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Old 09-09-2011, 01:44 PM   #1
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Default Islam's Face In America.


A short article on Ingrid Mattson, first North American female revert President of ISNA.

http://drabutamim.blogspot.com/2011/...n-america.html

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Old 09-14-2011, 01:19 PM   #2
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Dr. Ingrid Mattson is Professor of Islamic Studies and Director of Islamic Chaplaincy at the Macdonald Center for Islamic Studies and Christian-Muslim Relations at Hartford Seminary in Hartford, CT.

Dr. Mattson was born in Canada, where she studied Philosophy at the University of Waterloo, Ontario (B.A. '87). From 1987-1988 she lived in Pakistan where she worked with Afghan refugee women. In 1995 she served as advisor to the Afghan delegation to the United Nations Commission on the Status of Women.

During her graduate studies in Chicago, Dr. Mattson was involved with the local Muslim community, serving on the board of directors of Universal School in Bridgeview and as a member of the Interfaith Committee of the Council of Islamic Organizations of Greater Chicago.

Dr. Mattson earned her Ph.D. in Islamic Studies from the University of Chicago in 1999. Her research is focused on Islamic law and society.

Dr. Mattson lives in Connecticut with her husband and two children.
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Old 04-25-2012, 05:36 AM   #3
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wa rahmatullah,

An article appeared in the Huffington Post ‘What’s up with Muslims and dogs’ written by Ingrid Mattson. She attempts to prove that prohibition of dogs is a cultural issue and has nothing to do with Deen. Ingrid Mattson’s profile states that she is a professor of Islamic studies.

Read Mufti Emraan Vawda (HA) excellent reply here.

Man these South African Ulamas should open a branch in every country...
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Old 04-25-2012, 06:11 AM   #4
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no need for ISNA, ICNA, FITNA in USA....

FIRST ----> Every muslim in America has to pray 5 times salah.

Where is America?????
in the past ten years see the growth of Islam in France and America?

In America, Organisations are growing day by day.. people build big masjid, buy land day by day.
No one wants to build Eeeman

Going 40 days, 4 months in JAMAAAT is Bi'dah but having SINGBOARD "KNOW ISLAM??? " "JESUS A MUSLIM" "CALL HOTLINE ISLAM" is Sunnah - LOL
May Allah protect Muslims in US

By end of the day, people must know that the deen in US is 30 years old but the deen in India is 1000+ years old.
Indian people who hasnt prayed in India come to US and start pray and invent Newtonic discoveries of Galieleo's Anthropology....
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Old 04-25-2012, 03:31 PM   #5
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no need for ISNA, ICNA, FITNA in USA....

FIRST ----> Every muslim in America has to pray 5 times salah.

Where is America?????
in the past ten years see the growth of Islam in France and America?

In America, Organisations are growing day by day.. people build big masjid, buy land day by day.
No one wants to build Eeeman

Going 40 days, 4 months in JAMAAAT is Bi'dah but having SINGBOARD "KNOW ISLAM??? " "JESUS A MUSLIM" "CALL HOTLINE ISLAM" is Sunnah - LOL
May Allah protect Muslims in US

By end of the day, people must know that the deen in US is 30 years old but the deen in India is 1000+ years old.
Indian people who hasnt prayed in India come to US and start pray and invent Newtonic discoveries of Galieleo's Anthropology....
brother.
Hope that your health, physical and otherwise is good. Remember in dua's.
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Old 04-25-2012, 03:59 PM   #6
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brother.
Hope that your health, physical and otherwise is good. Remember in dua's.
Brother being from the US deserves an opportunity to release some steam. We face much lesser hurdles on the daily basis in fulfilling our Islamic duties.
@Servant of Allah,
The way I look at it is as follows. Nation of Islam started as a copy cat of Islam. Then some time back Imam W.D.Muhammed decided to merge his herds with the rest of the herd. This is the power of imitating the ways of beloved Prophet (PBUH). Of course there are some steps that above mentioned people have to take in order to come closer to the right path but what ever has been achieved is not insignificant. Similarly the people who are trying to walk on the path shown by beloved Prophet (PBUH) will, Lord willing, end up at the right destination. In fact it is really heartening to know that the first thing they remembered after leaving India or Pakistan is Islam. From a distance I can only love them. They are much better than those who have gotten lost in that quagmire of modernity without leaving a trace behind them - the trace that could have lead them back to the comfort of Islam. I hope that their number is small.
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Old 04-25-2012, 11:40 PM   #7
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They cant mix with White, Black, Asian - Hence everyone are so attached with Muslims, thats what i feel.
In india, pakistan - these guys street fight and back bite each other. Now they hug each other

Community dinners outnumber the Jamaath number...


Alhamdulillah, there are some best muslims people in US. I am not joining them with this group.
Insha Allah, may Allah give more and more to them.

In my view, Tabligh jamaat is good for muslims in US compared to ISNA, ICNA, JILNA, MALNA,
people have to have trust on Allah and offer Salah.
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Old 04-25-2012, 11:47 PM   #8
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wa rahmatullah,

An article appeared in the Huffington Post ‘What’s up with Muslims and dogs’ written by Ingrid Mattson. She attempts to prove that prohibition of dogs is a cultural issue and has nothing to do with Deen. Ingrid Mattson’s profile states that she is a professor of Islamic studies.

Read Mufti Emraan Vawda (HA) excellent reply here.

Man these South African Ulamas should open a branch in every country...

I agree that the ulemas should open further afield. Also, there is nowhere in the Qur'an which says that Muslims cannot keep dogs as pets! The Maliki madhab (and no madhab is incorrect) states that dogs are not impure. I follow mixed maddhabs, although mostly Hanafi. With regards to the Prophet and prohibitation of dogs, how do we know what wasn't a custom of his time, that dogs were seen as impure to be kept as pets?

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Old 04-26-2012, 12:12 AM   #9
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Even if we accept the view within the Maliki school that the saliva is not impure, how do we explain the fact that according to all the Ulama (scholars) within the Maliki school the keeping of dogs as pets is reprehensible, it says in the fatwa.

But go on, make up your own Islam.

Wassalam.
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Even if we accept the view within the Maliki school that the saliva is not impure, how do we explain the fact that according to all the Ulama (scholars) within the Maliki school the keeping of dogs as pets is reprehensible, it says in the fatwa.

But go on, make up your own Islam.

Wassalam.
brother.

I object to your reply "But go on, make up your own Islam". Rather I would suggest something along the line "study more about the fatwa". There's no need for a provocation as everyone here is *discussing* not *arguing*. It would be different if a rafidhi coming here trying to spread their aqeedah of infallible imams, for example. Then we are obliged to defend our aqeedah. But this is a discussion among sunnis, not between a sunni and a quranist.

Allah Knows Best.
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Old 04-26-2012, 12:30 AM   #11
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for your good intention behind your reply, but the tone needs not to be childish all the time just because we're sunnis. The matter is important, it starts with dogs and ends up on 'aqeedah because of the same corrupt methodology.
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Old 04-26-2012, 01:43 AM   #12
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no need for ISNA, ICNA, FITNA in USA....

FIRST ----> * Every muslim in America has to pray 5 times salah.

Where is America?????
in the past ten years see the growth of Islam in France and America?

In America, Organisations are growing day by day.. people build big masjid, buy land day by day.
No one wants to build Eeeman

Going 40 days, 4 months in JAMAAAT is Bi'dah but having SINGBOARD "KNOW ISLAM??? " "JESUS A MUSLIM" "CALL HOTLINE ISLAM" is Sunnah - LOL
May Allah protect Muslims in US

By end of the day, people must know that the deen in US is 30 years old but the deen in India is 1000+ years old.
Indian people who hasnt prayed in India come to US and start pray and invent Newtonic discoveries of Galieleo's Anthropology....
Brother, what is with Americans? It's almost like they are ashamed of Islaam and will do anything to conform to an American way of life. I mean look at these much vaunted 'scholars' is this the attire, setting and teachings of true Islaam?*

http://vimeo.com/38749007

It's almost like there is no regard for dressing in a sunnah manner or free mixing. Similar to Dr Ingrid they even try to dismiss pardah between men and women in masjids as a cultural issue that came and went in the 4th century and is 'no longer relevant' (listen around 19minute mark).

Similarly, I was sent an email link of a photo album of a Zaytuna dinner recently and I really wish I hadn't opened it, it looked like an Oscars event or something. Everyone suited and booted, men and women free mixing on almost every table including famous Zaytuna scholars. If it wasn't labelled Zaytuna you probably wouldn't even know it was an 'Islamic' event.

Why this desperation to conform in America?
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Old 04-26-2012, 02:49 AM   #13
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Brother, what is with Americans? It's almost like they are ashamed of Islaam and will do anything to conform to an American way of life. I mean look at these much vaunted 'scholars' is this the attire, setting and teachings of true Islaam?*

http://vimeo.com/38749007

It's almost like there is no regard for dressing in a sunnah manner or free mixing. Similar to Dr Ingrid they even try to dismiss pardah between men and women in masjids as a cultural issue that came and went in the 4th century and is 'no longer relevant' (listen around 19minute mark).

Similarly, I was sent an email link of a photo album of a Zaytuna dinner recently and I really wish I hadn't opened it, it looked like an Oscars event or something. Everyone suited and booted, men and women free mixing on almost every table including famous Zaytuna scholars. If it wasn't labelled Zaytuna you probably wouldn't even know it was an 'Islamic' event.

Why this desperation to conform in America?
these so called idiots are useless.
Whats happening in America you know?
If a guy gives bayan with BIG BEARD(SUNNAH) best dress(SUNNAH) - no one listens
if the same bayan is given by some trimmed BEARD(ITALIAN/MEXICAN STYLE - Dont call it Sunnah) with a best dress(IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF YAHOODIS/NASRANIS) - people ll listen it.


As u said fundraising has become Oscar event. IDIOTS come in THE STYLE OF KUFFARS(COAT + SUIT)...
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Old 04-26-2012, 05:38 AM   #14
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Although there is much to say, wearing coat, suits is not necessarily going against the sunnah.
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Old 04-26-2012, 09:01 AM   #15
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Although there is much to say, wearing coat, suits is not going against the sunnah.
And the rampant free mixing? 'Fatwas' left, right and centre trying their best to justify music? It's the whole everything is halaal bro lifestyle that they are promoting as 'moderate' that is pretty shocking, especially by so called 'traditionalist' scholars.
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And the rampant free mixing? 'Fatwas' left, right and centre trying their best to justify music? It's the whole everything is halaal bro lifestyle that they are promoting as 'moderate' that is pretty shocking, especially by so called 'traditionalist' scholars.


those who are guilty, then they are guilty. But we can't lump other American Muslims with them too. As other people don't have any rights to make a generalization on us, so are we unto them. And as much as we don't want other people to pick on our faults, then we should treat them the same way too. As for the differences, let's invite those who disagree to pesent their arguments, and lets the points be compared against each other. No matter how strongly we disagree with them, as long as they are still our Muslim brothers and sisters, they have certain rights on us the same way we have certain rights on them. At the very least they deserve to be treated with good adab and akhlaq from us.
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Old 04-26-2012, 11:07 AM   #17
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I suppose the problem is identified. Now let us divide in three groups. The Jama-at workers continue with your duties (as if they need my instructions). One of the rest two groups please work on inviting above mentioned people closer to the ways of beloved Prophet (PBUH). The last group should be busy inviting the rest of Americans to Islam.
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Old 04-26-2012, 11:53 AM   #18
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The last group should be busy inviting the rest of Americans to Islam.
which group is this??

Tabligh?
Or the group who want to stand in the pulpit and talk in mic?
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