little bit of home work ourselves. My impression is that we do have enough number of Muslims who have expertize in economic, financial and business issues. Then we have our traditional Islamic scholars. Former have to get some training in Islam - even if they pray five times a day. This training should be about Islamic outlook about on economic, financial and business issues. This has to be provided by the latter - whatever little they have. Our job is to bring every bit of our knowledge and expertize under the supervision of Islam and this can be done only by those who are trained in modern economic, business and finance theories. Can we armchair-key board activists convince any number of modern experts to have a look at this? This is where internal Dawah comes in. There are people who are calling Muslims to the Mosque - Tablighi Jama-at. Where are the people who are calling scientists, economists, financial experts, psychologists to give a thought to the fact that because of their religion they are obliged to submit even their expertize to the will of Allah (SWT)?

[Lypepuddyu]

Your teacher perhaps is not a Muslim. At the moment we are not really prepared to benefit from the expertize these people have. We got to do little bit of home work ourselves. My impression is that we do have enough number of Muslims who have expertize in economic, financial and business issues. Then we have our traditional Islamic scholars. Former have to get some training in Islam - even if they pray five times a day. This training should be about Islamic outlook about on economic, financial and business issues. This has to be provided by the latter - whatever little they have. Our job is to bring every bit of our knowledge and expertize under the supervision of Islam and this can be done only by those who are trained in modern economic, business and finance theories. Can we armchair-key board activists convince any number of modern experts to have a look at this? This is where internal Dawah comes in. There are people who are calling Muslims to the Mosque - Tablighi Jama-at. Where are the people who are calling scientists, economists, financial experts, psychologists to give a thought to the fact that because of their religion they are obliged to submit even their expertize to the will of Allah (SWT)?

I once gave dawah to a (former) nuclear scientist, though he was not anymore in to it, he had left the field about a decade ago, along with have given dawah to some modernists too, these guys have too much ego, during one such talk I had with him during work, this scientist tell me "I have studied nuclear physics, can't I make out for myself what the Glorious Quran means??!" why should I go to someone [ulamah]? and many other things, brother Maripat, frankly speaking, blogs, forums can only be value additions, they can never be the main thing, make a jama't and a list of such guys, go to them and meet them the old way, and the solution for them too is the same thing, they are not special, don't make them feel special, they too should start with sehroza jama't.

[rolex-buy]

Where are the people who are calling scientists, economists, financial experts, psychologists to give a thought to the fact that because of their religion they are obliged to submit even their expertize to the will of Allah (SWT)?

brilliant point

[JulieSmithdccd]

I once gave dawah to a (former) nuclear scientist, though he was not anymore in to it, he had left the field about a decade ago, along with have given dawah to some modernists too, these guys have too much ego, during one such talk I had with him during work, this scientist tell me "I have studied nuclear physics, can't I make out for myself what the Glorious Quran means??!" why should I go to someone [ulamah]? and many other things, brother Maripat, frankly speaking, blogs, forums can only be value additions, they can never be the main thing, make a jama't and a list of such guys, go to them and meet them the old way, and the solution for them too is the same thing, they are not special, don't make them feel special, they too should start with sehroza jama't.

You see the problem.
People do think that Islam is some sort of superstition.
And that is why internal Dawah is required.
Tabligh work is one but in this thread my intention is slightly beyond that.
They should not only bring Islam into their personal life but public life too.
American Jews used to go to the social farms (Kibutz) in Israel for voluntary work.
This included very highly qualified people in all walks of life.
Why are we Muslims so stupid and foolish that we make fun of our own Deen?