[Shipsyspeepay]

Assalaam'aaleykum!

Br. Pluto, you should change your nick to 'Brigadier_Hardstone'.

[lLianneForbess]

What's most unfortunate about this particular program, is that some of the panelists are unknowingly commiting errors by disclosing their thoughts and justifications.

It's one thing to not practice deen, and then another thing to attempt to justify it, espeically in public. It's very risky for them in terms of acquiring Allaah's displeasure.

And Allaah knows best.

this is a common theme amongst those who do wrong deeds and try to justify thier actions

[TeksPaisimi]

what the ???

1. one should never say or can ever really know that person 'A' is more pious than person 'B', same holds true for the Yusuf khan / Srk stuff, colonel, Allah SWT is the only one who really knows the truth, and u are wrong (sorry) if u say that just because SRK does movies and dances around with naked women, he is a lesser muslim then Yusuf khan, havent' u heard this quote : 'hate the sin, not the sinner', i'm not an SRK fan, nor a bollywood fan. dont' u know that dilip kumar married an actress (saira banu), dilip kumar married after he became an actor and a big star..... but srk did not, he could have, by your own account it means dilip kumar married a naked woman, or is it that u think movies of those era were 'modest', do u really buy into that ****??!

2. it does not matter if YOU care about or not care about what bollywood has 2 say about Islam, but for the billions other non-muslims, it does matter, they are NOT GOING TO GO to the revered Ulema's, though the bollywood stars do not practice Islam as it needs to be practiced, for them (non-muslims) these bollywood stars with their MUSLIM NAMES represent the whole community.

3. who do u think maulana madani (the one who appeared on the show) is? he is a Deobandi maulana, get ur facts right. go to this link and see for urself : http://india.gov.in/govt/rajyasabham...hp?mpcode=2027

4. i dont' see how bollywood has approached the ulema in this matter or vice versa, it was a public debate organised by NDTV, a news channel, they were the ones who approached them and all the other personalities on the show, Maulana madani is a muslim mp from uttar pradesh, he was there for a reason.

5. how do the muslim riots come into the picture here?

6. u call madhubala, meena kumari etc. prostitutes and beauties, you are calling them 'PROSTITUTES' & "BEAUTIES' in the same breath !!?

7. there's absolutely no doubt that the muslims of india or elsewhere HAVE to follow the Ulemas and not the film stars, and in this case too the ulemas have not come to the debate, but for maulana madani who's been an mp. Dr. Zakir Naik is not a ulema, he is i believe an Hafiz.

8. when the world is watching u on a public platform, you'd do well to use hikmah then anything else, being SEEN as a muslim film star just because he has a muslim name, srk has more pressures than us, people are jealous of his success, i wont' get into the details, only give it a thought.

9. pls , nobody has the right to say that just because this person is commiting this sin, he will be going to hell or vice versa. that knowledge is known to ALLAH SWT himself and none else.

dont' get juvenile, look at the bigger picture.

4.

Any woman who sells her body for money is a prostitute, whether she does it to a man or on the Screen while selling shaving razors in essense she is a PROSTITUTE.

The reason people watch them is because of their beauty (i.e. external and physcial beauty).

I didn't know anything about Soha Ali so I googled it and YES SHE IS A PROSTITUTE due to her actions.

Our Ulama and our Akabir have never shared a platform with prostitutes and I gave example after example that they could have if they wanted to.

Our Ulama and our Akabir have never shared a platform with Movie Stars and Singers and I gave example after example that they could have if they wanted to.

It is baseless to argue that Maulana Madani Saheb (DB) didn't know who he is sharing the platform with because he is Media-Savvy and they pre-inform you as to who is coming.

IF Maulana Madani Saheb (DB) was caught unaware then he should clarify his stance.

In the other thread I made a stance about women attending college/working etc. We cannot make generilisations about a women attending college or university or working because we don't know the full story.

In case of a woman who is selling her body openly and publicly there is no room for error and YES SHE IS A PROSTITUTE

[Loonakind]

Any woman who sells her body for money is a prostitute, whether she does it to a man or on the Screen while selling shaving razors in essense she is a PROSTITUTE.

The reason people watch them is because of their beauty (i.e. external and physcial beauty).

I didn't know anything about Soha Ali so I googled it and YES SHE IS A PROSTITUTE due to her actions.

Our Ulama and our Akabir have never shared a platform with prostitutes and I gave example after example that they could have if they wanted to.

Our Ulama and our Akabir have never shared a platform with Movie Stars and Singers and I gave example after example that they could have if they wanted to.

It is baseless to argue that Maulana Madani Saheb (DB) didn't know who he is sharing the platform with because he is Media-Savvy and they pre-inform you as to who is coming.

IF Maulana Madani Saheb (DB) was caught unaware then he should clarify his stance.

In the other thread I made a stance about women attending college/working etc. We cannot make generilisations about a women attending college or university or working because we don't know the full story.

In case of a woman who is selling her body openly and publicly there is no room for error and YES SHE IS A PROSTITUTE

1. what are u actually tryin' to say? either u say they are prostitutes or they are beauties, pls never use both the words together u said "Indian history is replete with famous prostitutes and beauties which were Muslim, here are some..." , then that'll mean that all beauties are prostitutes (!!) or all prostitutes are beauties....

2. you yourself said that dilip kumar was 10 times more practicing then SRK is today, how could u say that when you yourself know that dilip kumar married a PROSTITUTE (saira banu, by your OWN account, acc. to YOUR definition) !! SRK did not marry an actress, everyone knows that.

3. you talk about raj kapoor being sympathetic towards the muslim cause during the riots when you fully know well that he was loved by the Russian communists for his Socialist's movies, and dont' u know how much the muslims in USSR were made to suffer by the communists ( i wont' use an abusive word here 'coz it'll simply be censored ), where then did ur Raj kapoor go, did he go blind, deaf or what?

4. You talk about madhubala , meena kumari being PROSTITUTES 'coz they sold their body, but for you Dilip kumar was 10 times more pious than SRK, why is that? who was the one who was romancing their Naked BODIES? SRK's GRANDPA? WHO is the HYPOCRITE here?...or is it that islamic shariah applies only to the women and not the men....

dude, accept the fact that u were wrong, anybody could be wrong, you were wrong 2day, i cud be wrong tomorrow, i'm not tryin' to belittle you, but this forum is a public one and does not allow private messaging, i have no choice, you and i may have some knowledge about a particular matter, but there may be some others who just read it and spread the (wrong) word, either because they've no time to give it a thought or just dont' know...hope u understand.

[CaseyFronczekHomie]

1. what are u actually tryin' to say? either u say they are prostitutes or they are beauties, pls never use both the words together u said "Indian history is replete with famous prostitutes and beauties which were Muslim, here are some..." , then that'll mean that all beauties are prostitutes (!!) or all prostitutes are beauties....

2. you yourself said that dilip kumar was 10 times more practicing then SRK is today, how could u say that when you yourself know that dilip kumar married a PROSTITUTE (saira banu, by your OWN account, acc. to YOUR definition) !! SRK did not marry an actress, everyone knows that.

3. you talk about raj kapoor being sympathetic towards the muslim cause during the riots when you fully know well that he was loved by the Russian communists for his Socialist's movies, and dont' u know how much the muslims in USSR were made to suffer by the communists ( i wont' use an abusive word here 'coz it'll simply be censored ), where then did ur Raj kapoor go, did he go blind, deaf or what?

4. You talk about madhubala , meena kumari being PROSTITUTES 'coz they sold their body, but for you Dilip kumar was 10 times more pious than SRK, why is that? who was the one who was romancing their Naked BODIES? SRK's GRANDPA? WHO is the HYPOCRITE here?...or is it that islamic shariah applies only to the women and not the men....

dude, accept the fact that u were wrong, anybody could be wrong, you were wrong 2day, i cud be wrong tomorrow, i'm not tryin' to belittle you, but this forum is a public one and does not allow private messaging, i have no choice, you and i may have some knowledge about a particular matter, but there may be some others who just read it and spread the (wrong) word, either because they've no time to give it a thought or just dont' know...hope u understand.

Assalam O Alaikum.

Pluto, YOU GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. Its good this forum doesnot allow private messaging, now it's clear who you support. You are trying to project yourself as someone having great knowledge about Islam and world affairs. But, its actually opposite.
Gain knowledge and then speak. Don't try to pick on someone who holds view(the correct view) contrary to yours.

Ma3asalama.

[Loonakind]

Assalam O Alaikum.

Pluto, YOU GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. Its good this forum doesnot allow private messaging, now it's clear who you support. You are trying to project yourself as someone having great knowledge about Islam and world affairs. But, its actually opposite.
Gain knowledge and then speak. Don't try to pick on someone who holds view(the correct view) contrary to yours.

Ma3asalama.

is something wrong with u? if i'm wrong, tell me where. WHAT FACTS DO I NEED TO GET STRAIGHT? i've nowhere on this post said that i'm a scholar on Islam and world affairs, i only said that in this particular post, when brother colonel said the bollywood actresses were prostitutes, the man (dilip kumar) romancing those prostitutes was also commiting a grave sin.

if you dont' tell me what facts i need to get straight and verify, if you dont' tell me where i've gone wrong, then YOU ARE A FOOL. do not be vague, brother, i'm not here to correct people, or take sides. hope u understand. tell me how brother colonel's view in this matter is correct? hell! i dont' know where i've picked on him too...

[Loonakind]

do not despise the sinners, read the column here

http://deoband.org/2009/10/general/g...e-the-sinners/

Do Not Despise The SinnersBy Mufti Muhammad Taqi Usmani Translated by Shaykh Yusuf Laher

The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace) said: “That person who taunts and ridicules his Muslim brother over a sin from which he has repented, will not die until he himself commits that same sin.” For example, you come to know that a certain person committed or was involved in a particular sin and you also know that this person has repented from it. To think low of him or to taunt or ridicule him because of that sin, by saying something like: “You are the one who was involved in certain evil actions”, is in itself a sin.

Through repentance a person has corrected his relationship with Allah Most High. Through repentance not only has the sin been forgiven, it has also been erased from his book of deeds! Allah Most High has erased it from his book of deeds but you, because of that sin, are thinking low of him and treating him with contempt. You are taunting and ridiculing him. This action is extremely despised by Allah Most High.

This is regarding a person whom you know has repented. If you don’t know whether he has repented or not, then there is always this possibility that he, being a mu’min (believer), has repented or will repent in the future. Therefore, if someone has committed a sin and you do not know whether he has repented or not, you still do not have the right to hold him in contempt. It is possible that he has repented. Remember! Abhorrence should be for the sin and not the sinner! Hatred should be for sins. Allah’s Messenger (Allah bless him and give him peace) did not teach us to despise those who sin.

On the other hand, the sinner is worthy of pity and compassion, for this distressed person has been overtaken by a sickness. If a person is overtaken by a physical sickness, do you abhor his sickness or the person who is sick? Does the sick person become the target of your hatred? Obviously, the sick person is not deserving of your hatred. Yes, despise his sickness. Concern yourself with removing his sickness, so make du’a. The sick person should not be the target of hatred. He should be pitied for the reason that this poor person is caught up in a difficulty.

If someone is a kafir (disbeliever) then despise his kufr (disbelief), do not despise him. Make du’a for him that Allah Most High grants him guidance. Amin. How much did the kuffar (disbelievers) not persecute the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace)? They shot at him with arrows, they pelted stones at him, and his body bled from various places, but the words that flowed from his mouth were the following: “O Allah! Grant my people guidance, for they do not know the reality” (of this din).

Take note that that he did not despise them because of their kufr, shirk (associating partners with Allah), oppression and transgressions. Rather, while expressing pity and affection, he made du’a for them that ‘O Allah! These people are ignorant. They are unaware of the reality; therefore they are treating me in this manner. O Allah! Grant them guidance’.

So when seeing someone involved in sin, have pity on him and make du’a for him and try to steer him away from sin. Advise and counsel him but do not think low of him. Perhaps Allah accepts his repentance and he surpasses you in the sight of Allah.

I have heard the following words of advice of Hakim al-Ummah Mawlana Ashraf ‘Ali Thanawi from my respected father, Mufti Muhammad Shafi’ and ‘Arif Billah Dr. Abdul Hayy ‘Arifi (may Allah have mercy on them): “I consider every current Muslim and every non Muslim, as far as the future is concerned to be superior to me.” “As far as the future is concerned” means that although the person is presently in the condition of kufr, maybe Allah Most High grants him the tawfiq (guidance) of repenting and he is freed from the burden of kufr. Thereafter, Allah Most High raises his status so high that he surpasses me!

“Every current Muslim” means that a person who is a Muslim, a person of iman (true faith), one whom Allah Most High has granted the wealth of iman. What do I know regarding his connection and status with Allah Most High? Every person’s relationship with Allah Most High is unique. How can we judge anyone? Therefore, I consider every Muslim to be superior to me.

In this statement of Hakim al-Ummah, “I consider every Muslim to be superior to me”, there is obviously no possibility of lies and deception, or that he just said it out of moral courtesy. He said it because he firmly believed it. Anyway, to think low of someone, even though it is due to his committing of sin, is not permissible.

This malady of regarding others with contempt is found mostly in people who have reformed and turned towards din (Islam). They were not concerned with din previously but now have changed and became steadfast on salah and fasting. They have made their dressing and appearance in conformity with the Shari’ah. They have started frequenting the masjid. They have become regular in performing salah with congregation.[1] Satan induces such a person with this thought that you are now on the straight path. These people who are involved in sin are ruined. The result of this thought is that he starts thinking low of them and treats them with contempt. He now starts criticizing them in a hurtful manner. This results in Satan involving such people in vanity, self-regard and pride. When a person suffers from self-regard and pride, all his good actions are destroyed.

When a person’s gaze falls on himself that he is pious and others are bad then he is caught up in vanity. Vanity causes all good actions to become worthless. Only that action is acceptable which is done with sincerity for Allah Most High alone. After performing the action the person makes shukr (gives thanks) unto Allah Most High that He granted me the tawfiq to perform this action (if He did not grant me the tawfiq, I would never have been able to carry out this action).

Therefore, do not treat anyone with contempt. Do not think low of any non-Muslim or any sinner.

It is mentioned in a hadith that when seeing a person afflicted with any sickness, recite the following du’a:

اَلْحَمْدُ للهِ الَّذِىْ عَافَانِىْ مِمَّا ابْتَلاَكَ بِه وَ فَضَّلَنِىْ عَلَى كَثِيْرٍ مِّمَّنْ خَلَقَ تِفْضِيْلاً

All praises are due unto Allah, who has granted me safety from that which he has afflicted you with, and granted me well-being over many of the creation. (Al-Hisn al-Hasin, p.349)

It is sunnah to recite this du’a when seeing an afflicted person. The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace) taught us this (Note: it should be recited softly lest the afflicted person is offended).

Shaykh Dr. Abdul Hayy ‘Arifi (may Allah have mercy on him) used to say: “Whenever I pass by a hospital, then, praises be to Allah, I always recite this du’a.” He would also make du’a that Allah grants the sick good health.

One of my teachers used to say that Allah’s Messenger (Allah bless him and give him peace) taught us to recite this du’a when seeing a sick person, but I also recite it when seeing someone involved in sin. Sometimes when walking on the road I see people lined up at the cinema houses purchasing tickets. I recite this du’a on seeing them. Then I make shukr unto Allah Most High that He has saved me from this sin.

The reason for reciting this du’a when seeing a person involved in sin is that just as a physically sick person is worthy of pity, so is the sinner worthy of pity and sympathy, for he is also caught up in a predicament. Also, make du’a for him that: “O Allah! Remove this difficulty from him.”

It should be known that those who are presently involved in sin and you consider them low and worthy of contempt may later on receive the tawfiq of repentance and surpass you! So for what reason are you boasting? If you have been granted the tawfiq of abstaining from sin then make shukr unto Allah Most High. If they haven’t as yet received the tawfiq, then make du’a for them that Allah Most High grants them guidance and grants them relief from their afflictions. Amin.

Anyway, despise kufr, despise sin and transgression, but do not despise the person. In fact, you should treat him with love and kindness. When you speak to him, speak with softness and affection. Speak with feeling and love so that it may have a good effect on him. This was always the method of all our pious elders.

I heard this story of Hadrat Junayd al-Baghdadi (may Allah have mercy on him) from my respected father Mufti Muhammad Shafi’ (may Allah have mercy on him). While passing a certain place, Hadrat Junayd saw a person hanging from the gallows, whose hands and one leg was amputated. He inquired from the people regarding this person. The people informed him that this person was a habitual thief. His hand was cut when he was caught the first time. His leg was cut when caught the second time. Now on the third occasion he has been hanged. Hadrat Junayd went forward and kissed the dead man’s foot. People said to him: “This man was such a big and habitual thief, and you kissed his feet?” He replied: “Although he had committed such a big crime and sin for which he has been punished, but he had a wonderful quality in him, and that is steadfastness (istiqamah). Although he used this quality in a wrong way, however, he remained steadfast on the manner of his chosen occupation. His hand was amputated but he never left his choice. His leg was amputated yet he remained steadfast on theft. His other hand was amputated and still he did not give up his occupation. He remained steadfast on theft until finally his life has been taken. It is now apparent that he had the quality of steadfastness in him and I kissed his foot because of this quality.” May Allah Most High grant us this quality in our worship and obedience unto Him. Amin.

Anyway, the pious servants of Allah do not despise people but despise the evils perpetrated by them. They (the pious) go to the extent of saying that if an evil person has any good qualities in him then those good qualities should be striven for! Concern yourself with trying to remove the bad qualities in a person by speaking to him with love and affection. Speak only to him and do not speak to others about him.

It is mentioned in a hadith: “A believer (mu’min) is a mirror to another believer” (Abu Dawud). If a person has a spot on his face and stands in front of a mirror, the mirror will reflect that spot on his face. The mirror is showing him his defects. In the same way, a believer is also a mirror to another believer. When a believer sees another with a defect, he should inform him with love and affection that you have this certain weakness in you, remove it.

It is just like when a person has a worm or any insect crawling on him, then out of concern you inform him that there is an insect crawling on him, so remove it. Similarly, if a Muslim brother has a dini defect in him, then with love and affection, inform him that he has this defect in him, because a believer is a mirror to another believer.

Mawlana Ashraf ‘Ali Thanawi says that this hadith teaches us that when you see a fault in another person, then inform only that person of this fault, do not tell it to others. The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace) compared a believer to a mirror. The mirror only exposes the spot on the face to the person standing in front of it and not to others. Thus, the duty of a believer is to inform the person involved that he has a certain weakness in him and not to inform others of his weakness. If a person also tells others then it implies that he has acted upon his own evil desires and this will not be an act of din anymore. If he only informs and advises the afflicted person with love and concern, then this is what iman (true faith) and brotherhood demands. But to despise or think low of him is not permissible under any circumstance.

May Allah Most High grant us the understanding and the guidance to practice on this. Amin.

[DialOne]

2. you yourself said that dilip kumar was 10 times more practicing then SRK is today, how could u say that when you yourself know that dilip kumar married a PROSTITUTE (saira banu, by your OWN account, acc. to YOUR definition) !! SRK did not marry an actress, everyone knows that. <b>

[CialisBestPrice]

i dont know who dilip kumar is, but i do know a little about srk. srk khan has openly commited such acts and has such view when it comes to islam that he is no longer accepted as a muslim. so if dilip kumar or anyone else for that matter is a muslim, albeit a muslim who commits every sin possible, as long as he is a muslim then he is a million times better then a murtad like srk.

[JOR4qxYH]

Why are you brothers fighting among yourselves over this issue about who is better and who is not?
How does such discussion help our imaan, or the Muslims in general?

Why does every thread turn into a Muslim vs Muslim quarrel? I don't get it.

[Loonakind]

[quote]2. you yourself said that dilip kumar was 10 times more practicing then SRK is today, how could u say that when you yourself know that dilip kumar married a PROSTITUTE (saira banu, by your OWN account, acc. to YOUR definition) !! SRK did not marry an actress, everyone knows that. <b>

[JetePlentuara]

wellll anyhowsss

may ALLAH (SWT) give the Bollywood Muslim actors/actresses Hidayah and guide all to the straight path! There is nothing wrong in saying that right??lol

and may ALLAH (SWT) guide US also

i sometimes feel these discussions for us are pretty useless..like debating whether one is Muslim or not
there is a really nice quote by Sheikh Nuh - "It is all about You, your LORD, and your Grave ". i think its something like that

[Loonakind]

Hadhrat Thabit (Radi`Allahu anhu) says:
Prophet (Sall`Allahu Alaihi Wasallam) said:

"To curse a Muslim is killing him alike
& to assert a Muslim of Kufr is killing him alike."


< Sahih Al-Bukhari>

[TeksPaisimi]

2. you yourself said that dilip kumar was 10 times more practicing then SRK is today, how could u say that when you yourself know that dilip kumar married a PROSTITUTE (saira banu, by your OWN account, acc. to YOUR definition) !! SRK did not marry an actress, everyone knows that.

1) I advise ALL not to google Soha Ali because you will hit P ORN

2) Now lets drop the charade of being politically correct! Anyone (Muslim or Non-Muslim) who poses nude or half-nude and sells her body is a PROSTITUTE.

Her Akhira is with Allah (SWT) but we have to apply what we see, we have to condemn the sin and particularly when the person is sitting there and giving opinions about Islam!

3) Now imagine a well known Maulana sharing the same platform with a PROSTITUTE who everybody can verify and confirm!

Drop of all this and GIVE ME ONE EXAMPLE of Akabir or Deoband and Ulama sharing a platform with Movie stars and singers. I have given example after example after example, give me one example where they shared a platform with someone from that background.

OPEN CHALLENGE TO YOU: Quote me where and how Shyakh (Maulana) Ashraf Ali Thanwi (RA), Shaykhul-Hind (RA) or Shaykhul-Islam solicited help from these people!

P.S: I don't care about Dr Zakir Naik, what he does or doesn't is not my business.

[Loonakind]

From my personal sources and family sources I know that Dilip Kumar (Yusuf Khan) in his youth never committed FULL SCALE ZINA, never issued statements against Islam, never married a Non-Muslim. And during the last 2-3 decades his life has totally changed.

I don't understand the rest of your points so unable to respond, please clarify and I will try my best to respond.







1) I advise ALL not to google Soha Ali because you will hit P ORN

2) Now lets drop the charade of being politically correct! Anyone (Muslim or Non-Muslim) who poses nude or half-nude and sells her body is a PROSTITUTE.

Her Akhira is with Allah (SWT) but we have to apply what we see, we have to condemn the sin and particularly when the person is sitting there and giving opinions about Islam!

3) Now imagine a well known Maulana sharing the same platform with a PROSTITUTE who everybody can verify and confirm!

Drop of all this and GIVE ME ONE EXAMPLE of Akabir or Deoband and Ulama sharing a platform with Movie stars and singers. I have given example after example after example, give me one example where they shared a platform with someone from that background.

OPEN CHALLENGE TO YOU: Quote me where and how Shyakh (Maulana) Ashraf Ali Thanwi (RA), Shaykhul-Hind (RA) or Shaykhul-Islam solicited help from these people!

P.S: I don't care about Dr Zakir Naik, what he does or doesn't is not my business.

hilarious brother, u are asking me when u should be answering....

1. i'm not supporting any film personalities here, certainly not soha ali or any other, even SRK, just tryin' to tell u that both sides of the parties are wrong, the prostitute as well as the seeker of her services.

2. didnt' i already tell u that maulana Madani saab DID NOT represent Deoband, he is an MP from uttar pradesh, u get it? dude, this debate was organized by NDTV news channel, not the indian government, not Deoband madrassah, there's no question about it. why do u keep asking about this again and again?

3. u claim to know that dilip kumar's life has changed, it could certainly be true and may ALLAH SWT lead him on the right path, but u are saying this now after so many earlier posts in which u blatantly said dilip kumar was 10 times more pious than srk, who knows, may be even those old acctresess may have asked for forgivness in the course of time?? we just dont' know it, we just know about dilip kumar. pls read Maulana Taqi Usmani's column in my previous replies.

4. i have not tried to (intentionally) nor wanted to confuse anybody here, so i cant' be game for any 'challenges' - that i think is deviating from the actual theme of the post itself.

the gist of my posts (earlier as well as this) is Alhamdulillah very well put in the article by Maulana Taqi Usmani Saab, i cant' and will never will be able to go one up him (Astaghfirulla). hope, i've cleared all ur doubts.

p.s : brother, is it possible to change my username, this one i created in a hurry, so

[lLianneForbess]

[B]hilarious brother

p.s : brother, is it possible to change my username, this one i created in a hurry, so

bro i think the name popeye is already being used on this forum

[TeksPaisimi]

[B]hilarious brother, u are asking me when u should be answering....



2. didnt' i already tell u that maulana Madani saab DID NOT represent Deoband, he is an MP from uttar pradesh, u get it? dude, this debate was organized by NDTV news channel, not the indian government, not Deoband madrassah, there's no question about it. why do u keep asking about this again and again?

http://india.gov.in/govt/rajyasabham...hp?mpcode=2027

Name: Shri Mahmood A. Madani

Father's Name: Late Maulana Asad Madani

Which means Grand-Father's Name: Shaykhul-Islam Maulana Hussain Ahmed Madani

Graduated from: Darul-uloom Deoband

Are you still insisting that he has no connection with Akabir of Deoband or Darul-uloom Deoband? Fine, even he was doing this in his personal capacity WHAT ON EARTH was he doing sharing a platform with such people?

[carline]

assalamu alaikum

brothers, for me its like this...

maulana mahmood madani sharing a platform with celebs is an issue for him. He must feel it justified to do so. Dont forget he is not just any ol' guy from the streets of india. If you have an issue with him sharing the platform and would like to know why he did it when his father didnt then you need to ask him, to contact him is pretty easy and an international call away. Call Jamiat ulema hind in delhi for further information.

second thing is that no matter how high your rank is, you should never call someone a lesser muslim because we dont know what state our iman will be at the time of death. If you read the sheikh yunus threads i have posted two incidents that sheikh sahib relates about people who never did a thing islamic in life, but both died and did tawbah before death, one actually did tawbah the day before he died, another killed many by magic. But there was a prerequisite to both people doing tawbah. They never said anything from their mouths, nor did they belittle others.


If someone is attacking the religion then defend it, dont go looking for people to attack.

[TeksPaisimi]

assalamu alaikum

brothers, for me its like this...

maulana mahmood madani sharing a platform with celebs is an issue for him. He must feel it justified to do so. Dont forget he is not just any ol' guy from the streets of india. If you have an issue with him sharing the platform and would like to know why he did it when his father didnt then you need to ask him, to contact him is pretty easy and an international call away. Call Jamiat ulema hind in delhi for further information.

second thing is that no matter how high your rank is, you should never call someone a lesser muslim because we dont know what state our iman will be at the time of death. If you read the sheikh yunus threads i have posted two incidents that sheikh sahib relates about people who never did a thing islamic in life, but both died and did tawbah before death, one actually did tawbah the day before he died, another killed many by magic. But there was a prerequisite to both people doing tawbah. They never said anything from their mouths, nor did they belittle others.


If someone is attacking the religion then defend it, dont go looking for people to attack.

Brother,

A woman is openly selling her body and the entire world can see that. She then decides to enlighten the entire world about Islam.

A graduate of Darul-uloom Deoband, grandson of one of the Akabir of Deoband shares a platform with her.

Please don't write gibberish and actually write some Fatwaas in Support of turning a blind eye to this madness.

Where do you guys come from? Which Madhab, which Scholar tells you to HIDE AWAY from this?

Are you TOTALLY INSANE that you cannot condemn a "Maulana" for sharing a platform with a women who models with a Naked body? Or do you have no understanding of the issue?

What will we get next? Ulama sharing a platform with Pimps???

[carline]

are you blind??

tell me where has she modelled naked?? and before you give me an example look up the definition of naked.

get it right, maulanas are to work with all people from all communities, are you telling me if a prostitute came to an aalim to discuss some islamic views he should reject her and turn her away??

all aamals are based on niyyat, he might have gone on the show to answer questions from the public, i seem to recall them asking questions also.