[KongoSan]

'I know that alot of Muslim communities started off in the west by praying in the churches here.'

ASA,

We have a community masjid in my town that was a Roman Catholic church, it still looks like the church (structure, colour tinted windows) from the outside (over 250 years old building.) Needless to say all christian pictures, symbols etc. were removed inside.

Salaam, I know what you mean I think, but I mean that the Muslim communities prayed in churches here while they were active, working churchs. This is what I mean.

[GinaGomesz]

Salaam,

Is it haraam by consensus for non-Muslims to pray in a masjid? What have the ulama said about this? Seriously does anyone know?

akhi.

Who do non-Muslims pray to? Well definitely not Allah.
Is that shirk? Yes.

Now do you think that's not haraam brother? Easter is shirk, there is no doubt about that. If Muslims give permission to commit shirk in the masjid...

[Keeriewof]

From what I understand, Easter prayers were held in a community hall (a rental space belonging to SALAM) next to the masjid, not in the masjid itself.

[KongoSan]

akhi.

Who do non-Muslims pray to? Well definitely not Allah.
Is that shirk? Yes.

Now do you think that's not haraam brother? Easter is shirk, there is no doubt about that. If Muslims give permission to commit shirk in the masjid...

Salaam brother,

What does it matter what I think? I have no knowledge, I don't know if it is haraam by consensus to allow non-muslims to pray in a masjid (recognizing that these people did not actually pray in a masjid but rather a hall). As others here are more knowledgeable, I would like to know simply;

a) is it haraam by consensus to allow non-muslims to pray in a masjid?
b) is it haraam by consensus for muslims to pray in other places of (batil) worship?

I just want to know what the ulama have said in this regard, as I am sure this has been discussed by the fuqaha.

[GinaGomesz]

Now muslims have become so liberal that they are not sure if they can allow 'shirk' in the mosque or not!!!

[Keeriewof]

I would be interested to know too since I am under the impression that we Muslims can pray almost anywhere (including multi-faith prayer rooms in various institutions) and mosques are meant to be transparent, open and inviting spaces for congregation where anyone can enter as long as certain codes are respected (hijab, modesty, voice control, cleanliness; and no pictures, statues, singing and dancing).

Anyone?

[edit: just to be clear, I'm not saying mosques are open for worship for non-Muslims... just that they can enter it. Certainly, in NA I've known mosques to hold open-houses and invite non-Muslims into the mosque to learn about Islam... I know in some Muslim countries, as long as the 'tourist' respects the space and its importance for Muslims, they are allowed to enter and 'check-it-out'... again, you see news reporters, cameramen and photographers entering mosques too.]

[KongoSan]

Now muslims have become so liberal that they are not sure if they can allow 'shirk' in the mosque or not!!!

Again dear brother, I have no knowledge, and I am obligated to take knowledge from the ulama of this ummah before I can believe anything about another muslim and their actions. So I just want to know what the ulama and fuqaha have said in this regard;

a) is it haraam by consensus to allow non-muslims to pray inside a masjid?
b) is it haraam by consensus for muslims to pray in a church, temple, etc?

I'm not sure because I am not a scholar nor do I know the opinion in this regard. So, I am asking what the ulama have said in this regard; is there a consensus view, majority view, etc. Someone must know since there seems to be so much certainty in this regard.

[apatteopipt]

The holiest festivals of Aztecs, Mayans, etc. involved cutting the beating heart out of a living person, if they were still around would it be proper to let them do that in a Masjid?

Surely you can see the difference between cutting the beating heart out of a living person and harmlessly worshipping a god in a mosque? If not then this certainly explains why so many terrorists exist within Islam - you clearly have your priorities way off base.

[GinaGomesz]

Surely you can see the difference between cutting the beating heart out of a living person and harmlessly worshipping a god in a mosque? If not then this certainly explains why so many terrorists exist within Islam - you clearly have your priorities way off base.

In front of Allah Ta'ala worshiping someone other than HIM is a bigger sin than murder.

[Extinimot]

Surely you can see the difference between cutting the beating heart out of a living person and harmlessly worshipping a god in a mosque? If not then this certainly explains why so many terrorists exist within Islam - you clearly have your priorities way off base.

Brother Amr123 explained my reasoning for that statement quite well:

In front of Allah Ta'ala worshiping someone other than HIM is a bigger sin than murder.

but to elaborate further: easter celebrations are shirk, the human sacrifices of the Aztecs were also shirk (and murder). Shirk is shirk, it doesn't matter whether the packaging for it is jahils who believe Isa was more than a man or maniacs cutting out people's hearts; the end result is the same. Muslims would have no problem disallowing human sacrifice in a Masjid*, but when it comes to the shirk of christians some of them have no problem allowing it because it comes in a nicer package.

Additionally, there is no such thing as a "harmless" sin, and a sin on the community level is far worse than one on the individual.

*acknowledging in this case, apparently easter prayers were not held in a Masjid.

[xIuvyAuT]

Surely you can see the difference between cutting the beating heart out of a living person and harmlessly worshipping a god in a mosque? If not then this certainly explains why so many terrorists exist within Islam - you clearly have your priorities way off base.

Gratuitous.

[Loopyjr]

Peace be upon those who seek His Guidance.

There is ANOTHER way to look at this:

disbelievers like abid786 deny the existance of Allah and therefore seek to deny any "rights" and privileges due to Him. Associating others with Him- shirk- is perfectly acceptable to his ilk on account of his disbelief.

They seek to make open violation of rights due to Allah as valid as worship of Allah, eventually seeking for believers to compromise and acquiesce to THEIR prejudices against Allah. And that ultimately arrives at the point of rendering worship and obedience to Allah a criminal act itself (as evident in many Communist countries in decades past), a criminal act punished with death (such as Nimrod's punishment of rasul Ibrahim (as), the people of the Pit, and more recently, believers of Syria).

I find entertaining the bigotry of disbelief truly appalling. They deny Allah His rights to be worshipped and favor believers succumb to their ego driven prejudices?

I think not.


Disbelief is NOT rational- it's rooted in the heart's rebellion.

But as abid786 disbelieves in Allah, I can freely disbelieve in abid786's existance. He might write some words on this forum, but they are just are logically the writing of some other user pretending to be him.

[slimfifa]

Surely you can see the difference between cutting the beating heart out of a living person and harmlessly worshipping a god in a mosque? If not then this certainly explains why so many terrorists exist within Islam - you clearly have your priorities way off base.

How does this explain 'many terrorists'? I) Islaam has zero to do with terrorism. 2) Eradication of shirk is a basic tennent (in fact the most important) of Islaam...See my signature in case you don't know what shirk means.

[Kristoferson]

Calm down abdulwahhab, amr, maripat, sudoku like seriously. Your foaming at the mouth reactions are too embarrassing...subhanAllah I just wish you guys could reread your posts not once but 10 times before you hit the submit button.

[Sydrothcoathy]

Calm down abdulwahhab, amr, maripat, sudoku like seriously. Your foaming at the mouth reactions are too embarrassing...subhanAllah I just wish you guys could reread your posts not once but 10 times before you hit the submit button.

Maybe you need to take your advice a 1000 times instead of 10.

[GinaGomesz]

Calm down abdulwahhab, amr, maripat, sudoku like seriously. Your foaming at the mouth reactions are too embarrassing...subhanAllah I just wish you guys could reread your posts not once but 10 times before you hit the submit button.

Feel free to press Alt+F4

[Kristoferson]

Didn't Prophet Muhammad pbuh allow a Christian delegation from Najran to pray at his Mosque?

And didn't Allah s.w.t say 'churches and synagogues are places where His Name is glorified' so what is all this hate ?

[GinaGomesz]

Didn't Prophet Muhammad pbuh allow a Christian delegation from Najran to pray at his Mosque?

And didn't Allah s.w.t say 'churches and synagogues are places where His Name is glorified' so what is all this hate ?

Oooh. Mufti aunty. Thank you for enlightening us.

[Sydrothcoathy]

Calm down abdulwahhab, amr, maripat, sudoku like seriously. Your foaming at the mouth reactions are too embarrassing...subhanAllah I just wish you guys could reread your posts not once but 10 times before you hit the submit button.

Rasulullah has said,

You will follow the ways of those nations who preceded you very closely; even if they entered a lizard's hole you would follow them into it

Take warning and heed. On the Day of Qiyaamah this flagrant act of allowing/aiding/abetting Shirk to take place will be such a source of regret that you would wish to ransom all that you have to rid yourself of condoning this act.

May Allah Ta'ala grant us all ma'rifah.

[Sydrothcoathy]

Didn't Prophet Muhammad pbuh allow a Christian delegation from Najran to pray at his Mosque?

And didn't Allah s.w.t say 'churches and synagogues are places where His Name is glorified' so what is all this hate ?

I think you forgot the second part of the story. Let me remind you for your benefit. Rasulullah then challenged them to make dua for destruction (mabaahalah)!! He said to them come if you are true then we gather with our families and make dua to Allah for destruction to see who is on the truth.

Hopefully this has jogged your memory.