[boffincash]

I'm not sure if this is relevant to post as maybe it's becoming the normal thing these days. I know three more sisters who come from traditional hanafi/guji backgrounds join the al Huda course....

Why?

There's no other ideal alternative.... maybe there is but they don't advertise and promote as well as Al Huda. I went to one of their graduation ceremonies... they were so organised, handing out bottles of water and little gift bags with leaflets, cds and duah books. They have a strong missionary ethos inviting all to their courses.... you have diplomas and teacher training courses... the most attractive being the tafseer classes......

[Flirigor]

I'm not sure if this is relevant to post as maybe it's becoming the normal thing these days. I know three more sisters who come from traditional hanafi/guji backgrounds join the al Huda course....

Why?

There's no other ideal alternative.... maybe there is but they don't advertise and promote as well as Al Huda. I went to one of their graduation ceremonies... they were so organised, handing out bottles of water and little gift bags with leaflets, cds and duah books. They have a strong missionary ethos inviting all to their courses.... you have diplomas and teacher training courses... the most attractive being the tafseer classes......

sister one tinywish.. i actually couldnt understand your post..

i have heard and know that Al huda people.. are.. a bit.. have.. i mean we shouldnt go to their classes.. they said that it is allowed to touch Quran without wudu..

[TriammaMade]

sister one tinywish.. i actually couldnt understand your post..

i have heard and know that Al huda people.. are.. a bit.. have.. i mean we shouldnt go to their classes.. they said that it is allowed to touch Quran without wudu..

lol! sis are you sure of this??? btw who are the Al-Huda people?

[Flirigor]

Actually I was learning tajweed from a girl who graduated from Al Huda in Mississauga,

And she said, you can recite Quran during menstruation but not touch it.
But she does both during her menstruation - read and touch. Nauzubillah.

I go to this madrassa called Fahm e deen..a park or bait us salam musjid karachi.. and is related to mufti Taqi Usmani.

and they said that you can read but not in continuation but like after pauses.. (i dont know how to explain )

EDIT; it was for a mualima who "has " to teach other people quraan

[Gerribase]

I'm not sure if this is relevant to post as maybe it's becoming the normal thing these days. I know three more sisters who come from traditional hanafi/guji backgrounds join the al Huda course....

Why?

There's no other ideal alternative.... maybe there is but they don't advertise and promote as well as Al Huda. I went to one of their graduation ceremonies... they were so organised, handing out bottles of water and little gift bags with leaflets, cds and duah books. They have a strong missionary ethos inviting all to their courses.... you have diplomas and teacher training courses... the most attractive being the tafseer classes......

Is this in UK? If so, can you pls post a link for their UK website.

Jzk

[Ettiominiw]

they r banned in uae.
still sisters risk it & meet up unanimously at someones house to join their online classes.

[adariseediups]

Zaynab academy?

[fenter1]

Women can't recite the Qur'an or touch it during menstruation. What they can do is recite du'as and make adhkaar, regardless of whether they are from Qur'an or not. For example, reciting the du'a for traveling is permissible regardless of whether the woman is menstruating or not, despite this du'a being from the Qur'an. But, the woman cannot recite ayaat from the Qur'an.

[Cyzkrahu]

aoa,

are you aware that dr. farhat hashmi is a scholar who can produce her own rulings?have you researched her academic background or do you know about her academic background from the fatwa given against her by binnoria town?i think its unfair that just because somebody isnt deobandi or hasnt graduated from a deobandi madrassah that she not be taken seriously.

regarding reading the Quran from memory for a menstruating woman:there is a difference in opinion. the majority say it is haram. minority say its permissible. However you may note that : "This is the opinion of Maalik, and one opinion narrated from Ahmad, which Ibn Taymiyah preferred and which al-Shawkaani believed to be correct."
these are very respectable names. respected by every scholar who isnt biased. (this is the source:http://www.islam-qa dot com/en/ref/2564/touching%20Quran%20during%20menstruation) . i know most ppl here hate this site but atleast give the scholar credit for honestly stating the daleels by both sides.)
so you have to see that one party cannot condemn the other. so why condemn farhat hashmi or al huda?

everyone is in agreement that one cannot 'touch the mushaf' while menstruating.

please provide evidence she or alhuda stated one can touch the mushaf while menstruating. if there is any such evidence i will retract my claims.

secondly:
are you aware al huda teaches stuff other than how a menstruating woman should read the Qur'an?are you aware of how many women they have brought closer to islam?is there any other madrassah that has the same level of achievement for women?i repeat often that pakistan's ( i speak for pakistan only) elite class got connected to islam through al huda. the madrassah's just couldnt reach out to them. you wanna know why?it is because while our muftis are well-versed in islam the common person's knowledge of the world far exceeds theirs. so the common person cannot connect to them on that same level. but they can connect to al huda.
al huda doesnt teach 'modern' islam as the seculars do. they teach a salafi-oriented islam closer to ahl e hadith. i know most SF members hate both and they are right in doing so. but have you ever seen al huda lot telling people to derive their own fiqh themselves?isnt that what ghair muqallids do, no?to me the fiqh taught there is similar to that in saudia. pick the strongest opinion from every madhhab. or abrogate a madhab's ruling when you deem another daleel as stronger. and when that is done by a scholar then that is totally allowed. even mufti taqi usmani has stated that scholars, only scholars can do this. so where do al huda lot preach that laymen can do it too?

my personal stance is that contrary to what al huda say taqlid for laymen is good. for it stops fitna from spreading. there are good and bad things about al huda. i accept both. but acceptance should be made on truth not fabrications.

[Flirigor]

Women can't recite the Qur'an or touch it during menstruation. What they can do is recite du'as and make adhkaar, regardless of whether they are from Qur'an or not. For example, reciting the du'a for traveling is permissible regardless of whether the woman is menstruating or not, despite this du'a being from the Qur'an. But, the woman cannot recite ayaat from the Qur'an.

I Agre totally.. and she shouldnt have this in mind that i am reciting the Qur'an but she should think that i am reciting a dua!

[ovH9wfSJ]

al huda doesnt teach 'modern' islam as the seculars do. they teach a salafi-oriented islam closer to ahl e hadith. i know most SF members hate both and they are right in doing so. but have you ever seen al huda lot telling people to derive their own fiqh themselves?isnt that what ghair muqallids do, no?to me the fiqh taught there is similar to that in saudia. pick the strongest opinion from every madhhab. or abrogate a madhab's ruling when you deem another daleel as stronger. and when that is done by a scholar then that is totally allowed. even mufti taqi usmani has stated that scholars, only scholars can do this. so where do al huda lot preach that laymen can do it too?

Just because scholars in Saudi do something doesn't make it correct, and Mufti Taqi Usmani does not allow just any scholar to go against their madhab.

[exiceJetLip]

We have zaynab academy offering variety of courses..!!
They have online courses as well its upon us to inform people about it..this problem arose because of our negligence and men who who follow religion and becomse so "holy" that they have no time to impart the knowledge of the deen unto their women.!!

[Cyzkrahu]

Just because scholars in Saudi do something doesn't make it correct, and Mufti Taqi Usmani does not allow just any scholar to go against their madhab.

ws,

i didnt say anything about correct or incorrect. the concept i am talking about is accepting others' opinions. and i can put your own quote here: just because mufti taqi usmani does something doesn't make it correct. think about it from their side. thats why i feel this hostility against her and her institution needs to stop.
she is a scholar and she doesnt need verification from mufti taqi usmani since she has no affiliations with deoband. but he has said scholars can make ijtihad if they reach that level. who qualifies as a scholar is not upto him in this particular case.

[exiceJetLip]

Why do u want to spread salafism where prevalent fiqh is hanafi..??This implies something doesnt it
Why do u creat doubts in a mind of laymen..??
When everyone considers all 4 fiqh to be correct why not follow hanafi fiqh..?? U can have short courses and teach masail of hanafis rather than going for hanbalis or salafis whtever u call it!!

[Cyzkrahu]

Why do u want to spread salafism where prevalent fiqh is hanafi..??This implies something doesnt it
Why do u creat doubts in a mind of laymen..??
When everyone considers all 4 fiqh to be correct why not follow hanafi fiqh..?? U can have short courses and teach masail of hanafis rather than going for hanbalis or salafis whtever u call it!!

aoa,

you cant force hanafi fiqh on everyone. some people are ahl e hadith. some as you said are salafis. and a minority belong to other schools. where do they go then?

not everybody wants to teach or learn hanafi fiqh. for eg if i become an alim and open an institute i would teach the hanbali fiqh giving due respect to the hanafis ofcourse. whats wrong with that?

at al huda there are loads of things to learn related to tassawwuf, pardah, rights of women, problems of women, eradication of bid'at and shirk etc. as i said in Pakistan the elite class and the middle class that dont have a favorable opinion of madrassahs also deserve islamic education. either the madrassahs reach out themselves or stop pulling the legs of those who are reaching out.

live and let live. stop being suspicious please and have husn al dhann. they want to fill people's lives with islam just like you do. just that they are not hanafis doesnt mean they have to be put down.

secondly do the alhuda teachers tell laymen to go around rejecting and insulting madhabs?are you aware of how they and the saudis derive fiqh from madhhabs?the people who come here and argue with pro-taqleed members on deriving fiqh themselves are not the spokesperson of al huda. if some al huda insults madhhabs then whats their fault?similarly if a deobandi student feels ya ali madad isnt shirk then whats the deoband's fault. he just got deviated. simple.

[Flirigor]

brother you know about "Bait us salam Musjid network" fahme deen madrassa and all they are doing a lot.. Mufti Taqi Usmaani is doing a lot .... to spread Islam and bring people closer to Islam..

indeed i don't want to debate just wanted to say this.. ( mentioned above )

[Cyzkrahu]

brother you know about "Bait us salam Musjid network" fahme deen madrassa and all they are doing a lot.. Mufti Taqi Usmaani is doing a lot .... to spread Islam and bring people closer to Islam..

indeed i don't want to debate just wanted to say this.. ( mentioned above )

you didnt get the point. there is a gulf in class that shows how al huda got popular in mainstream media of pakistan and how people are flocking to it and getting cloder to islam. mainstream pakistan doesnt even know about the madaris or indeed darul uloom deoband. SF doesnt have members from mainstream pakistan. they are people who would love to go and study in binnoria town. and they should. but mainstream pakistan deems them backward. and wants to go to al huda. and they shd be allowed to do that and efforts like al huda shd be appreciated. because in the end the goal is met: more people getting close to islam.
however if someone's goal is :more people joining hanafi school. then that is incorrect.
as ive outlined what al huda teaches is legitimate islam which is recognized by a significant portion of ahl e sunnat wal jamah, namely the saudis. it is time the pakistanis do so as well and up the standards of their madrassahs.

p.s just to let you know of my personal opinion: if given the choice, i would go to binnoria town rather than al huda. i am not very modern

[exiceJetLip]

aoa,

you cant force hanafi fiqh on everyone. some people are ahl e hadith. some as you said are salafis. and a minority belong to other schools. where do they go then?

not everybody wants to teach or learn hanafi fiqh. for eg if i become an alim and open an institute i would teach the hanbali fiqh giving due respect to the hanafis ofcourse. whats wrong with that?

at al huda there are loads of things to learn related to tassawwuf, pardah, rights of women, problems of women, eradication of bid'at and shirk etc. as i said in Pakistan the elite class and the middle class that dont have a favorable opinion of madrassahs also deserve islamic education. either the madrassahs reach out themselves or stop pulling the legs of those who are reaching out.

live and let live. stop being suspicious please and have husn al dhann. they want to fill people's lives with islam just like you do. just that they are not hanafis doesnt mean they have to be put down.

secondly do the alhuda teachers tell laymen to go around rejecting and insulting madhabs?are you aware of how they and the saudis derive fiqh from madhhabs?the people who come here and argue with pro-taqleed members on deriving fiqh themselves are not the spokesperson of al huda. if some al huda insults madhhabs then whats their fault?similarly if a deobandi student feels ya ali madad isnt shirk then whats the deoband's fault. he just got deviated. simple.

Brother these courses are spreading misconceptions in the minds of people this is what i want u to realize..Its not just about changing madhab its bigger than this..!! Its about following islam or following the path of shirk..!! U know i know alhuda follow ahle hadith methodology and for ahle hadis we (hanafis) are mushriks and the ill they speak of Imam Abu Hanifah ru..!!

Secondly why is it that rafaya dain and ameen bil jeher becomes so necessary after doing alhuda course..malir cantt karachi where alhuda is quite active..these women have changed their husband and children mindset towards the imams of masjid and this true for all..!! Does rafaya dain and ameen bil jeher means AHLE HADITH..!!

What im talking about is the mindset..A lady who completes the course of alhuda why is she forcing her husband to follow hanbali and spreading such nonsense against hanafis..this is creating doubts!!

[exiceJetLip]

brother you know about "Bait us salam Musjid network" fahme deen madrassa and all they are doing a lot.. Mufti Taqi Usmaani is doing a lot .... to spread Islam and bring people closer to Islam..

indeed i don't want to debate just wanted to say this.. ( mentioned above )

I know hazrat Maulana Abdul Sattar sb..ive attended many of his lectures..!!

Yesterday i had the honour to meet Mufti Taqi sb in dar ul uloom karachi..!!

[appletango]

so some women have joined the al huda course,so what seems to be the issue? oh I get it,they're not on the 'right' islamic course.....

listen,if through these courses they come closer to deen,start practising deen,then thats the most important thing. Fiqh is something that will always be disputed with. If through these courses, if the person starts praying salah,dresses modestly, improves their character etc etc then we should be happy,no?