[PilotVertolet]

Salaam

An interesting read. It was shared by Ustadh Alomgir and was taken from various non-Muslim sources. Some of them scarily apply to some present Muslim groups.

1. The group is focused on a living leader to whom members seem to display excessively zealous, unquestioning commitment.

2. Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.

3. The leadership dictates sometimes in great detail how members should think, act, and feel.

4. The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s), and members.

5. Deception - Group identity and/or true motives are not revealed. The group leaders tell members to withhold truth from outsiders.

6. Emotional Leverage/Love Bombing - Instant friendship, extreme helpfulness, generosity and acceptance...Group recruiters "lovingly" will not take "no" for an answer-invitations impossible to refuse without feeling guilty and/or ungrateful.

7. Crisis Creation - They employ tactics designed to create or deepen confusion, fear, guilt or doubt.

8. All The Answers - Provide simple answers to the confusion they, themselves, create. Support these answers with material produced or "approved" by the group.

9. Intense Study - Focus is on GROUP doctrine and writings.

10. Attack Independent Thought - Critical thinking is discouraged as prideful and sinful, blind acceptance encouraged.

11. Coercion - Disobedience, including even minor disagreement with group doctrine, may result in expulsion and shunning.

12. Creating a false sense of righteousness by pointing to the shortcomings of the outside world and other cults.

13. There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.

14. Adopt "loaded" language (characterised by "thought-terminating clichés"). Words are the tools we use to think with. These "special" words constrict rather than expand understanding. They function to reduce complexities of experience into trite, platitudinous "buzz words". Usually certain cults are known for certain loaded words like: "reality" "issue" such that you only have to hear them speak for 1 minute before you know what group/cult they are from.

[Illisezek]

Assalamu alaykum

Cult!!!!

Sahabah ????????


What a product????

ASWW
Lol!! SubhanAllah!

[buchmausar]

Salaam

An interesting read. It was shared by Ustadh Alomgir and was taken from various non-Muslim sources. Some of them scarily apply to some present Muslim groups.

1. The group is focused on a living leader to whom members seem to display excessively zealous, unquestioning commitment.

2. Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.

3. The leadership dictates sometimes in great detail how members should think, act, and feel.

4. The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s), and members.

5. Deception - Group identity and/or true motives are not revealed. The group leaders tell members to withhold truth from outsiders.

6. Emotional Leverage/Love Bombing - Instant friendship, extreme helpfulness, generosity and acceptance...Group recruiters "lovingly" will not take "no" for an answer-invitations impossible to refuse without feeling guilty and/or ungrateful.

7. Crisis Creation - They employ tactics designed to create or deepen confusion, fear, guilt or doubt.

8. All The Answers - Provide simple answers to the confusion they, themselves, create. Support these answers with material produced or "approved" by the group.

9. Intense Study - Focus is on GROUP doctrine and writings.

10. Attack Independent Thought - Critical thinking is discouraged as prideful and sinful, blind acceptance encouraged.

11. Coercion - Disobedience, including even minor disagreement with group doctrine, may result in expulsion and shunning.

12. Creating a false sense of righteousness by pointing to the shortcomings of the outside world and other cults.

13. There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.

14. Adopt "loaded" language (characterised by "thought-terminating clichés"). Words are the tools we use to think with. These "special" words constrict rather than expand understanding. They function to reduce complexities of experience into trite, platitudinous "buzz words". Usually certain cults are known for certain loaded words like: "reality" "issue" such that you only have to hear them speak for 1 minute before you know what group/cult they are from.

salaams

If its possible to say so without gheeba which ones are we thinking about?

[Loopyjr]

There are a few more characteristics of a 'cult'.

A cult seeks to isolate and insulate it's members from the rest of the world, in particular cult members' families and loved ones. There is a distinct effort to form a barrier between the people and even the most benevolent efforts of "outsiders".

As well, a cult looks inwards towards its members- it does NOT seek to proselytize or spread , ie. Dawah. It does NOT seek to open its dogma and subculture to scrutiny, investigation, etc.

[PilotVertolet]

Assalamu alaykum

Cult!!!!

Sahabah ????????


What a product????

Uhhh...I am pretty sure no one implied the Sahaaba na'udhubillah!

[PilotVertolet]

salaams

If its possible to say so without gheeba which ones are we thinking about?

Unfortunately not. The thread was opened just to make people aware of these characteristics. Discussing specific groups was not the intention and will likely lead to World War 3 if carried out.

[Aztegjpl]

Are we referring to jamat tabligh here?

[PilotVertolet]

Are we referring to jamat tabligh here?

Salaam respected brother. Please see post # 7.

[GinaGomesz]

Unfortunately not. The thread was opened just to make people aware of these characteristics. Discussing specific groups was not the intention and will likely lead to World War 3 if carried out.

WW3 it is....

Lets start a cult btw.... what shall we name it... hmmm....

[Aztegjpl]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3CIm...&feature=g-u-u

[PilotVertolet]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3CImcSRqU8&feature=g-u-u

No need to get so defensive brother

Just because someone said "cult" doesn't mean it refers to Tabligh.

Br. Amr - Agree 100%. Since we are a minority on this forum, I propose that we incorporate Shafi'is United. We can have Br. Rifai as the ameer.

[GinaGomesz]

Br. Amr - Agree 100%. Since we are a minority on this forum, we propose that we incorporate Shafi'is United. We can have Br. Rifai as the ameer.

Lolz... I was thinking more in terms of 'Silly united'.. you know the cult with half crazy ppl and ahmaqs... ^_^

[Aztegjpl]

No need to get so defensive brother

Just because someone said "cult" doesn't mean it refers to Tabligh.

Br. Amr - Agree 100%. Since we are a minority on this forum, I propose that we incorporate Shafi'is United. We can have Br. Rifai as the ameer.

Lol. It's just because I was watching that video at the time, so I posted it.

[Illisezek]

Lol. It's just because I was watching that video at the time, so I posted it.

ASWW
Clear case of goal post change! ..but anyway ... you learn new things everyday ... sometimes the hard way... way hard way..!!

[fenter1]

Tablighi Jamat is probably the antithesis of a cult. It is extremely open, lets anyone in, lets anyone leave, there are no secret rituals, its books are available in the public domain, it is globally famous (or infamous, depending on who you ask), there is no living leader that you have to pledge yourself to, does not claim to have all the answers (in fact, TJ sets the person up to consider studying the deen at a madrasa), etc.

[Loopyjr]

Tablighi Jamat is probably the antithesis of a cult. It is extremely open, lets anyone in, lets anyone leave, there are no secret rituals, its books are available in the public domain, it is globally famous (or infamous, depending on who you ask), there is no living leader that you have to pledge yourself to, does not claim to have all the answers (in fact, TJ sets the person up to consider studying the deen at a madrasa), etc.

Well said, brother. The case is closed.