[appletango]

seriously,sometimes I think people on this forum people would like others to be hanafi but not practicing than be salafis yet practising. The condition of the ummah is all over the show and here we are criticisng a org because they don't follow the same methodology as most of the people on here.

Like I said, I know a few people who came back to deen via the salafi dawah. Now I may not agree with all of their methodology but no way am I going to criticise the whole group as they are doing something to change the condition of the ummah. Yes,salafism is very harsh in so many aspects but in terms of making effort to get people back to practising, should be commended.

[flueftArete]

seriously,sometimes I think people on this forum people would like others to be hanafi but not practicing than be salafis yet practising. The condition of the ummah is all over the show andhere we are criticisng a org because they don't follow the same methodology as most of the people on here.

Like I said, I know a few people who came back to deen via the salafi dawah. Now I may not agree with all of their methodology but no way am I going to criticise the whole group as they are doing something to change the condition of the ummah. Yes,salafism is very harsh in so many aspects but in terms of making effort to get people back to practising, should be commended.

Have you read about Farhat Hashmi in detail? Do you truly believe it's just about her being salafi?

And secondly, okay people on this forum want everyone to be Hanafi... What can be done about these people?

[appletango]

Have you read about Farhat Hashmi in detail? Do you truly believe it's just about her being salafi?

And secondly, okay people on this forum want everyone to be Hanafi... What can be done about these people?

hazrat

Maulana, the biggest issue we face is getting people just closer to deen. once they come closer to deen,inshallah then with wisdom we can make people understand or explain certain things. The vast majority of Muslims have no spirit and desire to come close to deen,practise etc. so if via salafism,al huda or whoever they start coming to masjid,start dressing modestly, start reciting the quran, start to make their the charcater and habits of that of the Prophet and his companions then the rest,meaning methodologies,fiqh etc can be tackled later.

we are worried about people joining al huda whereas atleast they are realising the importance of bringing deen into their life and doing something about it.

[flueftArete]

Masha'Allah.

So what do you suggest about people on the forum who want everyone to be Hanafi.

[appletango]

Masha'Allah.

So what do you suggest about people on the forum who want everyone to be Hanafi.

you tell me (might as well use them before they are classed as haram)

don't care.

[jabader]

I apologize if I offend someone unwillingly ( willingly is another matter ), but it's more than just reading the Qur'an and its meanings. Joining their courses and attendance actually plants a seen in the hearts of the attendees. That seed being "these people can't be wrong"; due to their limited knowledge, they don't see the outcomes of these actions, and eventually, they bring home a few wrong understandings.

These understandings pass along into their children, and hence they turn towards deviance.

The problem here is not that the members of this forum want everyone to be hanafi/maliki/shafii/hanbali, rather, the problem here is that a few members here have been living in the west or in the environments where pseudo-salafism got a chance to be deep-rooted so strongly that every other person they meet, supports this deviation, so our brothers/sisters have started ignoring it as a real deviation and now they want everyone else to be immune to this fitnah as well.

[flueftArete]

you tell me (might as well use them before they are classed as haram)

don't care.

If you don't care, then why do you bring it up?

[appletango]

If you don't care, then why do you bring it up?

I don't care on a personal level. I'll bring it up if the topic warrants it(imo)

[VYholden]

you tell me (might as well use them before they are classed as haram)

don't care.

Can you prove that the all or at least the majority, or even a large percentage of the people on this forum want 'everyone' to be Hanafi?

Please provide evidence with refernces.

[flueftArete]

I don't care on a personal level. I'll bring it up if the topic warrants it(imo)

That's not a very responsible behaviour.

[VYholden]

Can you prove that the all or at least the majority, or even a large percentage of the people on this forum want 'everyone' to be Hanafi?

Please provide evidence with refernces.

I think its fair to say, no proof can be provided and the claim against the forum members is unsubstantiated and one that incites divisiveness. Brother Enigma, I request that, in your newly found intellectual and moral anarchy against Deobandis, you refrain from making sweeping statements about groups of people, whether they be ulamah, Deobandi's or SF members that are the cause of disunity and incitation. For a member who just recently started a thread asking old members to return, I cannot fathom why so many of your writings are alienating and intolerant of Deobandi methodologies. I request that you please practice what you are preaching.

[DoctorDeryOne]

i want people to be Malikis, i think malikis are very cool

[appletango]

Can you prove that the all or at least the majority, or even a large percentage of the people on this forum want 'everyone' to be Hanafi?

Please provide evidence with refernces.

I don't think I said I think everyone on here wants everyone to be a Hanafi,but more deobandi in thought and actions.

the way the forum has gone is proof enough. By the way, I would like to post something in the thread of why people left as someone emailed me to post on their behalf on why he left.

anyway,lets not derail the topic.

[appletango]

I think its fair to say, no proof can be provided and the claim against the forum members is unsubstantiated and one that incites divisiveness. Brother Enigma, I request that, in your newly found intellectual and moral anarchy against Deobandis, you refrain from making sweeping statements about groups of people, whether they be ulamah, Deobandi's or SF members that are the cause of disunity and incitation. For a member who just recently started a thread asking old members to return, I cannot fathom why so many of your writings are alienating and intolerant of Deobandi methodologies. I request that you please practice what you are preaching.

except look at the forum the way it was and how its become. The way the forum was and what its become is proof enough.

now back on topic please.

[VYholden]

I don't think I said I think everyone on here wants everyone to be a Hanafi, but more deobandi in thought and actions.

the way the forum has gone is proof enough. By the way, I would like to post something in the thread of why people left as someone emailed me to post on their behalf on why he left.

anyway,lets not derail the topic.

Please prove the underlined then. As mentioned earlier, with evidence and references please to prove this point:
Everyone on the forum (SF) wants everyone to be Deobandi in thought and actions.

The topic is already derailed when every thread turns into a remark about Deobandis/ Deobandi methodogies/ Hanafis/ the alleged consistency of Salafis etc. etc. You cannot derail a thread and then when asked for proof, say 'back to topic.'

[appletango]

I think its fair to say, no proof can be provided and the claim against the forum members is unsubstantiated and one that incites divisiveness. Brother Enigma, I request that, in your newly found intellectual and moral anarchy against Deobandis, you refrain from making sweeping statements about groups of people, whether they be ulamah, Deobandi's or SF members that are the cause of disunity and incitation. For a member who just recently started a thread asking old members to return, I cannot fathom why so many of your writings are alienating and intolerant of Deobandi methodologies. I request that you please practice what you are preaching.

im not and if thats what you assume,then you have missed my very points im trying to make.

[Sydneyfonzi]

i want people to be Malikis, i think malikis are very cool

Man! Thats so strange!!!

So do I...

S-P-O-O-K-Y

[flueftArete]

except look at the forum the way it was and how its become. The way the forum was and what its become is proof enough.

now back on topic please.

I've heard this millions of times how forum was and how it is now.

Can you please make a new thread and then list point-wise how it was and how it is now. I've given you some advice in the bro's section,, please read it there.

[VYholden]

im not and if thats what you assume,then you have missed my very points im trying to make.

Your posts seem to indicate that. If you want, I can provide quotes, but it would be best that you read through your owns posts and consider how they come across. How about this: try and abstain from making any comments about Hanafi methods, Deobandi inconsistency, SF members/ moderators inconsistency, Deobandis and Deobandi ulamah for the next 100 posts?

...... just for the sake of a bit of variety.

[appletango]

Please prove the underlined then. As mentioned earlier, with evidence and references please to prove this point:
Everyone on the forum (SF) wants everyone to be Deobandi in thought and actions.

The topic is already derailed when every thread turns into a remark about Deobandis/ Deobandi methodogies/ Hanafis/ the alleged consistency of Salafis etc. etc. You cannot derail a thread and then when asked for proof, say 'back to topic.'

deoband thought,manhaj is the overiding version of Islam that is adopted by the majority if not all the shura members. that is then played out on the forums and threads by basically portraying deoband manhaj on some sort of higher level of haq.

Like all other opinions are somehow not quite 'right' enough or that deoband academia is somehow more superior.

anyway, not derailing another thread. If people want to aks these questions, i'd suggest you open up the why people left thread and post there or something.

POSTED THIS BEFORE I READ THE ADVICE BY UMHASAN.