[Malinguenem]

Do you think the current Ulema of Darul Uloom Deoband have changed in terms of Spirit , Bravery , Hardheadedness etc from the likes of its great elders Maulana Qasim nanotwi (ra) , Maulana Ashraf Ali Thani (ra) , Maulana Rashid Ahmad Gangohi (ra) etc ?

[w4WBthjv]

Do you think the current Ulema of Darul Uloom Deoband have changed in terms of Spirit , Bravery , Hardheadedness etc from the likes of its great elders Maulana Qasim nanotwi (ra) , Maulana Ashraf Ali Thani (ra) , Maulana Rashid Ahmad Gangohi (ra) etc ?

I've somewhat a feeling of Indian Deobandi Ulama having changed in the points you mentioned.
As explained by some SF-resident Indian brothers, this has to do with the climate of political repression in India.

[Malinguenem]

I've somewhat a feeling of Indian Deobandi Ulama having changed in the points you mentioned.
As explained by some SF-resident Indian brothers, this has to do with the climate of political repression in India.

Cast you vote Mate Aye

[w4WBthjv]

Cast you vote Mate Aye

I can't see any "only (some) Indian Deobandis" option, but as you insist I'll cast mine in the one which is more similar insha'Allah.. : )

[discountviagraman]

Do you think the current Ulema of Darul Uloom Deoband have changed in terms of Spirit , Bravery , Hardheadedness etc from the likes of its great elders Maulana Qasim nanotwi (ra) , Maulana Ashraf Ali Thani (ra) , Maulana Rashid Ahmad Gangohi (ra) etc ?

in which matter?

[insightmike]

in them days, india, pakistan and bangladesh were one country so there was large muslim population while now its only 15% in India. when Darul uloom was established, the british empire was in india like they are in afghanistan today so there was a greater need to liberate india from them hence bravery

[__CVineXPharm__]

Haven't Muslims digressed as a entity? If you look across the ummah, we are all weaker and less brave than our predecessors. This can apply to any group of people amongst the ummah and is not exclusive to the ulamah of Darul Uloom Deoband.

I've somewhat a feeling of Indian Deobandi Ulama having changed in the points you mentioned. As explained by some SF-resident Indian brothers, this has to do with the climate of political repression in India. Yes, there are some incidents to be ashamed of but the valour and honour of Maulana Husain Ahmad Madani still flows through the veins of his descendants. Although they're not mentioned on SF, there are many examples of self respect, valour and individuals standing up to the face of oppression amongst the Indian ulamah even today.

[DINAKuncher]

Allah knows best

[Atmotteenrift]

Do you think the current Ulema of Darul Uloom Deoband have changed in terms of Spirit , Bravery , Hardheadedness etc from the likes of its great elders Maulana Qasim nanotwi (ra) , Maulana Ashraf Ali Thani (ra) , Maulana Rashid Ahmad Gangohi (ra) etc ?

Instead of trying to measure how much the ulema have changed from their predecessors, why dont you make a thread and measure how much you and laymen like us have stooped down compared to our forefathers. Lets talk about our bravery, spirit and hardheadedness which is only restrcited to behind a computer screen, but is not visibile anywhere outside in the real world.

[insightmike]

audhubillahimin'sh-shaytaani'rrajeem

[Maydayvar]

Spirit: It is the same.

Bravery: Do you mean to say they should start calling kaafir everyone around. The ulema are fighting the missionaries, qadiyanees, shias, gair muqallideen, barelvees. munkireen hadeeth, modernist etc. at the same time. I do make dua for these ulema for an healthy and long life.

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Agree with point 1 because with the same spirit they continue fighting those mentioned in point 2,..aameen to du'a

[feAilei1]

Do you think the current Ulema of Darul Uloom Deoband have changed in terms of Spirit , Bravery , Hardheadedness etc from the likes of its great elders Maulana Qasim nanotwi (ra) , Maulana Ashraf Ali Thani (ra) , Maulana Rashid Ahmad Gangohi (ra) etc ?

Are you talking about the scholars of Deoband manhaj in general or those stationed at the esteemed Darul Uloom in particular. Regarding the latter we (non-indian nationals) are in no position to make any comments. With regards to the former, my Hadhrat Shaykh Zakariyya r.a used to use say that, "That which has passed never returns." Though the current scholars of Deoband may not be in the same league as our Akabirs of the past times, they are matchless amongst their peers and contemporaries from across the globe. this is my opinion. Even in this day and age, very bright shining stars of this ummah are striving for deen in the madaris of karachi, khanqahs of saharanpur and marakiz of raiwind and nizamuddin. And the luminaries such as Shaykh Sarfaraz Khan Safdar, Mufti Rasheed Ahmad Ludhyanvi and Shaykh Musa Ruhani Bazi (may mercy of Allah be upon them all) passed away recently.

[feAilei1]

this is taken from Aap Beti - blog, excerpts from Aap Beti of my Hadhrat:

"That which had passed never returns": Appreciating our Scholars

...there is one very important fact to which I wish to draw attention.

When the Elders passed away many people desired to see those special qualities which were part of the Sheikh (in those that succeeded them). But it is clear that all those who follow the Elders and in their footsteps will be less gifted than the Sheikh except in some cases, as Allah pleases.

Those people who, because they do not see the qualities of the Elder in his followers, turn away from that Sheikh's line of Tasawwuf, are only doing themselves great harm. I began to see this very clearly since the time of Hazrat Gangohi. During the time of the most prominent Khalifas of Hazrat, I saw many of their contemporaries, who were also attached to Hazrat through Bay'at, saw that now some of the special qualities which Hazrat had were no longer present in the Khalifas. They then declined to return to these Khalifas for spiritual guidance. This caused me a lot of pain and sorrow because the Khalifas were near in relationship (with Allah Ta'ala) and men of 'Nisbat'. If indeed these people had become connected to one of the Khalifas, they would have progressed greatly.

Similarly I have seen many in the third generation of Khilafat who did the same thing. I did my utmost to explain to them the wrong of their actions. After the death of my uncle, Hazrat Ilyas رحمة الله عليه , I have heard many people say that this 'Hazrat-ji' was not nearly in the same class as Maulana Ilyas Dehlawy.

To those people I replied: "You have spoken the truth. But in Hazrat Dehlawy we did not see those special qualities which we saw in Hazrat Saharanpuri."...

...Now it is the era of Maulana Inaamul Hasan and very often we hear the complaint that it is not the same as in the time of Maulana Yusuf. Then I tell them: "My friends, after him you will not find even those qualities which are in him. That which had passed never returns."

http://aapbeti.blogspot.co.uk/2008_07_01_archive.html

[w4WBthjv]

Haven't Muslims digressed as a entity? If you look across the ummah, we are all weaker and less brave than our predecessors. This can apply to any group of people amongst the ummah and is not exclusive to the ulamah of Darul Uloom Deoband.

Yes, there are some incidents to be ashamed of but the valour and honour of Maulana Husain Ahmad Madani still flows through the veins of his descendants. Although they're not mentioned on SF, there are many examples of self respect, valour and individuals standing up to the face of oppression amongst the Indian ulamah even today.

But what I meant is that I've noticed (on a very restricted number of "proofs" and a very limited experience, indeed, and thus ought to be corrected) that "Indian" Deobandis very seldom discuss topics as Jihad, wrongs of Democracy, Secularism, Nationalism, etc.; while "Pakistani" (or "South African") Deobandis have quite a different "style" in this.
This having to do with the political climate, not for sure with "ethnicities" or mere nationalities.

And for sure, what I'm saying is just "general" in the meaning of noticing general tendencies; I'm sure there must be many exception to this, alhamdulillah.

Bravery: Do you mean to say they should start calling kaafir everyone around.

Huge difference between making unwarranted takfir and deeming a kafir to be ...a kafir!

But this very phenomenon of being extra-"mild" and apologetic and refusing to use the words Allah used for unbelievers is one of those characteristics that I'm finding generally prevalent amongst "Indian" Deobandis (then we have expections as London786 Sahab, xs11ax Sahab, Maripat Sahab, Dr. Tamim Sahab..

[Alexeric]

Do you think the current Ulema of Darul Uloom Deoband have changed in terms of Spirit , Bravery , Hardheadedness etc from the likes of its great elders Maulana Qasim nanotwi (ra) , Maulana Ashraf Ali Thani (ra) , Maulana Rashid Ahmad Gangohi (ra) etc ?

What do you mean by hardheadedness?