[Frodogzzz]

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when imam is musafir(Traveller) and muqtadi are muqim in isha and Asar salat,so when muqim muqtadi stand up after imam's salam,they cant recite any thing in those 2 rakats,only stant up(like duration of 1 big aayat or 3 small aayah or 3 tasbih)

[Stappipsy]

What are other 'Ulamaa's thoughts on the article by the Majlis?

Also, some of the Hanafis do not practicethe opinion of Imam's Salah valid according to the follower is not necessary.

I am interested in what other scholars have said.

[Peertantyb]

Bismihee Ta'aal

Asalamualaikum


I don't really know much about The Majlis and the situation in SA, so I just had a few questions:

1. Is The Masjlis well respected by majority of the ulema in SA?

2. What do the other Deobandi Ulema have to say about the Imam visiting?

3. I saw that Deoband invited Imam Sudais and had him lead Jumuah Salaah. What about this then?

[Stappipsy]

1. Is The Masjlis well respected by majority of the ulema in SA?

Many people tend to avoid Majlis in stuff.
People respect them but many tend to be wary of them.

[indocrew]

Ulama in South Africa in general respect Moulana A S Desai. They may not agree with some of his academic stances or with his harsh tone but they still respect him nonetheless.

Today I was listening to a discourse of Mufti Ebrahim Salejee saheb. He was mentioning that a person should respect an 'aalim, even if that 'aalim may err in some way or the other. Even if you do not agree with an 'aalim's views etc, the respect should remain there as he is doing the work of Deen. Leave the 'aalim to his deeds and you keep to yourself and follow those you believe are right. Disrespecting an 'aalim, especially if he is a Wali of Allah can have dire consequences.

Mufti Saheb mentioned about a person who accused Moulana Maseehullah of being against Tableeghi Jamaat. Moulana did not pay attention to this accusation. However this man's life began deteriorating, starting from leaving the beard, to sunnah clothing, to even salaah. His family life was shattering. Finally someone told him to apologize to Moulana Maseehullah and he realized that all his problems began when he had disrespected the Shaykh. Moulana Maseehullah received the letter and was too humble to acknowledge that this drastic change came to the man because of the insult. However the man's life once again changed, for the better.

[mosypeSom]

guys just dont go to the masjids that will be hosting the Imaam, I decided long ago that if it so happens that Im' there then so be it but Im not going to run around for a man, he is but a man, his salah will not raise yours one bit. then ontop of that you travel past 2 or 3 masajid just to get to the masjid that his at, leaving the sunnah of the closest masjid.

but you know what this will go on for ever because people are gugu gaga over these famous imaams. & its more because we atracted to the dhahir & not to the baatin.

[sarasmid]

guys just dont go to the masjids that will be hosting the Imaam, I decided long ago that if it so happens that Im' there then so be it but Im not going to run around for a man, he is but a man, his salah will not raise yours one bit. then ontop of that you travel past 2 or 3 masajid just to get to the masjid that his at, leaving the sunnah of the closest masjid.

but you know what this will go on for ever because people are gugu gaga over these famous imaams. & its more because we atracted to the dhahir & not to the baatin.

Good point. Only if the people showed the same respect for the Haram, as much as they respect the Imam of Haram.

If one goes to the Haram, one will be appalled at the transgressions committed by the masses of the Muslims. It just so paining.

[indocrew]

guys just dont go to the masjids that will be hosting the Imaam, I decided long ago that if it so happens that Im' there then so be it but Im not going to run around for a man, he is but a man, his salah will not raise yours one bit. then ontop of that you travel past 2 or 3 masajid just to get to the masjid that his at, leaving the sunnah of the closest masjid.

but you know what this will go on for ever because people are gugu gaga over these famous imaams. & its more because we atracted to the dhahir & not to the baatin.

That is a good point.

Monday after 'Ishaa salaah one of the Imam of the masjid announced that there would be a small talk on the great sahaba Muaz bin Jabal by a great scholar. I am sure all the listeners wondered who was this great scholar, maybe expecting someone out of town. The Imam then continued and mentioned the name of the main Imam of our masjid, Moulana Ahmad Chohan, who indeed is a very great person . I admit I laughed but felt ashamed, and immediately the thought came to my mind

"Ghar ki murghi daal barabar" ie "The chicken curry of the house is like lentils".

We should appreciate the imam of our own localities who do so much work for the Masjid and the community in general.

[KacypeJeope]

Why shouldnt we be visiting the masajid where the imams are invited ? Who made them Imam ? If they have been blessed to have lead the prayer in the best place on earth doesnt that make them special. Dont forget that Allah SWT willed for that person to be an imam for so many years, so he must be doing something good even if it doesnt match with our definitions of good.

It seems strange that we are ready to accept the lofty status of ulema who having been teaching in madaris or khanqahs. But the same doesnt apply for people who are leading the ummah in the foremost ibadah in the best place on earth.

So many times I see people flocking to masajid where our elders are invited. Does that make the salah virtuous ? No but still we do it. Why these double standards.

[Gremlinn]

Why shouldnt we be visiting the masajid where the imams are invited ? Who made them Imam ? If they have been blessed to have lead the prayer in the best place on earth doesnt that make them special. Dont forget that Allah SWT willed for that person to be an imam for so many years, so he must be doing something good even if it doesnt match with our definitions of good.

It seems strange that we are ready to accept the lofty status of ulema who having been teaching in madaris or khanqahs. But the same doesnt apply for people who are leading the ummah in the foremost ibadah in the best place on earth.

So many times I see people flocking to masajid where our elders are invited. Does that make the salah virtuous ? No but still we do it. Why these double standards.

I must say that I agree there.

[sarasmid]

Why shouldnt we be visiting the masajid where the imams are invited ? Who made them Imam ? If they have been blessed to have lead the prayer in the best place on earth doesnt that make them special. Dont forget that Allah SWT willed for that person to be an imam for so many years, so he must be doing something good even if it doesnt match with our definitions of good.

It seems strange that we are ready to accept the lofty status of ulema who having been teaching in madaris or khanqahs. But the same doesnt apply for people who are leading the ummah in the foremost ibadah in the best place on earth.

So many times I see people flocking to masajid where our elders are invited. Does that make the salah virtuous ? No but still we do it. Why these double standards.

I think you missed the point. The issue is not on visting the Masjid where the Imam is hosted. What is being discussed here, is people coming from afar to pray behind the visiting Imam as if it is something more virtuous to pray behind him.

No One is contending the issue of visiting and meeting the Imams.

[Gremlinn]

I think you missed the point. The issue is not on visting the Masjid where the Imam is hosted. What is being discussed here, is people coming from afar to pray behind the visiting Imam as if it is something more virtuous to pray behind him.

No One is contending the issue of visiting and meeting the Imams.

Perhaps he did not like this point:

"but you know what this will go on for ever because people are gugu gaga over these famous imaams. & its more because we atracted to the dhahir & not to the baatin."

[indocrew]

^ But that is a valid point. Why don't we go 'gugu gaga' over the Imam of our own masjid? Are they any less than these famous Imam?

I'm not saying to boycott the Imam of Haramayn, . However the amount of respect we give to them, we should give to the leaders of our own community as Allah has chosen them to lead us.

It is just like a mureed should go 'gugu gaga' over his own shaykh rather than another more famous shaykh.

[Gremlinn]

^ But that is a valid point. Why don't we go 'gugu gaga' over the Imam of our own masjid? Are they any less than these famous Imam?

I'm not saying to boycott the Imam of Haramayn, . However the amount of respect we give to them, we should give to the leaders of our own community as Allah has chosen them to lead us.

It is just like a mureed should go 'gugu gaga' over his own shaykh rather than another more famous shaykh.

We don’t go gugu gaga over our local Imams because we pray behind them day in and day out, sister. But the Imams of the Haramayn Sharifayn come to our masjids or madaaris once in a blue moon, maybe. They have been blessed with the opportunity to lead salah in the House of Allah and in the Prophet’s mosque and I think that it is natural for Muslims to love them and seek to see them, visit them and listen to what they say when they come to our cities. Secondly, I don’t think that refusing to go to a mosque where the Imam of the Haram is going to lead prayers is going to increase the respect that we give to our local Imams. After all, Hadrat Mawlana Laat Sb is in Bombay and people are flocking from all over the city to listen to him. Yet, no one is saying that the local Imams are being given less respect because most of the muqtadis in Tablighi mosques are going to listen to Hadrat. People go to attend the mosque when such personalities come in a very positive and enthusiastic frame of mind and I think that there is no need to spread negativity unnecessarily.

[indocrew]

Like I said, I'm not saying boycott the Imam of Haramayn. Why would I say that anyways?

My point was that an Imam who leads our community through years doesn't get the respect that a person who comes for one day will. That is not correct.

In any case, I don't think my point is being recognized or I am not explaining myself well, so I shall refrain from mentioning it.

[KacypeJeope]

The only thing I am trying to say is that the respect they get is not because of their persona but because of the nisbat they have with Baitullah.
It is by Allah SWT will that they are where they are and this is something to be kept in mind at all times.

[Kuncher]

It is good Ml Desai is reminding us of KSA leaders' dhulm. However Shaykh Mu'ayqali has nothing to do with it, I don't see the logic behind associating the shaykh and the saudi regime. At most he should be advised in private. Most leaders of muslim countries are corrupt, how about the 'ulama of Pakistan (Grand mufti) ?

Wassalam.

[CorpoRasion]

It is good Ml Desai is reminding us of KSA leaders' dhulm. However Shaykh Mu'ayqali has nothing to do with it, I don't see the logic behind associating the shaykh and the saudi regime. At most he should be advised in private. Most leaders of muslim countries are corrupt, how about the 'ulama of Pakistan (Grand mufti) ?

Wassalam.

I don't know but it seems like you have not read the following parts of the article by Mawlana AS Desai:

It is not a secret that the Imaams of the Haramain Shareef when visiting countries do so in the capacity as ambassadors of the faasiq Saudi Arabian regime. The honourable Sheikh is not on a holiday or sight-seeing mission. [U]He is an express messenger of the Saudi regime. There is nothing in the Saudi king for Muslims to be proud of. He is viewed by the vast majority of the Ummah as an American lackey, a Zaalim (Oppressor) and a liability to the Deen. The honourable Imaam, Shaikh Al-Maiqily’s visit to South Africa should be viewed in the light of the aforementioned background. We are not asking Muslims to disrespect the Sheikh. Whilst the totally westernized brains of the Saudi king will not comprehend the abhorrence of the standing urinals, perhaps the Imaam will. In all likelihood the Imaam may be unaware of the existence of the abhorrent contraptions. His attention should be drawn to this very important issue. When the last Saudi Sheikh had visited South Africa, we had prepared a letter for him. However, the South African poodle attached to the Saudi embassy had refused to hand the letter to the Imaam. Germane to the Imaam of the Haram, we had made only one claim: That he is the ambassador of the Saudi King - that he represents the brutal, Saudi regime - the surrogate state of the U.S.A. – that he represents a brutal, faasiq regime which is in the process of plundering and pillaging Islam. In his official capacity as the representative (Wakeel) and messenger (rasool) of the Saudi King, the honourable Imaam Maiqily, must necessarily assume full responsibility for the atrocities of the Saudi regime. The hand of the wakeel (agent) is the hand of the mu-akkil (principal). The Imaam’s programme in South African is under the auspices of the Saudi Embassy as is evidenced by the notices and posters of the Saudi Embassy in Pretoria

[clapsoewmred]

Salam

JZK for the info, our beloved Deobandi scholars are very slow in response to latter day salafiya group's version of Islam (includes Deobandi rebuttals). This is How latter day salafiya work, they use these Imams to come to our masjids, then they take over.

[sarasmid]

I don't know but it seems like you have not read the following parts of the article by Mawlana AS Desai:

Still, the Imam is implicated indirectly.