[yPuqQ248]

my question is related to this link right here posted on sunnipath http://spa.qibla.com/issue_view.asp?...D=3752&CATE=24 and to be honest it is getting me quite angry because either i am stupid and losing my common sense or they didnt explain it in simpler way i tried to read articles in there website related to it but i only got confused more so PLEASE SOME ONE MAKE THIS VERY SIMPLE AND EXPLAIN IT TO ME AS SIMPLE AS YOU CAN AND EXAMPLES WOULD BE GOOD TOO.. the part that is really getting to me is this part -----This is why Shaykh Abd al-Rahman al-Shaghouri (Allah have mercy on him), the great spiritual guide and master of the sciences of faith (aqida) from Damascus, explained,

�Taking means is necessary, and denying that they are effective is necessary. Whoever negates means is denying the Wisdom of Allah, and whoever relies upon means is associating others with Allah.�------------ I MEAN COMMON WHAT DOES THAT MEAN SERIOUSLY U CAN'T JUST SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND EXPECT EVERY ONE OR ME ATLEAST TO UNDERSTAND THIS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOUR TALKING ABOUT SHIRK, THIS HAS BEEN BOTHERING ME AND I CANT EVEN CONCENTRATE ON LIFE, OR ISLAM ETC. BECAUSE OF THIS. (sunnipath love talking so sophisticated give it a break seriously its about the religion not a university make it easy for even slow people like me and kids can understand - the Prophet (S) explained to the sahabas in simple way not this way) astaghfrullah

- what does this mean? so if i drink water does it mean that the water is really not quenching my thirst or Allah is quenching my thirst? and if i believe that water is quenching my thirst does it mean i am depending on the means and committing shirk?

-for example if i am thirsty and i depend on water to quench my thirst or if i am hungry and i depend on food to fill me up does it mean i have committed shirk? please explain

-what is required what is obligatory to believe i dont want no philosophical stuff just what do i need to believe and what do i need to rely on in order to save myself from falling into shirk?

=what exactly is it that i have to do in order to constitute shirk related to this topic on depending on the means?

-does this also mean a muslim that gambles for a living or a muslim who sells drugs, or steals for a living is really committing shirk because he is trusting and depending on the means he is taking to provide for him his money instead of depending on Allah? (since if he was depending on Allah he would not take any haram means so doesn't it mean he is actually depending on the means so isn't he commiting shirk?) please explain simply and inshAllah with examples also because i am really not getting this and i really want to. please don't get the wrong idea i just am very depressed after this any will will be apreciated from a person that understands this topic. thank you in advance may Allah reward you all

[yasalaioqe]

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[www.forumsovetov.ru]

While drinking water, Allah is the source and water is the means through which Allah the Almighty quenches our thirst. Allah gives the water its ability to quench thirst. If Allah Ta'ala wills the same water won't be able to quench ones thirst.

If the doubt of shirk is worrying you too much read the attached book below. it will help you remove a lot of doubts.

[maonnjtip]

Salam 'Aleykum,

It's because Islam is simple and some people like to confuse themselves and others with philosophy, this one is pretty simple though.

[mikeydesignzinc]

While drinking water, Allah is the source and water is the means through which Allah the Almighty quenches our thirst. Allah gives the water its ability to quench thirst. If Allah Ta'ala wills the same water won't be able to quench ones thirst.

If the doubt of shirk is worrying you too much read the attached book below. it will help you remove a lot of doubts.

JazakAllahu khairan brother for the wonderful book. However, it doesn't seem to address the Sunnipath answer that sunnibrother linked to. How can it be possible to call out "Yaa `Ali, I invoke thee"? How can it be possible to make du`aa' to someone other than Allah (SWT)? So I believe some explanation by `ulemaa' is necessary...

Jazakallahu khairan

[DP5Ups8o]

my question is related to this link right here posted on sunnipath http://spa.qibla.com/issue_view.asp?...D=3752&CATE=24

Welcome to reality brother.
Since I have been to some the situations that you are facing I'll try to add my two cents.
and to be honest it is getting me quite angry because either i am stupid and losing my common sense or I understand that perfectly well. Many of us have experienced this feeling and many times.
I'll begin by congratulating you because, :insha: you are on the verge of learning a significant thing.
And all praise is due to Allah(SWT) for that.
they didnt explain it in simpler way i tried to read articles in there website related to it but i only got confused more Many times this is true that the argument presented by somebody is very cogent. Personally I blame myself in such situations. In some cases I found myself lucky enough that someone else brought forth the weakness of the explanation that was frustrating me.

In the context of the explanation mentioned by you I agree with brother TripolySunni - it is simple.
so PLEASE SOME ONE MAKE THIS VERY SIMPLE AND EXPLAIN IT TO ME AS SIMPLE AS YOU CAN AND EXAMPLES WOULD BE GOOD TOO.. the part that is really getting to me is this part -----This is why Shaykh Abd al-Rahman al-Shaghouri (Allah have mercy on him), the great spiritual guide and master of the sciences of faith (aqida) from Damascus, explained, Please do not be so hard on yourself. Sooner or later you shall face concepts that stretch your intellectual abilities. If that happens you should not curse yourself or feel too bad. Our abilities are from Allah(SWT) and our responsibilities are according to them only. In particular Allah(SWT)'s love for us is not according to our abilities - it is according to our taqwa. Abilities are His decision and taqwa is our decision. Very intellectual people can be very obnoxious and very simple people can be very pleasant company - good enough to make our path to Jannah easy.

When I say I do not like your company you may feel bad and angry. When I explain that I meant that I do not like the people in your company while I do like to be in your company then you'll realize that my intended meaning was different. Same is the case about the present problem faced by you.
�Taking means is necessary, and denying that they are effective is necessary. Whoever negates means is denying the Wisdom of Allah, and whoever relies upon means is associating others with Allah.�------------ I MEAN COMMON WHAT DOES THAT MEAN SERIOUSLY U CAN'T JUST SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND EXPECT EVERY ONE OR ME ATLEAST TO UNDERSTAND THIS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOUR TALKING ABOUT SHIRK, THIS HAS BEEN BOTHERING ME AND I CANT EVEN CONCENTRATE ON LIFE, OR ISLAM ETC. BECAUSE OF THIS. (sunnipath love talking so sophisticated give it a break seriously its about the religion not a university make it easy for even slow people like me and kids can understand - the Prophet (S) explained to the sahabas in simple way not this way) astaghfrullah I suppose the people at SP are only trying to make the things simple for us but the Scholars some time have to resort to some technical terms. In most of the cases this is not for overwhelming us bu the purpose is to be precise and avoid the repercussions when hair splitting people are sitting ready to jump at their neck the moment they use a wrong syllable - let alone a word, a phrase or a sentence.
- what does this mean? so if i drink water does it mean that the water is really not quenching my thirst or Allah is quenching my thirst? and if i believe that water is quenching my thirst does it mean i am depending on the means and committing shirk? After drinking water say that O Allah as a matter of means I have drunken water but to quench my thirst is in your power, quench my thirst by your Mercy. You may feel that it is awkward but it is not. And since drinking water is a common activity therefore this is a good opportunity to develop the mindset that clears the doubts centering around means and their relevance. Repeat the italicized text so many times that it becomes easy on your tongue. Soon, IA, the matter will become clear.
-for example if i am thirsty and i depend on water to quench my thirst or if i am hungry and i depend on food to fill me up does it mean i have committed shirk? please explain Water quenches thirst by the leave of Allah(SWT). Food satiates and quenches hunger by the leave of Allah(SWT). Just repeat these assertions again and again and the confusion should disappear.
-what is required what is obligatory to believe i dont want no philosophical stuff just what do i need to believe and what do i need to rely on in order to save myself from falling into shirk? Since you are already worried, IA, you shall be saved by Allah(SWT) from any shirk. And these things are not philosophical. These are solid matters of faith, iman, belief and deen.
Those people who indulge and have too much fascination for intellectual approach to deen end up believing that these are philosophical things. When we submit our will to the Will of Allah(SWT) then philosophical things stop bothering us.
=what exactly is it that i have to do in order to constitute shirk related to this topic on depending on the means? Just keep trying the things I have said above and IA things should be fine.
-does this also mean a muslim that gambles for a living or a muslim who sells drugs, or steals for a living is really committing shirk because he is trusting and depending on the means he is taking to provide for him his money instead of depending on Allah? (since if he was depending on Allah he would not take any haram means so doesn't it mean he is actually depending on the means so isn't he commiting shirk?) please explain simply and inshAllah with examples also because i am really not getting this and i really want to. please don't get the wrong idea i just am very depressed after this any will will be apreciated from a person that understands this topic. thank you in advance may Allah reward you all Please do not complicate the things by bringing additional haram factors into discussion. After sorting out the original matter this additional complication is something that you can handle easily.

I hope this helps.
Wassalam

[GitaraMoya]

wa rahmatullah,

Mufti A.S Desai (hafidhahullâh) says about this fatwa :

It is shirk to direct supplications (duas) to the dead. The fatwa
which you have mentioned is erroneous. The statement, “Ya Ali I
invoke thee..” is shirk.

It is necessary to refrain from the lectuires, etc. of this ‘famous
Aalim”. It appears that he is from among the people of bid’ah.

[maonnjtip]

Some ppl don't know what "means" mean, I believe it's time to copy and paste obvious stuff..

List of Duas in the Holy Quran:

Surat Al Baqara:

002.127 And remember Abraham and Isma'il raised the foundations of the House (With this prayer): "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us: For Thou art the All- Hearing, the All-Knowing.

002.128 "Our Lord! Make of us Muslims, bowing to Thy (Will), and of our progeny a people Muslim, bowing to Thy (will); and show us our place for the celebration of (due) rites; and turn unto us (in Mercy); for Thou art the Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.

02.156 Who say, when afflicted with calamity: "To God we belong, and to Him is our return":-

002.201 And there are men who say: "Our Lord! Give us good in this world and good in the Hereafter, and defend us from the torment of the Fire!"

002.285 The Apostle believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in God, His angels, His books, and His apostles. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His apostles." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, Our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys."

002.286 On no soul doth God place a burden greater than it can bear. It gets every good that it earns, and it suffers every ill that it earns. (Pray): "Our Lord! Condemn us not if we forget or fall into error; Our Lord! Lay not on us a burden like that which Thou didst lay on those before us; Our Lord! Lay not on us a burden greater than we have strength to bear. Blot out our sins, and grant us forgiveness. Have mercy on us. Thou art our Protector; Help us against those who stand against faith."

Surat Al Imran:

003.008 "Our Lord!" (they say), "Let not our hearts deviate now after Thou hast guided us, but grant us mercy from Thine own Presence; for Thou art the Grantor of bounties without measure.

003.016 (Namely), those who say: "Our Lord! we have indeed believed: forgive us, then, our sins, and save us from the agony of the Fire;"-

003.038 There did Zakariya pray to his Lord, saying: "O my Lord! Grant unto me from Thee a progeny that is pure: for Thou art He that heareth prayer!

003.053 "Our Lord! we believe in what Thou hast revealed, and we follow the Apostle; then write us down among those who bear witness."

003.147 All that they said was: "Our Lord! Forgive us our sins and anything We may have done that transgressed our duty: Establish our feet firmly, and help us against those that resist Faith."

003.191 Men who celebrate the praises of God, standing, sitting, and lying down on their sides, and contemplate the (wonders of) creation in the heavens and the earth, (With the thought): "Our Lord! not for naught Hast Thou created (all) this! Glory to Thee! Give us salvation from the penalty of the Fire.

003.192 "Our Lord! any whom Thou dost admit to the Fire, Truly Thou coverest with shame, and never will wrong-doers Find any helpers!

003.193 "Our Lord! we have heard the call of one calling (Us) to Faith, 'Believe ye in the Lord,' and we have believed. Our Lord! Forgive us our sins, blot out from us our iniquities, and take to Thyself our souls in the company of the righteous.

003.194 "Our Lord! Grant us what Thou didst promise unto us through Thine apostles, and save us from shame on the Day of Judgment: For Thou never breakest Thy promise."

Surat al Nisa'a:

004.075 And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"

Surat al Ma'eda:

005.083 And when they listen to the revelation received by the Apostle, thou wilt see their eyes overflowing with tears, for they recognise the truth: they pray: "Our Lord! we believe; write us down among the witnesses.

Surat al A'araf:

007.023 They said: "Our Lord! We have wronged our own souls: If thou forgive us not and bestow not upon us Thy Mercy, we shall certainly be lost."

007.047 When their eyes shall be turned towards the Companions of the Fire, they will say: "Our Lord! send us not to the company of the wrong-doers."

007.089 "We should indeed invent a lie against God, if we returned to your ways after God hath rescued us therefrom; nor could we by any manner of means return thereto unless it be as in the will and plan of God, Our Lord. Our Lord can reach out to the utmost recesses of things by His knowledge. In God is our trust. Our Lord! decide Thou between us and our people in truth, for Thou art the best to decide."

007.126 "But thou dost wreak thy vengeance on us simply because we believed in the Signs of our Lord when they reached us! Our Lord! pour out on us patience and constancy, and take our souls unto thee as Muslims (who bow to thy will)!

007.143 When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee." God said: "By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe."

007.149 When they repented, and saw that they had erred, they said: "If our Lord have not mercy upon us and forgive us, we shall indeed be of those who perish."

007.151 Moses prayed: "O my Lord! forgive me and my brother! admit us to Thy mercy! for Thou art the Most Merciful of those who show mercy!"

007.155 And Moses chose seventy of his people for Our place of meeting: when they were seized with violent quaking, he prayed: "O my Lord! if it had been Thy will Thou couldst have destroyed, long before, both them and me: wouldst Thou destroy us for the deeds of the foolish ones among us? this is no more than Thy trial: by it Thou causest whom Thou wilt to stray, and Thou leadest whom Thou wilt into the right path. Thou art our Protector: so forgive us and give us Thy mercy; for Thou art the best of those who forgive.

007.156 "And ordain for us that which is good, in this life and in the Hereafter: for we have turned unto Thee." He said: "With My punishment I visit whom I will; but My mercy extendeth to all things. That (mercy) I shall ordain for those who do right, and practise regular charity, and those who believe in Our Signs--

007.196 "For my Protector is God, Who revealed the Book (from time to time), and He will choose and befriend the righteous.

Surat Al Tawbah:

009.059 If only they had been content with what God and His Apostle gave them, and had said, "Sufficient unto us is God! God and His Apostle will soon give us of His bounty: to God do we turn our hopes!" (that would have been the right course).

009.129 But if they turn away, Say: "God sufficeth me: there is no god but He: On Him is my trust,- He the Lord of the Throne (of Glory) Supreme!

Surat Yunus:

010.085 They said: "In God do we put out trust. Our Lord! make us not a trial for those who practise oppression;

010.086 "And deliver us by Thy Mercy from those who reject (Thee)."

Surat Yusuf:

012.101 "O my Lord! Thou hast indeed bestowed on me some power, and taught me something of the interpretation of dreams and events-- O Thou Creator of the heavens and the earth! Thou art my Protector in this world and in the Hereafter. Take Thou my soul (at death) as one submitting to Thy will (as a Muslim), and unite me with the righteous."



A small sample from the Du'ah of the Prophet SAWS.

O Allah, make me of those who return to You often in repentance and make me of those who remain clean and pure.
Sources: At-Tirmithi 1/78, see also Al-Albani, Sahih At- Tirmithi 1/18.

In the name of Allah, I place my trust in Allah and there is no might nor power except with Allah.
Sources: Abu Dawud 4/325, At-Tirmithi 5/490. See also Al-Albani, Sahih At-Tirmithi 3/151.

O Allah, I take refuge with You lest I should stray or be led astray, or slip (i.e. to commit a sin unintentionally) or be tripped, or oppress or be oppressed, or behave foolishly or be treated foolishly.
Sources: Abu Dawud, Ibn Majah, An-Nasa'i, At-Tirmithi. See also Al-Albani, Sahih At-Tirmithi 3/152 and Sahih Ibn Majah 2/336.

O Allah, place within my heart light, and upon my tongue light, and within my ears light, and within my eyes light, and place behind me light, and in front of me light, and above me light, and beneath me light. O Allah, bestow upon me light.
Sources: Muslim 1/530 and the wording is his, and Al-Bukhari with Al-Fath 11/116.

I take refuge with Allah, The Supreme and with His Noble Face, and His eternal authority from the accursed devil. In the name of Allah, and prayers and peace be upon the Messenger of Allah. O Allah, open the gates of Your mercy for me.
Sources: Abu Dawud Sahih Al-Jami' #4591, Ibn As-Sunni #88 declared hasan by Al-Albani, Abu Dawud 1/126 see Sahih Al-Jami' 1/528, Muslim 1/494.

In the name of Allah, and prayers and peace be upon the Messenger of Allah. O Allah, I ask You from Your favor. O Allah, guard me from the accursed devil.
Sources: Abu Dawud Sahih Al-Jami' #4591, Ibn As-Sunni #88 declared hasan by Al-Albani, Abu Dawud 1/126 see Sahih Al-Jami' 1/528, Muslim 1/494, Sahih Ibn Majah 1/129.

O Allah, distance me from my sins just as You have distanced The East from The West, O Allah, purify me of my sins as a white robe is purified of filth, O Allah, cleanse me of my sins with snow, water, and ice.
Sources: Al-Bukhari 1/181, Muslim 1/419

O Allah, Lord of Jibra-eel, Meeka-eel and Israfeel (great angles), Creator of the heavens and the Earth, Knower of the seen and the unseen. You are the arbitrator between Your slaves in that which they have disputed.
Guide me to the truth by Your leave, in that which they have differed, for verily You guide whom You will to a straight path.
Sources: Muslim 1/534.

O Allah, unto You I have bowed, and in You I have believed, and to You I have submitted.
My hearing, and my sight, and my mind, and my bones, and my tendons, and what my feet carry, are humbled before You.
Sources: Muslim 1/534, Abu Dawud, An-Nasa'i and At- Tirmithi.

O Allah, forgive me all of my sins, the small and great of them, the first and last of them, and the seen and hidden of them.
Sources: Muslim 1/350.

O Allah, I take refuge within Your pleasure from Your displeasure and within Your pardon from Your punishment, and I take refuge in You from You.
I cannot enumerate Your praise, You are as You have praised Yourself.
Sources: Muslim 1/352.

My Lord forgive me, My Lord forgive me.
Sources: Abu Dawud 1/231. See also Al-Albani's, Sahih ibn Majah 1/148.

O Allah, forgive me, have mercy upon me, guide me, enrich me, give me health, grant me sustenance and raise my rank.
Sources: Abu Dawud, Ibn Majah, At-Tirmithi. See also Al-Albani's, Sahih At-Tirmithi 1/90 and Sahih Ibn Majah 1/148.

O Allah, record for me a reward for this (prostration), and remove from me a sin. Save it for me and accept it from me just as You had accepted it from Your slave Dawood (peace be upon him).
Sources: At-Tirmithi 2/473, and Al-Hakim who graded it authentic and Ath-Thahabi agreed 1/219.

O Allah, send blessings upon Muhammad and upon the family of Muhammad, just as You sent blessings upon Ibraheem and upon the family of Ibraheem. Verily, You are full of praise and majesty.
Sources: Al-Bukhari with Al-Fath 6/408.

O Allah, send prayers upon Muhammad and upon the wives and descendants of Muhammad, just as You sent prayers upon the family of Ibraheem,
and send blessings upon Muhammad and upon the wives and descendants of Muhammad, just as You sent blessings upon the family of Ibraheem.
Sources: Al-Bukhari with Al-Fath 6/407 and Muslim 1/306.

O Allah, I take refuge in You from the punishment of the grave, from the torment of the Fire, from the trials and tribulations of life and death and from the evil affliction of Al-Maseeh Ad-Dajjal.
Sources: Al-Bukhari 2/102, Muslim 1/412, and this is Muslim's wording.

O Allah, I have indeed oppressed my soul excessively and none can forgive sin except You, so forgive me a forgiveness from Yourself and have mercy upon me. Surely, You are The Most-Forgiving, The Most-Merciful.
Sources: Al-Bukhari 8/168 and Muslim 4/2078.

O Allah, help me to remember You, to thank You, and to worship You in the best of manners.
Sources: Abu Dawud 2/86 and An-Nasa'i 3/53.

O Allah, I take refuge in You from miserliness and cowardice, I take refuge in You lest I be returned to the worst of lives (i.e. old age, being weak, incapable and in a state of fear), and I take refuge in You from the trials and tribulations of this world and the punishment of the grave.
Sources: Al-Bukhari with Al-Fath 6/35.

O Allah, I ask You to grant me Paradise and I take refuge in You from the Fire.
Sources: Abu Dawud, see Al-Albani's, Sahih Ibn Majah 2/328.

O Allah, by Your knowledge of the unseen and Your power over creation, keep me alive so long as You know such life to be good for me and take me if You know death to be better for me.
O Allah, make me fearful of You whether in secret or in public and I ask You to make me true in speech, in times of pleasure and anger. I ask you to make me moderate in times of wealth and poverty,
and I ask You for everlasting bliss and joy which will never cease. I ask You to make me pleased with what You have decreed and for an easy life after death.
I ask You for the sweetness of looking upon Your Face and a longing to encounter You in a manner which does not entail a calamity which will bring about harm, nor a trial which will cause deviation.
O Allah, beautify us with the adornment of faith and make us of those who guide and are rightly guided.
Sources: An-Nasa'i 3/54, 3/55 and Ahmad 4/364 with a good chain.

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Long list of obvious things has concluded.

[SerycegeBunny]

wa rahmatullah,

Mufti A.S Desai (hafidhahullâh) says about this fatwa :

It is shirk to direct supplications (duas) to the dead. The fatwa
which you have mentioned is erroneous. The statement, “Ya Ali I
invoke thee..” is shirk.

It is necessary to refrain from the lectuires, etc. of this ‘famous
Aalim”. It appears that he is from among the people of bid’ah.

Walaikum Salam,

JazakAllah Khair brother.

It is a shame that such people are allowed to use SunniPath website to spread their false fatwas.

[yPuqQ248]

so i think this is my current way of thinking i know Allah created everything me, you and he created water, food, the police, rain and the job i work for in a company is paying me for the hours i worked, etc. so if i think that since he created everything and i know that if i drink water the water will quench my thirst, or the food will fill my hunger, or the police will protect me, and the rain will grow the crops, and the job actually is providing me money and paying me is my way of thinking wrong ,? since i am saying these things have the outcomes but although i said Allah created those things but i say that these things are directly making the outcomes is my way of thinking wrong? or is there another way i should be looking at this? please explain with examples in a simple way

question 2) what is it exactly that i would have to say and believe in order for me to actually be doing shirk? regarding this statement from sunnipath:

Taking means is necessary, and denying that they are effective is necessary. Whoever negates means is denying the Wisdom of Allah, and whoever relies upon means is associating others with Allah.------------ I MEAN COMMON WHAT DOES THAT MEAN SERIOUSLY U CAN'T JUST SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND EXPECT EVERY ONE OR ME ATLEAST TO UNDERSTAND THIS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOUR TALKING ABOUT SHIRK, THIS HAS BEEN BOTHERING ME AND I CANT EVEN CONCENTRATE ON LIFE, OR ISLAM ETC. BECAUSE OF THIS. (sunnipath love talking so sophisticated give it a break seriously its about the religion not a university make it easy for even slow people like me and kids can understand - the Prophet (S) explained to the sahabas in simple way not this way) astaghfrullah

(i am really confused about all this please try to explain in a real simple way how u would explain to a kid)

[yPuqQ248]

While drinking water, Allah is the source and water is the means through which Allah the Almighty quenches our thirst. Allah gives the water its ability to quench thirst. If Allah Ta'ala wills the same water won't be able to quench ones thirst.

If the doubt of shirk is worrying you too much read the attached book below. it will help you remove a lot of doubts.

so i think this is my current way of thinking i know Allah created everything me, you and he created water, food, the police, rain and the job i work for in a company is paying me for the hours i worked, etc. so if i think that since he created everything and i know that if i drink water the water will quench my thirst, or the food will fill my hunger, or the police will protect me, and the rain will grow the crops, and the job actually is providing me money and paying me is my way of thinking wrong ,? since i am saying these things have the outcomes but although i said Allah created those things but i say that these things are directly making the outcomes is my way of thinking wrong? or is there another way i should be looking at this? please explain with examples in a simple way

question 2) what is it exactly that i would have to say and believe in order for me to actually be doing shirk? regarding this statement from sunnipath:

Taking means is necessary, and denying that they are effective is necessary. Whoever negates means is denying the Wisdom of Allah, and whoever relies upon means is associating others with Allah.------------ I MEAN COMMON WHAT DOES THAT MEAN SERIOUSLY U CAN'T JUST SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND EXPECT EVERY ONE OR ME ATLEAST TO UNDERSTAND THIS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOUR TALKING ABOUT SHIRK, THIS HAS BEEN BOTHERING ME AND I CANT EVEN CONCENTRATE ON LIFE, OR ISLAM ETC. BECAUSE OF THIS. (sunnipath love talking so sophisticated give it a break seriously its about the religion not a university make it easy for even slow people like me and kids can understand - the Prophet (S) explained to the sahabas in simple way not this way) astaghfrullah

(i am really confused about all this please try to explain in a real simple way how u would explain to a kid)

[yPuqQ248]

so i think this is my current way of thinking i know Allah created everything me, you and he created water, food, the police, rain and the job i work for in a company is paying me for the hours i worked, etc. so if i think that since he created everything and i know that if i drink water the water will quench my thirst, or the food will fill my hunger, or the police will protect me, and the rain will grow the crops, and the job actually is providing me money and paying me is my way of thinking wrong ,? since i am saying these things have the outcomes but although i said Allah created those things but i say that these things are directly making the outcomes is my way of thinking wrong? or is there another way i should be looking at this? please explain with examples in a simple way

question 2) what is it exactly that i would have to say and believe in order for me to actually be doing shirk? regarding this statement from sunnipath:

Taking means is necessary, and denying that they are effective is necessary. Whoever negates means is denying the Wisdom of Allah, and whoever relies upon means is associating others with Allah.------------

(i am really confused about all this please try to explain in a real simple way how u would explain to a kid)

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since i am saying these things have the outcomes but although i said Allah created those things but i say that these things are directly making the outcomes is my way of thinking wrong? or is there another way i should be looking at this?


Brother there is nothing wrong in thinking 'water quenches my thirst' or 'rain will grow crops' as long as you do not deny Allah Ta'ala is giving the power to them. The problem arises only if one thinks the 'water' or the 'rain' doesn't need Allah Ta'ala. Also there is nothing wrong in saying 'the mother protects the child' as long as we acknowledge that all power comes from Allah Ta'ala.

question 2) what is it exactly that i would have to say and believe in order for me to actually be doing shirk? Shirk is simply:
Worshipping anything other than Allah Ta'ala. Like an idol or a person. Example: the hindus worship the idols, christians worship Jesus christ. Both are shirk ie associating partners with Allah Ta'ala.


As for the quote from sunnipath, for the time being its better not to concentrate on that. The quote is from Shaykh Abd al-Rahman al-Shaghouri (Allah have mercy on him), the great spiritual guide and master of the sciences of faith (aqida) from Damascus. Certainly he must have said it in Arabic, so it will be difficult for us to understand the translation posted in sunnipath. Just because we did not understand a quote in a website doesn't mean we are committing shirk.

Also it seems shaytaan has took advantage of your misunderstanding of the topic in making you more tensed. Brother don't worry calm down. Islamic belief is simple. Also read the book I attached earlier in the thread. It will help you combat this doubt of shirk. I had doubted that I myself was committing shirk for years, only when I read the following book I realized that it was just whispering of the shaytaan.

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Brother there is nothing wrong in thinking 'water quenches my thirst' or 'rain will grow crops' as long as you do not deny Allah Ta'ala is giving the power to them. The problem arises only if one thinks the 'water' or the 'rain' doesn't need Allah Ta'ala. Also there is nothing wrong in saying 'the mother protects the child' as long as we acknowledge that all power comes from Allah Ta'ala.



Shirk is simply:
Worshipping anything other than Allah Ta'ala. Like an idol or a person. Example: the hindus worship the idols, christians worship Jesus christ. Both are shirk ie associating partners with Allah Ta'ala.


As for the quote from sunnipath, for the time being its better not to concentrate on that. The quote is from Shaykh Abd al-Rahman al-Shaghouri (Allah have mercy on him), the great spiritual guide and master of the sciences of faith (aqida) from Damascus. Certainly he must have said it in Arabic, so it will be difficult for us to understand the translation posted in sunnipath. Just because we did not understand a quote in a website doesn't mean we are committing shirk.

Also it seems shaytaan has took advantage of your misunderstanding of the topic in making you more tensed. Brother don't worry calm down. Islamic belief is simple. Also read the book I attached earlier in the thread. It will help you combat this doubt of shirk. I had doubted that I myself was committing shirk for years, only when I read the following book I realized that it was just whispering of the shaytaan.

okay thank you so far and inshallah i will read it but i dont have much time now, but so your saying as long as i believe that Allah created these things than i am fine? so about when i earn money thru my job it is okay for me to say that this job gave me this money?

2) is it okay if i say i passed this test because allah chose me too, or this food filled my stomach up because Allah willed (is this the part i am missing as long as i say allah willed it than it isn't shirk? and if i say allah just created the food and left it in the world for me to eat it will that also be permissible? or is there someething else someother way i should look at it?

and question 3) say for example i have a wife and she gets scared in her sleep she has a night mare that she was getting punished by Allah or in the hellfire etc, and then she told me to stay next to her because she is scared does that mean she is negating tawakkul and she is committing shirk? or doing something haram?

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okay thank you so far and inshallah i will read it but i dont have much time now, but so your saying as long as i believe that Allah created these things than i am fine? so about when i earn money thru my job it is okay for me to say that this job gave me this money?

2) is it okay if i say i passed this test because allah chose me too, or this food filled my stomach up because Allah willed (is this the part i am missing as long as i say allah willed it than it isn't shirk? and if i say allah just created the food and left it in the world for me to eat it will that also be permissible? or is there someething else someother way i should look at it?

Brother such close scrutiny is unnecessary. Whenever such doubts come to mind say Auzhubillahi minashaytaanir rajeem and say Amantubillahi wa rusulih (I believe in Allah and his Messenger). Also recite Ayatul khursi.

and question 3) say for example i have a wife and she gets scared in her sleep she has a night mare that she was getting punished by Allah or in the hellfire etc, and then she told me to stay next to her because she is scared does that mean she is negating tawakkul and she is committing shirk? or doing something haram? No brother, asking someone to help you is not shirk.

P.s. You have to spend some time reciting the Quran, It will ward off such doubts. Recite the ayahs of manzil from the Quran, it will help you deal with such doubts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoxtiDB4oXo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWYTbIiUVF8

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Brother the best way to understand these things is to learn it from a scholar. Here is a series of lectures that go through Aqidah Tahawiyah, a classical book of Aqidah, by Mufti Abdurrahman Ibn Yusuf Mangera.

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Brother the best way to understand these things is to learn it from a scholar. Here is a series of lectures that go through Aqidah Tahawiyah, a classical book of Aqidah, by Mufti Abdurrahman Ibn Yusuf Mangera.

thats hours of audio to listen to which will only confuse me more, if u can pinpoint which specific clip is related to this topic it will be helpful thank you

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Brother such close scrutiny is unnecessary. Whenever such doubts come to mind say Auzhubillahi minashaytaanir rajeem and say Amantubillahi wa rusulih (I believe in Allah and his Messenger). Also recite Ayatul khursi.



No brother, asking someone to help you is not shirk.

P.s. You have to spend some time reciting the Quran, It will ward off such doubts. Recite the ayahs of manzil from the Quran, it will help you deal with such doubts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoxtiDB4oXo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWYTbIiUVF8

[QUOTE=amr123;720171]Brother such close scrutiny is unnecessary. Whenever such doubts come to mind say Auzhubillahi minashaytaanir rajeem and say Amantubillahi wa rusulih (I believe in Allah and his Messenger). Also recite Ayatul khursi.

brother thanks for this advice but i do say "Auzhubillahi minashaytaanir rajeem and say Amantubillahi wa rusulih (I believe in Allah and his Messenger). Also recite Ayatul khursi." but it still bothers me it's not 1 of those things that will disapear unless my mind gets a better understanding of it. i need help on this topic for the sake of Allah.

let me say first the reason i am asking here is because it's hard to explain this topic in english, most people around me don't speak english. so i don't really have much option

this question will inshAllah help out. ok we say it is Allah that cures us and not the doctor how does that work so what is the doctor doing?

2) and when i break my leg and i need a surgery from a doctor is Allah curing my leg or the doctor? and what is the doctor doing here and how does this work please explain?

3) the medicine we take we say the medicine doesn't cure us but Allah does, so what exactly is the medicine doing? and when we get side effects from the medicine do we also say this is Allah giving us the side effects and not Allah? please shed some light on this

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Brother such close scrutiny is unnecessary. Whenever such doubts come to mind say Auzhubillahi minashaytaanir rajeem and say Amantubillahi wa rusulih (I believe in Allah and his Messenger). Also recite Ayatul khursi.



No brother, asking someone to help you is not shirk.

P.s. You have to spend some time reciting the Quran, It will ward off such doubts. Recite the ayahs of manzil from the Quran, it will help you deal with such doubts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoxtiDB4oXo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWYTbIiUVF8

brother thanks for this advice but i do say "Auzhubillahi minashaytaanir rajeem and say Amantubillahi wa rusulih (I believe in Allah and his Messenger). Also recite Ayatul khursi." but it still bothers me it's not 1 of those things that will disapear unless my mind gets a better understanding of it. i need help on this topic for the sake of Allah.

let me say first the reason i am asking here is because it's hard to explain this topic in english, most people around me don't speak english. so i don't really have much option

this question will inshAllah help out. ok we say it is Allah that cures us and not the doctor how does that work so what is the doctor doing?

2) and when i break my leg and i need a surgery from a doctor is Allah curing my leg or the doctor? and what is the doctor doing here and how does this work please explain?

3) the medicine we take we say the medicine doesn't cure us but Allah does, so what exactly is the medicine doing? and when we get side effects from the medicine do we also say this is Allah giving us the side effects and not Allah? please shed some light on this

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Allah swt is always in the mind of every Muslim.It is understood for him that actually it is Allah swt who does every thing,irrespective of wether he says it in so many words or not.It is the essence of our eeman.when you say water quinches my thirst ,you 'know' it is Allah who is making it happen.When you say food makes me full,you 'understand',it is Allah who is providing you.When you say my company gives me salary,your subconscious mind fully 'appreciates' that none other than Allah is the real Raziq.When you say a doctor treated me,it is already in your background knowledge that health and disease both are in the hands of Allah.All this goes with the package of eeman.You don,t have to repeat it in every sentence.If you do,it will certainly give you extra credit,but it is not a must.There is no shirk in it.Relax and enjoy the countless bounties of eeman.
Allah swt has hidden himself behind asbab,if we could see him behind every thing with our own eyes then where would be the value of eeman bil ghaib?The surgeons,the doctors,the pills,our food and drink,our employers are all asbab.Our eeman tells us to believe that behind these asbab,'the will of Allah swt' is at work.That is why we see that a doctor treats many patients,but not all gets cured.A pill which cures one person cause serious side effects in another.The food which we eat is pure health for one,but produces profuse diarrhoea in another.The reason being,these things per say can neither treat,nor give health,it is the will of Allah swt at work behind the scene.Discussing it further will lead to the issue of Taqdeer,which is not our point of discussion here,nor is it desirable to be discussed.
That is exactly what the Shaikh wanted to say,in my humble view.Asbab are created by Allah swt for a purpose,so we have to respect it,but to say these asbab work independently of the 'will of Allah swt' would be a grass misunderstanding.Don,t you see,the same Fire which is always suppose to burn,did not burn syedena Ibrahim AS,when Allah wished so ?.Asbab works as the natural law of the land,but a law is a law only till the King wants it to be.When the king changes the law,the previous law becomes only a piece of paper.Similarly asbab are in the hands of Allah,they work only till Allah wants it.
"wa in yamsaskallaho bidhurren Fa la kashifa Lahu illa Hu,wa in yamsaka bi khairen Fa hua ala kulle shayen qadeer"