[CtEkM8Vq]

Brothers should realize that our deen commands us to enjoin good and forbid evil. If a munkar is perpetrated publicly, then it must also be spoken against in public. This whole "don't judge me" and "who are you to tell me" nonsense is a result of growing up in the West and adopting values that are at times diametrically opposed to those of Islam. That being said, the way the shaykh approached the issue was inappropriate as well. The brother does seem sincere and has some sort of inclination towards deen, so although he made some mistakes, to make him out to be the devil incarnate is wrong.

Abu Musa said: Whenever the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, sent his companions on a mission, he would say, “Give glad tidings, and do not scare people away; make things easy, and do not make things difficult.”

[Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 40, Number 4835]

عَنْ أَبِي مُوسَى، قَالَ كَانَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم إِذَا بَعَثَ أَحَدًا مِنْ أَصْحَابِهِ فِي بَعْضِ أَمْرِهِ قَالَ‏ بَشِّرُوا وَلاَ تُنَفِّرُوا وَيَسِّرُوا وَلاَ تُعَسِّرُوا

[QuidQuoPro]

I don't know why some people are hell-bent, the point is IF Br Humza wanted to be a comedian then he should be a comedian that doesn't involve Deen, if he wants to be a religious comedian then do it within the bounds of Shari'ah, this is what the al-Qadr media is saying. Him dancing around his acting "Niqabi mom" and throwing "bars" in front of her and then her doing the same, is NOT Religious then showing knives, and having La Mahram women without hijaab is also not religious, and then playing music etc and after all this he is supposed to bring a hadith at the end to make it all Religious. What a joke. The point is he has to choose one path, not half and half, of course it is not a fiqh course or hadith lesson, he is a comedian, but he clearly has to be within the bounds of Shari'ah. He has alot of people following him, young muslim brothers and sisters they will look upto him as a role model, infact THERE are copy cats like him already that have started to do Drama like circus clowns, and after all this he then goes on to appear on a desi pop video, i mean ; doesn't he not know that young Muslims are looking upto him?. HE WILL have to answer for his own actions, this is what al-Qadr are saying to him (not to anyone else) this is because they were part of the crew originally.

Brother Muhammad Abdul Jabbar is in his last year at Darul Uloom, and has the backing of 'Ulama, and does relentless work for Deen, he gives Da'wah to non-Muslim in the City Centre and has his own stall there and Alhamdulillah has converted many non-Muslims, his "Power is for Allah" video on youtube is a big hit.

Wallahu A'lam.

[baronaaba]

100% correct brother al_zayn.

Sister kite runner - you are also right that there are Muslim named celebrities who do much worse. But as brother al_zayn points out, they don't orchestrate haraam and then throw a Hadith in, confusing many Muslims into thinking the content of DOABM are within the boundaries of the shariah.

I feel a bit sorry for brother Humza to be honest, seems like hes not merely a Muslim by name person but Islam does mean a lot to him. The Al-Qadr video appears to have hit him like a sledge hammer and in his response video he even plays an instrument free nasheed instead of music (at the end, if not beginning). If he has truly learnt the errors of his ways then inshallah he'll do the right thing and take the videos down from his official channel. They're copyrighted so he can get YouTube to take them down if anyone else uploads them.

[PilotVertolet]

Shouting and raising voice is not the way of the Quran or Sunnah - or do we think nowadays its the ''cool/inspirational thing'' to do?

I don't understand where people get this fantastical idea that the DOABM claims to be a lesson in fiqh or is meant to be a robust intellectual lecture. It doesn't claim to be any of that - in fact it is what is says on the tin - its a ''diary of a badman'' - not ''diary of how to live like a Muslim and by the way you should follow me and discard Quran/Sunnah''. This is sheer slander - all that there is in the Al Qadr video is slander - nothing else.

I found it ironic that Jabbar shouts, ''O Muslims....who follow him on twitter and facebook and watch his videos on youtube'' (or something like that) - whilst at the end he wants people to do those exact same things but for himself! That was too funny - what was the point of saying things like that - does he want me to think that brother Humzah has basically forsaken Islam (some of things he accuses him of are so serious it makes he shudder just to repeat them here but Jabbar has no qualms about destroying someone for the sake of appearing to be ''hard'') and I should stigmatise and defame him and follow Al Qadr media - I found that very cheap and distasteful...

Salaam

Ummmm.......

Jaabir described the state of the Prophet, while delivering a Khutbah, by saying, “When the Prophet gave a Khutbah his eyes became red, his voice rose, and his anger increased as if he was warning against an enemy and saying that it had made a morning and evening attack. He would say: ‘The best of speech is the Quran, and the best of guidance is the guidance of Muhammad. The most evil affairs are their innovations; and every innovation is a deviation.’”[Muslim]

[DoctorDeryOne]

I think its brave that the brothers came out and apologised for being part of the videos where Islam was mocked, its not easy to come out infront of everyone and apologise, may Allah azza wa jal accept their repentance....Aameen

I do however hope they don't start making alternative videos with more cringeworthy acting etc..sick of the Muslim comedians

[Saispapedlimi]

This is mainly to all the "unknown" type of people who are senselessly defending the appalling excuse of a comedy known as Diary of a Badman. My sincere advice to such people is to remain silent on such issues, for the bitter truth is that they have no authority to present excuses on behalf of some of the content of the series.

Before I continue with my post, I don't think Humza Arshad is so uneducated that he cannot pronounce the name "Abdul Jabbar" correctly. Quite disgustingly, he has referred to him as "Abdul Jabbala" (1:33) and then "Abdul Jabbalama" (3:20), distorting and mocking one of the beautiful names of Allah Most High, Jabbar. I don't want to be accused of being a "ranting molvi" and judging others so early into my post; hence, I would advise the Badman to follow his own advice, ironically a few seconds after he uttered what he uttered (3:25), and read the Qur'an and hadith if he really is so ignorant of Jabbar being a name of Allah. Furthermore, I think any fair person would agree that to twist somebody's name is a "personal attack", but hey, who is anybody else to judge??!!!

Anyway....

1. Islam is not averse to humour and as rightly stated in one of the posts, some shaykhs do add a bit of humour every now and then in their lectures. However, there is a big difference between humour and outright mockery. Just move away from the Islamic context for a moment and this still stands. Nobody likes to be ridiculed or made fun of, and no matter how "sincerely" innocent the person who is ridiculing considers himself in cracking a joke at somebody's expense, the person on the receiving end will not feel the same way. It is painful to see how when aspects of Islam are ridiculed, we fail to see this and excuse Humza Arshad on the pretext that he was not trying to represent Islam!! In that case, anybody can ridicule the Sunna of the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) and Islamic practices and simply put a disclaimer at the end, stating: "This is in no way, shape or form, intended to be a representation of Islam." Does this justify it? NO!!! I could easily quote the erudite scholars of all schools of fiqh regarding mockery of Islamic teachings and what it constitutes, but I think what I have stated above is sufficient for one who possesses an ounce of sound reasoning.

Allah says, "And if you were to ask them, they would say: 'Surely we were
only jesting and playing.' Say: 'Was it Allah, His Verses,
or His Messenger you were mocking? Make no mistake,
verily you have disbelieved after your belief.' " (9:65-66)


Regarding the circumstances behind the revelation of this verse, Ibn Kathir (rahimahullah) relates how a man said in the Battle of Tabuk, "I have not seen anyone like these reciters (qurra') [a term used for ulama]; they have the hungriest bellies, the most lying of tongues and the biggest cowards at the time of battle." News of this reached the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wasallam). This man came and said, "O Messenger of Allah, I was only jesting and joking." All the while, Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) kept reciting, "Was it Allah, His verses and His Messenger you were mocking?"

In short, if anyone is adamant upon mocking, then let him find members of his own family or friends whom he can mock publicly and who hopefully won't be offended. Or perhaps some of his avid fans and defenders will present their names for this great service. But please, for the sake of your own faith and belief, don't mock anything of Islam.

2. What the youth think or don't think of Abdul Jabbar or the Badman does not really have any bearing on the teachings of Islam. If all the youth of the UK were to think the Badman and his ridicule is acceptable, it will not render it acceptable. Having said that, I know many youngsters who did initially find the Badman's clips to be funny but who themselves identified the sheer mockery of Islam he was presenting in the guise of comedy. So let's not go down the route of who thinks what....

3. "Don't judge others!"...."Only Allah has the right to judge!" etc. are just as deceptive slogans as "As long as my heart's clean!" and "It's your heart that matters" to excuse oneself from following Islam. Yes, only Allah is the true and ultimate judge of matters, but he has granted us guidance in the form of the Quran and Sunna whereby we distinguish between right and wrong. If nobody has the right to judge others, then never should we look down upon or comment on the actions of every mass murderer, serial killer, paedophile, terrorist or any other sick, individual guilty of a heinous crime. And if only Allah has the right to judge, who gave anyone the right to call Al-Qadr Media's response as a publicity stunt and label members of the Islamic clergy as self-righteous? Why did Humza Arshad say that they are doing it to make money? In that case, when an American pastor wants to burn the Qur'an, let him; who are we to judge???

4. Becoming angry for the sake of Allah is part of the Deen. Again, if you are ignorant of that, go check the hadiths describing the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) and how enraged he would become when the rules of Allah Most High were violated. And to say there are bigger issues to be dealt tackled is quite funny coming from a person who condones ridicule of Islam. Perhaps you can highlight some of these "bigger issues" for the outdated, prehistoric Muslims like myself....

With respect to the apology of Humza Arshad, acknowledging that he may have made mistakes, realising the need to be careful in the future and his hoping to become a better person, I pray that Allah grants him sincerity in what he has said.

It is very easy for us to refuse the glaring truth and deny our mistakes, due to the pride and arrogance which lurks within us. For a person who has reached such fame and recognition through his videos on Youtube to publicly retract is undeniably difficult, but my humble advice to him would be to take a step back, view his own content impartially and then think: have I not mocked many aspects of Islam? Just as an example; to say: "Blud, that's just dum! Why would I say uff to my mum!!?" Is that not mockery in light of the verse of Sura Tawba and the incident behind its revelation?

I trust that he is not a "monster" and that his intentions were not malicious. Yes, the charitable acts he has done are all commendable in their own right but that does not detract from the serious issue at hand with the DOABM series and its content. Furthermore, the soundness of our intention does not always translate into correct actions. Lack of knowledge can cause major pitfalls, no matter how good the intention was.

I think the brave and, more importantly, right thing for Humza Arshad to do is to understand his mistakes, repent to Allah Most High and publicly retract and remove his videos. By Allah, it will not dent his reputation or decrease him any way whatsoever, but rather, it will be a means of closeness to Allah Most High and be an inspiration and turning point for many youth, which I am sure he wants deep down. He also needs to understand the sheer anger he has caused many Muslims who cherish the Qur'an and Sunna and which has warranted the severe criticism he has received. It should not be taken as a personal attack.

I pray Allah gives us all the ability to do what is right and the true understanding of Islam. I pray Allah gives Humza Arshad the ability to understand what is right from wrong and enables him to be courageous enough to repent. Amin.

[baronaaba]

This is mainly to all the "unknown" type of people who are senselessly defending the appalling excuse of a comedy known as Diary of a Badman. My sincere advice to such people is to remain silent on such issues, for the bitter truth is that they have no authority to present excuses on behalf of some of the content of the series.

Before I continue with my post, I don't think Humza Arshad is so uneducated that he cannot pronounce the name "Abdul Jabbar" correctly. Quite disgustingly, he has referred to him as "Abdul Jabbala" (1:33) and then "Abdul Jabbalama" (3:20), distorting and mocking one of the beautiful names of Allah Most High, Jabbar. I don't want to be accused of being a "ranting molvi" and judging others so early into my post; hence, I would advise the Badman to follow his own advice, ironically a few seconds after he uttered what he uttered (3:25), and read the Qur'an and hadith if he really is so ignorant of Jabbar being a name of Allah. Furthermore, I think any fair person would agree that to twist somebody's name is a "personal attack", but hey, who is anybody else to judge??!!!

Anyway....

1. Islam is not averse to humour and as rightly stated in one of the posts, some shaykhs do add a bit of humour every now and then in their lectures. However, there is a big difference between humour and outright mockery. Just move away from the Islamic context for a moment and this still stands. Nobody likes to be ridiculed or made fun of, and no matter how "sincerely" innocent the person who is ridiculing considers himself in cracking a joke at somebody's expense, the person on the receiving end will not feel the same way. It is painful to see how when aspects of Islam are ridiculed, we fail to see this and excuse Humza Arshad on the pretext that he was not trying to represent Islam!! In that case, anybody can ridicule the Sunna of the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) and Islamic practices and simply put a disclaimer at the end, stating: "This is in no way, shape or form, intended to be a representation of Islam." Does this justify it? NO!!! I could easily quote the erudite scholars of all schools of fiqh regarding mockery of Islamic teachings and what it constitutes, but I think what I have stated above is sufficient for one who possesses an ounce of sound reasoning.

Allah says, "And if you were to ask them, they would say: 'Surely we were
only jesting and playing.' Say: 'Was it Allah, His Verses,
or His Messenger you were mocking? Make no mistake,
verily you have disbelieved after your belief.' " (9:65-66)


Regarding the circumstances behind the revelation of this verse, Ibn Kathir (rahimahullah) relates how a man said in the Battle of Tabuk, "I have not seen anyone like these reciters (qurra') [a term used for ulama]; they have the hungriest bellies, the most lying of tongues and the biggest cowards at the time of battle." News of this reached the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wasallam). This man came and said, "O Messenger of Allah, I was only jesting and joking." All the while, Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) kept reciting, "Was it Allah, His verses and His Messenger you were mocking?"

In short, if anyone is adamant upon mocking, then let him find members of his own family or friends whom he can mock publicly and who hopefully won't be offended. Or perhaps some of his avid fans and defenders will present their names for this great service. But please, for the sake of your won faith and belief, don't mock anything of Islam.

2. What the youth think or don't think of Abdul Jabbar or the Badman does not really have any bearing on the teachings of Islam. If all the youth of the UK were to think the Badman and his ridicule is acceptable, it will not render it acceptable. Having said that, I know many youngsters who did initially find the Badman's clips to be funny but who themselves identified the sheer mockery of Islam he was presenting in the guise of comedy. So let's not go down the route of who thinks what....

3. "Don't judge others!"...."Only Allah has the right to judge!" etc. are just as deceptive slogans as "As long as my heart's clean!" and "It's your heart that matters" to excuse oneself from following Islam. Yes, only Allah is the true and ultimate judge of matters, but he has granted us guidance in the form of the Quran and Sunna whereby we distinguish between right and wrong. If nobody has the right to judge others, then never should we look down upon or comment on the actions of every mass murderer, serial killer, paedophile, terrorist or any other sick, individual guilty of a heinous crime. And if only Allah has the right to judge, who gave anyone the right to call Al-Qadr Media's response as a publicity stunt and label members of the Islamic clergy as self-righteous? Why did Humza Arshad say that they are doing it to make money? In that case, when an American pastor wants to burn the Qur'an, let him; who are we to judge???

4. Becoming angry for the sake of Allah is part of the Deen. Again, if you are ignorant of that, go check the hadiths describing the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) and how enraged he would become when the rules of Allah Most High were violated. And to say there are bigger issues to be dealt tackled is quite funny coming from a person who condones ridicule of Islam. Perhaps you can highlight some of these "bigger issues" for the outdated, prehistoric Muslims like myself....

With respect to the apology of Humza Arshad, acknowledging that he may have made mistakes, realising the need to be careful in the future and his hoping to become a better person, I pray that Allah grants him sincerity in what he has said.

It is very easy for us to refuse the glaring truth and deny our mistakes, due to the pride and arrogance which lurks within us. For a person who has reached such fame and recognition through his videos on Youtube to publicly retract is undeniably difficult, but my humble advice to him would be to take a step back, view his own content impartially and then think: have I not mocked many aspects of Islam? Just as an example; to say: "Blud, that's just dum! Why would I say uff to my mum!!?" Is that not mockery in light of the verse of Sura Tawba and the incident behind its revelation?

I trust that he is not a "monster" and that his intentions were not malicious. Yes, the charitable acts he has done are all commendable in their own right but that does not detract from the serious issue at hand with the DOABM series and its content. Furthermore, the soundness of our intention does not always translate into correct actions. Lack of knowledge can cause major pitfalls, no matter how good the intention was.

I think the brave and, more importantly, right thing for Humza Arshad to do is to understand his mistakes, repent to Allah Most High and publicly retract and remove his videos. By Allah, it will not dent his reputation or decrease him any way whatsoever, but rather, it will be a means of closeness to Allah Most High and be an inspiration and turning point for many youth, which I am sure he wants deep down. He also needs to understand the sheer anger he has caused many Muslims who cherish the Qur'an and Sunna and which has warranted the severe criticism he has received. It should not be taken as a personal attack.

I pray Allah gives us all the ability to do what is right and the true understanding of Islam. I pray Allah gives Humza Arshad the ability to understand what is right from wrong and enables him to be courageous enough to repent. Amin.

Phenomenal post Mufti Saheb. This should be posted wherever deluded individuals continue to try and defend the content of these videos.

Bottom line as you mentioned - if the protagonist has come to realise his mistakes he will do the right thing and take down the videos iA.

[piramirra]

This is mainly to all the "unknown" type of people who are senselessly defending the appalling excuse of a comedy known as Diary of a Badman. My sincere advice to such people is to remain silent on such issues, for the bitter truth is that they have no authority to present excuses on behalf of some of the content of the series.

Before I continue with my post, I don't think Humza Arshad is so uneducated that he cannot pronounce the name "Abdul Jabbar" correctly. Quite disgustingly, he has referred to him as "Abdul Jabbala" (1:33) and then "Abdul Jabbalama" (3:20), distorting and mocking one of the beautiful names of Allah Most High, Jabbar. I don't want to be accused of being a "ranting molvi" and judging others so early into my post; hence, I would advise the Badman to follow his own advice, ironically a few seconds after he uttered what he uttered (3:25), and read the Qur'an and hadith if he really is so ignorant of Jabbar being a name of Allah. Furthermore, I think any fair person would agree that to twist somebody's name is a "personal attack", but hey, who is anybody else to judge??!!!

Anyway....

1. Islam is not averse to humour and as rightly stated in one of the posts, some shaykhs do add a bit of humour every now and then in their lectures. However, there is a big difference between humour and outright mockery. Just move away from the Islamic context for a moment and this still stands. Nobody likes to be ridiculed or made fun of, and no matter how "sincerely" innocent the person who is ridiculing considers himself in cracking a joke at somebody's expense, the person on the receiving end will not feel the same way. It is painful to see how when aspects of Islam are ridiculed, we fail to see this and excuse Humza Arshad on the pretext that he was not trying to represent Islam!! In that case, anybody can ridicule the Sunna of the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) and Islamic practices and simply put a disclaimer at the end, stating: "This is in no way, shape or form, intended to be a representation of Islam." Does this justify it? NO!!! I could easily quote the erudite scholars of all schools of fiqh regarding mockery of Islamic teachings and what it constitutes, but I think what I have stated above is sufficient for one who possesses an ounce of sound reasoning.

Allah says, "And if you were to ask them, they would say: 'Surely we were
only jesting and playing.' Say: 'Was it Allah, His Verses,
or His Messenger you were mocking? Make no mistake,
verily you have disbelieved after your belief.' " (9:65-66)


Regarding the circumstances behind the revelation of this verse, Ibn Kathir (rahimahullah) relates how a man said in the Battle of Tabuk, "I have not seen anyone like these reciters (qurra') [a term used for ulama]; they have the hungriest bellies, the most lying of tongues and the biggest cowards at the time of battle." News of this reached the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wasallam). This man came and said, "O Messenger of Allah, I was only jesting and joking." All the while, Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) kept reciting, "Was it Allah, His verses and His Messenger you were mocking?"

In short, if anyone is adamant upon mocking, then let him find members of his own family or friends whom he can mock publicly and who hopefully won't be offended. Or perhaps some of his avid fans and defenders will present their names for this great service. But please, for the sake of your won faith and belief, don't mock anything of Islam.

2. What the youth think or don't think of Abdul Jabbar or the Badman does not really have any bearing on the teachings of Islam. If all the youth of the UK were to think the Badman and his ridicule is acceptable, it will not render it acceptable. Having said that, I know many youngsters who did initially find the Badman's clips to be funny but who themselves identified the sheer mockery of Islam he was presenting in the guise of comedy. So let's not go down the route of who thinks what....

3. "Don't judge others!"...."Only Allah has the right to judge!" etc. are just as deceptive slogans as "As long as my heart's clean!" and "It's your heart that matters" to excuse oneself from following Islam. Yes, only Allah is the true and ultimate judge of matters, but he has granted us guidance in the form of the Quran and Sunna whereby we distinguish between right and wrong. If nobody has the right to judge others, then never should we look down upon or comment on the actions of every mass murderer, serial killer, paedophile, terrorist or any other sick, individual guilty of a heinous crime. And if only Allah has the right to judge, who gave anyone the right to call Al-Qadr Media's response as a publicity stunt and label members of the Islamic clergy as self-righteous? Why did Humza Arshad say that they are doing it to make money? In that case, when an American pastor wants to burn the Qur'an, let him; who are we to judge???

4. Becoming angry for the sake of Allah is part of the Deen. Again, if you are ignorant of that, go check the hadiths describing the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) and how enraged he would become when the rules of Allah Most High were violated. And to say there are bigger issues to be dealt tackled is quite funny coming from a person who condones ridicule of Islam. Perhaps you can highlight some of these "bigger issues" for the outdated, prehistoric Muslims like myself....

With respect to the apology of Humza Arshad, acknowledging that he may have made mistakes, realising the need to be careful in the future and his hoping to become a better person, I pray that Allah grants him sincerity in what he has said.

It is very easy for us to refuse the glaring truth and deny our mistakes, due to the pride and arrogance which lurks within us. For a person who has reached such fame and recognition through his videos on Youtube to publicly retract is undeniably difficult, but my humble advice to him would be to take a step back, view his own content impartially and then think: have I not mocked many aspects of Islam? Just as an example; to say: "Blud, that's just dum! Why would I say uff to my mum!!?" Is that not mockery in light of the verse of Sura Tawba and the incident behind its revelation?

I trust that he is not a "monster" and that his intentions were not malicious. Yes, the charitable acts he has done are all commendable in their own right but that does not detract from the serious issue at hand with the DOABM series and its content. Furthermore, the soundness of our intention does not always translate into correct actions. Lack of knowledge can cause major pitfalls, no matter how good the intention was.

I think the brave and, more importantly, right thing for Humza Arshad to do is to understand his mistakes, repent to Allah Most High and publicly retract and remove his videos. By Allah, it will not dent his reputation or decrease him any way whatsoever, but rather, it will be a means of closeness to Allah Most High and be an inspiration and turning point for many youth, which I am sure he wants deep down. He also needs to understand the sheer anger he has caused many Muslims who cherish the Qur'an and Sunna and which has warranted the severe criticism he has received. It should not be taken as a personal attack.

I pray Allah gives us all the ability to do what is right and the true understanding of Islam. I pray Allah gives Humza Arshad the ability to understand what is right from wrong and enables him to be courageous enough to repent. Amin.

Great post, Maulana Sahab!

I just hope Bro. Hamza Arshad gets to read this post and pay heed to the sincere words of Maulana Sahab.

Is there anyone here who could relay this to Br. Hamza?

[Saispapedlimi]

I hope the message gets through to him somehow. It's unfortunate how people still blindly defend him. Wallahu 'l-musta'aan.

[baronaaba]

Mufti Javed - whilst on the topic of mocking the sunnah, how grave are the actions of MPAC and the Asghar Bukhari crew? They're probably the only other group of Muslims who redicule the sunnah, but on a much more regular basis and in what seems a much more intended and provocative manner than DOABM, yet I've rarely ever heard any scholar speak out or criticise them.

[Saispapedlimi]

Mufti Javed - whilst on the topic of mocking the sunnah, how grave are the actions of MPAC and the Asghar Bukhari crew? They're probably the only other group of Muslims who redicule the sunnah, but on a much more regular basis and in what seems a much more intended and provocative manner than DOABM, yet I've rarely ever heard any scholar speak out or criticise them.

To be honest, I don't know what they say or do. If you could elaborate or provide a link to some of their material....

[baronaaba]

To be honest, I don't know what they say or do. If you could elaborate or provide a link to some of their material....

When he was on my facebook, Asghar Bukhari (the founder of MPAC) used to post disgusting comments on a day to day basis, making fun of beards, hijaabs, miswaak. Its difficult to search for specific comments but here are some examples of MPAC's tactics:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9hu2jUeKNQ

http://www.mpacuk.org/content/view/4815/102/ "Jilbaabs and big beards wont help you!"

An example of the extent they're willing to go to 'wake Muslims up': http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...ariedited.png/ (picture has been edited)

[Saispapedlimi]

When he was on my facebook, Asghar Bukhari (the founder of MPAC) used to post disgusting comments on a day to day basis, making fun of beards, hijaabs, miswaak. Its difficult to search for specific comments but here are some examples of MPAC's tactics:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9hu2jUeKNQ

http://www.mpacuk.org/content/view/4815/102/ "Jilbaabs and big beards wont help you!"

An example of the extent they're willing to go to 'wake Muslims up': http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...ariedited.png/ (picture has been edited)

This Shut the Fiqh Up is much worse. And the other links you sent. May Allah protect us all.

[baronaaba]

This Shut the Fiqh Up is much worse. And the other links you sent. May Allah protect us all.

I thought so. Its strange though that MPAC and their mocking of the sunnah has been around for over a decade - much longer than DOABM and with a much more deliberate mocking of the sunnah - yet you hardly hear any criticism of them. They have a pretty sizeable following too and with young naive Muslims regularly signing up with them.