[cewIdeatovace]

Brothers and sisters, I have been on this forum for a short amount of time and I have noticed a few patterns.

If one wants to understand what is the issue with the Muslim Ummah as a whole today (worldwide), one needs to look no further than this very forum you are reading this post on.

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While reading this thread I could not help but wonder how the Rasul Allah reacted to and what he displayed in his mannerism when it came to the disagreements of the Shahaba among themselves .

This following clip came to my mind from another thread I saw a few days back . I am referring to the part where the shahaba were in disagreement about praying Asr or not before reaching bani Qurayza . If someone can paste the original hadith on this it will be more useful .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=B5ekzcEolfY

I believe there must be lessons to learn from the Rasul Allah on how he liked his Ummah to deal with
disagreements . Of course I am only talking about disagreements within the fold of Islamic Aqeedah .

[Lapsinuibense]

Well... By tactics I've meant a system of convincing someone to make him correct. During giving Dawah, this system plays a vital role on the success. I'm briefing it:
At first, the person is praised for his good virtues.
Secondly, politely he is shown the correct thing.
Finally, apologizing and seeking correction with humble request.

Example: If you go to a local leader who is a muslim (by name), at first start conversation with praising him- Mashallaah, Allaah has made you a leader. You are perfect for this job. You are very skilled etc etc.
Then start saying the greatness of Allaah and remind him about death. Later advise him very politely to be regular in Amaal and to avoid corruption.
Finally apologize and request him for making Du'a.
This strategy is very effective even with arrogant and ignorant people.

Please forgive me for my silly arguments. Remember me in your Du'a. (This part is real. I'm not implementing above mentioned tactics on you.)

Allahu akbar. I would love to learn such methods. How do I join and how do I know which tablighi to join, which is true and effective, etc.? And yes, I guess I was trying to use that tactic (and miserably failed ) described above but I didn't know it was actually categorised. Jazakallahu khaiyrun katheera for allowing me to know about this. I would love to learn more...

[casinobonbone]

the problem with the muslim ummah is lack of respect of scholars and the worship of our own opinions and 'common sense' ( a product of secular education minus religious education)
this problem manifests itself fully in modernists/apologists/secularists/liberals.
then to a lesser degree in salafis (atleast their frame of reference is Qur'an and Sunnah...how they interpret it without guidance is another thing)
and least in muqallids. many muqallids however do contain bughz for the ulema in their hearts.

[LarryRda]

the problem with the muslim ummah is lack of respect of scholars and the worship of our own opinions and 'common sense' ( a product of secular education minus religious education)
this problem manifests itself fully in modernists/apologists/secularists/liberals.
then to a lesser degree in salafis (atleast their frame of reference is Qur'an and Sunnah...how they interpret it without guidance is another thing)
and least in muqallids. many muqallids however do contain bughz for the ulema in their hearts.

Brother this post is spot on and hi-lights a severe problem infecting the ummah in the West.

I hate sound like a dummy; but could you translate your last sentence into English: "and least in muqallids. many muqallids however do contain bughz for the ulema in their hearts".

Thanks

[casinobonbone]

Brother this post is spot on and hi-lights a severe problem infecting the ummah in the West.

I hate sound like a dummy; but could you translate your last sentence into English: "and least in muqallids. many muqallids however do contain bughz for the ulema in their hearts".

Thanks

no problem i'll translate it.
"muqallids" = followers of only one of the 4 schools of thought
"bughz" = hatred/ enmity

[Lapsinuibense]

no problem i'll translate it.
"muqallids" = followers of only one of the 4 schools of thought
"bughz" = hatred/ enmity

Salaamu alaiykum
Ah I see. Muqallid = follow of only one of the 4 schools of thought. I always thought it applies to anyone following any sheikh or 'alim blindly (not in a rude sense - I am hanafi of course). So does that mean: ghayr muqallid = laa madhabis
Jazakallahu khaiyrun

[casinobonbone]

Salaamu alaiykum
Ah I see. Muqallid = follow of only one of the 4 schools of thought. I always thought it applies to anyone following any sheikh or 'alim blindly (not in a rude sense - I am hanafi of course). So does that mean: ghayr muqallid = laa madhabis
Jazakallahu khaiyrun

lol...dont get too much into taqleed shakhsi etc...muqallid are what i described them below.
and yes ghair muqallid are la madhabis/salafis

[GustavM]

I agree 100% with the OP. It seems the only thing we Muslims can talk about with each other nowadays are the basics. Asking anything besides "Is Allah One God?" or "Is Salah mandatory?" will get you a hundred different answers, and each answerer will denounce the others and start getting angry and insulting each other. And speaking about any controversial, non-Islamic social issue will get you called a kufr so quickly.

It's ridiculous and sad.

[KongoSan]

Agree, some members on here are quick to judge others even if we say one little sentence or word.

Maintain some modesty.