[w4WBthjv]

aSalaam alikum wa rahmatullah hey wa baraktu

I started a thread concerning ghusl yesterday, which now I realize may have seemed a little incoherent. I have sought guidance from a Muslim academic but still have some problems which I hope you will be able to help me with.

I have some questions that need answering:

As we know, when one is doing a normal ablution for prayer it is vital no drops of urine (or blood, or wind) comes out either during the istanja, the ablution or the prayer and that if this happens the ablution and the prayer must be repeated after both cleaning up the urine and doing the istanja again as well as the ablution.

This is the scenario I am facing: I’ve just got up having had a wet dream in my sleep and I’ve got less than an hour to set off to work. There is plenty of water available. I want to just do the bare minimum of ghusl with farz in it only, just to be pure. What should I do?

I have five more questions I hope you will be able to help me with:

First, if I bleed/urinate/break wind while doing my istanja do I have to re-do the istanja, or can I just carry on?

Second, if when gargling/washing out my nose (after the istanja) I bleed/fell some urine/break wind, do I redo istanja or can just carry on?

Third, if when bathing I bleed/urinate/break wind do I have to repeat the istanja and washing or do I just carry on? (bathing meaning putting water over my right shoulder three times and then my left shoulder three times and then doing my head three times so no hair is left dry on any part of my body)

Fourth, I hope you can help me clarify something: if the inside of my organ is moist after urinating and getting rid of all the drops, but this moisture is not coming out but if it can wet a tissue paper then do I carry on with my purification or go back to the beginning? My main concern is what is the distinction between moisture being urine coming out of me and being internal moisture but which can be transferred to a tissue, giving the impression of urine? This the thing I am wrestling with most which can take hours to end.

Fifth, I have a question about Al-Mâ'idah 5:6, specifically about when it says “And if you are in the state of ritual impurity, purify yourselves (by taking a bath)” and “Allah does not want to lay any hardship upon you” – surely these mean that I don’t need to be too worried about the odd tiny bit of urine for ghusl if no more drops are coming out of my organ?

Jazaak allah

[patrycjakolekk]

aSalaam alikum wa rahmatullah hey wa baraktu

I started a thread concerning ghusl yesterday, which now I realize may have seemed a little incoherent. I have sought guidance from a Muslim academic but still have some problems which I hope you will be able to help me with.

I have some questions that need answering:

As we know, when one is doing a normal ablution for prayer it is vital no drops of urine (or blood, or wind) comes out either during the istanja, the ablution or the prayer and that if this happens the ablution and the prayer must be repeated after both cleaning up the urine and doing the istanja again as well as the ablution.

drops cam come out during istinja, for the purpose of istinja is to get all remaining drops out, but ofcourse it must not during ablution and prayer

This is the scenario I am facing: I’ve just got up having had a wet dream in my sleep and I’ve got less than an hour to set off to work. There is plenty of water available. I want to just do the bare minimum of ghusl with farz in it only, just to be pure. What should I do?

wet your body all over making reasonably sure that every inch of the body is wet [obviously your going to at least rub over part stained with the impure fluid], and gargle out mouth and sniff in some water up nostrils putting your fingers inside making sure the soft inner parts have been wetted; this is the bare minimum; this suffices for wudhu too for wudhu areas have been wetted too

I have five more questions I hope you will be able to help me with:

First, if I bleed/urinate/break wind while doing my istanja do I have to re-do the istanja, or can I just carry on?

when your ready to clean with water after istinja, as long as your reasonably sure that no more drops will come out afterwards, then thats fine; however in hanafi madhab, if impure drops [urine, blood or even feaces] soil an area of the body not larger than the size of about a two pence coin, then your body will still be considered pure and you can do wudhu and prayer, but if the impurity on the body exceeds that amount of space, then you'd have to wash it off

Second, if when gargling/washing out my nose (after the istanja) I bleed/fell some urine/break wind, do I redo istanja or can just carry on?

Third, if when bathing I bleed/urinate/break wind do I have to repeat the istanja and washing or do I just carry on? (bathing meaning putting water over my right shoulder three times and then my left shoulder three times and then doing my head three times so no hair is left dry on any part of my body)

your gusl wont 'break' if these things happen while doing it [so you just carry on with completing your gusl and not redo it], but your wudhu will if you've washed your face before that, however if you have not washed any of the wudhu area in gusl yet, i.e, the parts that are fardh to wash in wudhu, then your subsequent wudhu [incorporated in gusl] will be intact as long as you have not excreted anything once you've commenced with washing/wetting wudhu areas

Fourth, I hope you can help me clarify something: if the inside of my organ is moist after urinating and getting rid of all the drops, but this moisture is not coming out but if it can wet a tissue paper then do I carry on with my purification or go back to the beginning?

if it wets tissue paper then that means it has come out a little unless the tissue paper reaches in inside the 'peephole' ; it's best to start again i think if this happens as even if it is inside, then it may well come out with a bit of body movement; especially the bending down part in salaah etc; if you've tested it with tissue paper [and not just theoretically thinking it, then something ends up coming out, thus to be on the safe-side, i'd start again

My main concern is what is the distinction between moisture being urine coming out of me and being internal moisture but which can be transferred to a tissue, giving the impression of urine? This the thing I am wrestling with most which can take hours to end.

iirc, i think i read that if anything comes out at all of the private parts, then that nullifies wudhu, thus best to start again

Fifth, I have a question about Al-Mâ'idah 5:6, specifically about when it says “And if you are in the state of ritual impurity, purify yourselves (by taking a bath)” and “Allah does not want to lay any hardship upon you” – surely these mean that I don’t need to be too worried about the odd tiny bit of urine for ghusl if no more drops are coming out of my organ?

if it comes out after gusl or during gusl..., then this will nullify the wudhu but not gusl; so all you have to do is wudhu after gusl and then you can pray, but as mentioned, if it is allready on body [tiny drops not amounting to soiling more the size of about a two pence coin] then washing that off is not neccassary for wudhu to be valid

the only time when gusl is an obligation is when semen ejects out of the body, thus gusl is not neccassary if drops of urine or any other impurities soil the body; just washing that area suffices; if drops of semen come out afterwards [after gusl] then just washing it off suffices too and a repeat of gusl is not neccessary for they would not come out by way of ejaculation [i.e spurting out while the body feels pleasure]

Hope that helps.

Salam.

[patrycjakolekk]

ps: regarding the moisture bit; basically if your not sure if some urine has come out and that it is not just moisture from the bath water, then you dont have to redo the wudhu in gusl for in matters of impurity, one has to be a hundred percent sure without a shred of doubt that he is impure, i.e, that something has indeed exited from his private parts [and it's not just moisture from bath water thats wetted the exithole of penis tiny bit] to consider himself impure... thus you should just ignore 'doubts' and consider wudhu intact [gusl will be intact anyway]

the same goes for passing wind or even sitting on toilet seat while not sure if it is wet with water or urine

[patrycjakolekk]

i used the definition of 'istinja' as the walking around one does while holding a tissue/clump of dry mud on his penis before he cleans up with water, but now realise that you might have meant by 'istinja' specifically the washing up bit; if immediately after you have washed your private parts, if anything exits from it like a drop of urine, then you can just wash again, but if it is after some time and you think it probably hasn't soiled more than the area the size of two pence [uk coin] then you dont have to wash it, but anything more than that you will, but as said, anything exiting while in state of wudhu [or while doing wudhu] will break wudhu...

[w4WBthjv]

thank you for yor reply; however there is still a point im not getting or you are not getting me. i hope insha allah we have a understanding soon.

after urinating following nocturnal emission, i only NEED TO BE PURE. im not bothered about wudhu or namaz as that is in 5 hours time & i am late for work. i will re-do wudhu in 5 hours time. however that morning before going to work, do i really need to be bothered about all those points i made. do i have to make sure i have no urine drops remaining( what i mean is wetness not actual drops) during istanja gargling/water up nose period. do i have to be bothered if i break wind or bleed during istannja/gargling/water up nose phase. i know that during actual ghusl where i start to pour water over my body i know these things dont break ghsul. i will be very brief here;

• wake up

• urinate

• spend 5 minutes to get drops out walk around cough etc

• do istanja (if i feel urine drops bleed or break wind, do i carry on or clean drops (mainly its a feeling of urine drops thought its probably wetness of urinary tract) an redo isntaja or carry on to next bit which is washing hands?

• wash my hands 3 times (if i feel urine drops bleed or break wind, do i carry on or clean drops (mainly its a feeling of urine drops thought its probably wetness of urinary tract) an redo isntaja then re-wash my hands again orcarry on to gargling?

• gargling 3 times (if i feel urine drops bleed or break wind, do i carry on or clean drops (mainly its a feeling of urine drops thought its probably wetness of urinary tract) an redo isntaja wash hands again and gargle again or carry on to puting water up nose?

• put water up nose 3 times (if i feel urine drops bleed or break wind, do i carry on or clean drops (mainly its a feeling of urine drops thought its probably wetness of urinary tract) an redo isntaja again wash hands 3 times again, gargle 3 times again putwater up nose again or carry on to putting water over my body on next bit?

• last bit is pour water over left shoulder 3 times, then over right 3 times then over head 3 times. here im sure that if you (if i feel urine drops bleed or break wind, (mainly its a feeling of urine drops thought its probably wetness of urinary tract) that i know you carry on but re-do wudhu for salaat

as said before, im not conecerned about wudhu or namaz now. i need to get to work in 15 mins & i just need to be pure. like i said i will redo wudhu in 5 hours for namaz. my point is JUST TO BE PURE FOR NOW. WILL READ NAMAZ LATER and do WUDHU LATER. NOT BOTHRE ABOUT THOSE 2 FOR NOW. JUST PURITY

as said in the holy quran, allah has told us to have a bath. for wudhu allah has said in that surah to specfifically wash hands arms for wudhu. but for ghusl its only the word "bath", doesnt say anting about bleeding wind or urine drops for wudhu it does. thats what i am saying is do you have to be bothered about urine drops or feeling of wetness/wind/bleeding just for ghusl and for being pure. i know for wudhu if these 3 things happens you must do wudhu again for salaat but i have only 15 minutes befopre i go to work so i just need to be pure. i wont be reading namaz or required to do wudhu for the next 5 hours, i just need to get out of my junub status

i really hope this has cleared up everything

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