[Lhiistyssdds]

Allah is everywhere.

of course ALLAH is everywhere dont you agree ?

[pIp83Uns]

My Question is , Is this world: matter… 'solid reality' or what we think we 'see'; merely an illusion? Like i mean - in dreams we think that our dreams are reality but the truth is what we see in dreams is actually what our brain makes us see and makes us think that this world is reality but in truth we are only dreaming in state of sleep and that dreamworld is not real , similarly , we have to die someday , so is this World , Matter a Reality or is this world just an illusion just a vision which our brain makes us see ??

Is this World a state of Illusion ? everything we experience Happiness , sorrows , memories , are these things just merely an illusion which our brain makes us see on the inside ? and this illusion will only be removed when we wake up after our Death ?

It (the world) is an illusion in the sense that it appears that what you see (people,those in charge, your teacher, the army, the president) is running things, when in reality it is Allah who is actually running things. So behind everything Allah is the doer. So the world is contingent reality in that it exist through Allah, Allah is sustaining it at every moment. Allah is absolute reality, and has no sustainer, for Allah is al Rabb, the Sustainer.

This is why Allah told us numerous times in the Quran to reflect on His Ayat (signs or could be translated verses)... And verses (ayat) are meant to be read... which is why the Sufis understand the first verse of the Quran revealed to the Prophet (SAW), Irqa (read) means to read Allah's signs, it could not refer to the Quran or hadith because they were not yet revealed. To see Allah behind everything... So when things happen in your life, one should ask what is Allah telling me....

The sufis are in the job of making people literate.... So they can read the signs (Ayat or verses) from Allah...

The fuqaha are concerned with the outward Sunnah of the Prophet (saw)... what he (SAW) physically did.
while the Sufis are concerned with both the Sunnah of the Prophet (SAW)... so that we can worship Allah properly, but they are also concerned with the Sunnah of Allah... how Allah runs things... So they can respond properly....

This is indicated in a several hadith, "be mindful and you will find Allah in front of you." He who knows himself knows his Lord. etc....

Allah is always speaking to us... But most of us are illiterate...

And Allah knows best.

[Kuncher]

of course ALLAH is everywhere dont you agree ?

Repeat after me "May Allah keep us safe and sound."

[nursopoutaras]

of course ALLAH is everywhere dont you agree ?

Allah is most definitely not everywhere.

[pIp83Uns]

Allah is most definitely not everywhere.

Sure He is, it depends what you mean by it. If you mean by it that He is indwells in creation, or that creation indwell in Him, or that He occupies space and time than... this is incorrect.

If you believe He is closer to you than your jugular vein and closer to everything in existence without that closest indicating the closest of my two fingers... or indwelling than yes... Allah is everywhere and sustain everything at every moment. And you will hear the sufis of ahlus sunnah often saying Allah is everything... And this is what they mean... For Allah's closeness is real. And this is correct and does not contradict the Aqida of Ahlus Sunnah (refer to Al Ghazali's creed)

And Allah knows best...

[nursopoutaras]

Sure He is, it depends what you mean by it. If you mean by it that He is indwells in creation, or that creation indwell in Him, or that He occupies space and time than... this is incorrect.

If you believe He is closer to you than your jugular vein and closer to everything in existence without that closest indicating the closest of my two fingers... or indwelling than yes... Allah is everywhere and sustain everything at every moment. And you will hear the sufis of ahlus sunnah often saying Allah is everything... And this is what they mean... For Allah's closeness is real. And this is correct and does not contradict the Aqida of Ahlus Sunnah (refer to Al Ghazali's creed)

And Allah knows best...

OK but generally when people say "everywhere", they are referring to space/place.

[pIp83Uns]

OK but generally when people say "everywhere", they are referring to space/place.

I agree with you 100%, but I am only informing you because I became very judgmental of this one sufi shaykh who happened to be a mufti and trained in the other Islamic disciplines as well who use to say it all the time (Allah is everywhere), so I approached him about it... As if I was knowledgeable enough to do so... And this is how he responded.

[fenter1]

OK but generally when people say "everywhere", they are referring to space/place.

I've noticed that this is not necessarily the case, depending on context. A lot of our ulama of the past and present have said Allah is everywhere in general talks but within the context, they're trying to get across the point that the knowledge of Allah encompasses everything.

[infinkPoode]

It's safer to say that Allah is with a person, it means with His complete knowledge of everything the person says and does, as mentioned in the tafsir of Surah Al-Mujadalah: 7

[Lhiistyssdds]

Allah is most definitely not everywhere.

What i mean by everywhere is knower of every aspect (big or small), and nothing is hidden from Him” it is incorrect to say that Allah Ta’ala is literally “everywhere” and “on his throne”. “Everywhere” is an area restricted within six dimensions. “Throne” is a restricted entity. Allah Ta’ala is the creator of Makaan (place) and the creator of Makaan (place) cannot be contained within his creation, ie, place. my statement that Allah Ta’ala is everywhere intend thereby the absolute knowledge of Allah Ta’ala

[PriernPayorse]

I agree; because then we have people like Adnan Oktar (harun yahya) saying Human is not in the universe but instead the universe is in him because material world is but a perception, only images that are presented to ourselves, thus Allah is everywhere.

May Allah keep us safe and sound.

Brother,I love the hadeeth you quote ,at the end of your every post......"I have left you upon clear guidance............"

I can,t understand why we love to create problems for ourself.
Our eyes 'sees' things...but not actually our eyes...but occipital cortex...which is just a tissue,without eyes !
Who really sees the vision then ?
May be our Rooh,
But then what is Rooh?
If "I" don,t see things,but my Rooh sees them,then where am "I"......
If the world around me is an illusion,what is the guarantee that my brain is not ?
An illusion is perceiving another illusion ???
And then who am "I" anyway ?
My name is XYZ (But that is my name ? Who am I)
I am a Muslim (But Islam is my faith,Who am I?)
I am Indian (But that is my nationality,who am I?)
I am human (But that is my specie,Who am I?

See,is there anyway to get out of such confused philosophies ?
Yes there is !
"I have left you upon clear guidance,it's night is like it's day,no one strays from it except the one who is destroyed"
(Hadeeth)

I repeat after you,with my whole heart :
May Allah swt keep us safe and sound !

[Kuncher]

for your post akhy.

[xIuvyAuT]

And then who am "I" anyway ?
My name is XYZ (But that is my name ? Who am I)
I am a Muslim (But Islam is my faith,Who am I?)
I am Indian (But that is my nationality,who am I?)
I am human (But that is my specie,Who am I?

See,is there anyway to get out of such confused philosophies ?

Perhaps these are slightly more than confused philosophies.
These are the loose connections from the Alastu birabbikum times.
That is what one of our Imams told me. He said that sometimes we feel that we are familiar with something though we have not seen it earlier. He said that these are our connections with that early stage. Wallahuaalam. Of course modern psychology will assert that it is the sickness of deja vu.

In childhood I lost my sleep pondering about these things. I did not have the courage to put these queries to my grand mother, a simple Muslimah but my first mentor in Islam. These questions do pull away the earth beneath your feet.

Greeks might have been amongst the first to record such questions but the questions are natural and must have been occurring even since the advent of humanity on earth - by the order of Allah (SWT). And of course the answer is what you have given. The answer is devastatingly simple, of necessity - it has to be clear to the most simplistic person. Of course deep thinkers are not convinced by these kind of things but that is Allah (SWT)'s way to guide whom He (SWT) wishes and whom He (SWT) wants to go astray. And He (SWT) misguides only those who have a disease in their hearts.

And Allah (SWT) knows the best.

[paulaglober]

Brother,I love the hadeeth you quote ,at the end of your every post......"I have left you upon clear guidance............"

I can,t understand why we love to create problems for ourself.
Our eyes 'sees' things...but not actually our eyes...but occipital cortex...which is just a tissue,without eyes !
Who really sees the vision then ?
May be our Rooh,
But then what is Rooh?
If "I" don,t see things,but my Rooh sees them,then where am "I"......
If the world around me is an illusion,what is the guarantee that my brain is not ?
An illusion is perceiving another illusion ???
And then who am "I" anyway ?
My name is XYZ (But that is my name ? Who am I)
I am a Muslim (But Islam is my faith,Who am I?)
I am Indian (But that is my nationality,who am I?)
I am human (But that is my specie,Who am I?

See,is there anyway to get out of such confused philosophies ?
Yes there is !
"I have left you upon clear guidance,it's night is like it's day,no one strays from it except the one who is destroyed"
(Hadeeth)

I repeat after you,with my whole heart :
May Allah swt keep us safe and sound !

Ana ana, anta anta, huwa huwa...

I sound like a baby.

[somasideff]

The danger in letting your mind dwell with issues like these are many of the view points and
references come from Kuffar and Bidah origins .

Even on islamic esoteric writings there are many ' land mines ' you might step over.

Our approach to these issues are like an example of a KG 1 child trying to flip through a Phd thesis paper.

Reflect on this .

That you do not even have control on your own nafs and the filth of your own heart. Instead of trying to work on them and cleaning your heart we aspire to understand the lord who is creator of our souls . Allah resides in the Mumin's heart . We have heard that before ... right ? So how can you expect your lord to grant you a knowledge on something when where he is supposed to be ( your heart ) is dirty ?

The word illusion is wrong in the first place . Illusion is what a magician dose in a child's party . A movement of hand and trick . It has the inherent meaning of deceiver / deceiving also .
So you should drop that.

You see the confusion already on the thread concerning time and space issues which has
created many controversies in the past.

So its better to concentrate on the station your life is at present in .

[xIuvyAuT]

And I forgot to add what our elders keep telling us. Nazar par yaqeen mat karo, khabar par yaqeen karo.
Believe not your vision, believe news. Vision = what you see. News = what beloved Prophet (PBUH) told us.
I suppose the problem is solved. Whatever beloved Prophet (PBUH) told that is solid reality.

Now let us have a look at the faults of vision. So bring in your favourite optical illusion.

[GinaGomesz]

What in the world is wrong with you guys!!!!! Discussing about abstract theories and non-existant philosophies.

Wallahi such thoughts are from the waswasa of the Shaytaan....!!!

This world and the hereafter is VERY MUCH the REALITY. Allah Ta'ala says in the Quran:

"Behold! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the alternation of the night and day, and the sailing of ships through the ocean for the profit of mankind, and the water which Allah sends down from the skies, thereby reviving the earth after its death, and dispersing therein all kinds of beasts, and (in) the ordinance of the winds, and the clouds subjugated between heaven and earth: are signs for people who have sense."

(Qur'an 2:164)
Its CLEAR that Allah the Almighty CREATED the heavens and the Earth! And this affair is NO JOKE! Do you think this is some kind of a game that you can make STUPID THEORIES about...!!!!

16. We did not create the heaven and the earth and all that is between them in play.

17. If We had wished to find pastime, We could have found it in Our Presence - if ever We did.

(Qur'an 21:16-17)

Ithaqullah...!

56. I have not created jinn nor men except to worship Me.

57. I seek no livelihood from them, nor do I ask them to feed Me.

58. Behold! Allah is He Who gives livelihood, the Lord of Unbreakable Might.

(Qur'an 51:56-58)


Behold Allah is INDEED the ALMIGHTY. And please for Allah's sake STOP discussing such whispering of the shaytaan, how many have reached the outskirts of Jannah and fell into the Hellfire!

[buchmausar]

What in the world is wrong with you guys!!!!! Discussing about abstract theories and non-existant philosophies.

Wallahi such thoughts are from the waswasa of the Shaytaan....!!!

This world and the hereafter is VERY MUCH the REALITY. Allah Ta'ala says in the Quran:

"Behold! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the alternation of the night and day, and the sailing of ships through the ocean for the profit of mankind, and the water which Allah sends down from the skies, thereby reviving the earth after its death, and dispersing therein all kinds of beasts, and (in) the ordinance of the winds, and the clouds subjugated between heaven and earth: are signs for people who have sense."

(Qur'an 2:164)
Its CLEAR that Allah the Almighty CREATED the heavens and the Earth! And this affair is NO JOKE! Do you think this is some kind of a game that you can make STUPID THEORIES about...!!!!

16. We did not create the heaven and the earth and all that is between them in play.

17. If We had wished to find pastime, We could have found it in Our Presence - if ever We did.

(Qur'an 21:16-17)

Ithaqullah...!

56. I have not created jinn nor men except to worship Me.

57. I seek no livelihood from them, nor do I ask them to feed Me.

58. Behold! Allah is He Who gives livelihood, the Lord of Unbreakable Might.

(Qur'an 51:56-58)


Behold Allah is INDEED the ALMIGHTY. And please for Allah's sake STOP discussing such whispering of the shaytaan, how many have reached the outskirts of Jannah and fell into the Hellfire!

This is a very real issue that has been spoken of by scholars brother, I don't think anyone is denying creation, what they are discussing is the nature of creation.

[6M8PJigS]

We should not ask such questions. Some one might punch us in the nose and claim an illusion.

lol

[griddle]

This question is the realm of philosophy, under the category of scepticism. It isn't new, the same questions have been posed since the ancient greeks. And since our ulema in the past dealt heavily with greek philosophy, they were well aware of these problems.

The world isn't an illusion, it's real.

The old theologians were Aristotelian, they took parts of his epistemology because it could be used to defend islam. Aristotle said that phenomena actually exist, they are as they appear to be. As one of my teachers said 'honey tastes sweet, and it actually IS sweet'. It is haram to be a sceptic about sensory experience. This is stated in nasafiyya, in the first part of the book he deals with islamic epistemology, categorically stating this.

If you're interested, read some aristotle, he is basically the quintessential anti-sceptic. He gives good reasons why things are as they appear to be. And I mean this literally, not in the sense of modern science that tends to regard the qualities of things as mere appearance (which is part of why this question arises). Honey tastes sweet because it actually is. It's essentia is such that it is sweet. Phenomena aren't caused by the brain.