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Old 04-24-2012, 02:50 AM   #1
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Salaam all.. A muslim sister who I go too school with was telling me that her and her family went to a ''christening'' of her mums friends new born baby, I said to her this is wrong as we are Muslims and dont believe in such practice therefore it's not right for her and her family to be going to these sort of ocasions. Isit ok to attend these sort of religious ceromonies as Islam is the only one and only true religion so therefore attending these christenings would be almost submitting to there beliefs would it not?.. or maybe the intention would be to go and show support for a non muslim friend and try not to converse in the actual ceromony it self-would that be ok?

She automatically became extremely defensive, justifying how theres nothing wrong with it, and then started to say that were all going to our own graves and that we all do bad things including me and nobody is perfect.

Iv'e been going to school with her and known her for around 7 years, we know eachother quite well, so I did'nt see the problem in telling her this was wrong as there are usually prety much no barriers-so we feel free to talk about things openly.
We have both apolagised to eachother but she said she dosent like people judging her, I replied and said I always tell you how I feel and be straight up with you, id rather be that than 2faced. She obviously did'nt like my honesty.

Can someone tell me wether what I did is judging or not?
Was it wrong for me to tell her it's wrong etc allthough I know her family is very very westornised as it is so In a way I wasnt ''that shocked''.

I was also kind of angry with her already so therefore I was rubbing it in even more trying to prove that she is actually wrong, so therefore ''maybe'' my intention wasnt right? Maybe I was TOTALLY wrong.

Your thoughts and advice would be great

Jazak'Allah
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Old 04-24-2012, 03:09 AM   #2
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Can someone tell me wether what I did is judging or not?
Was it wrong for me to tell her it's wrong etc allthough I know her family is very very westornised as it is so In a way I wasnt ''that shocked''.

I was also kind of angry with her already so therefore I was rubbing it in even more trying to prove that she is actually wrong, so therefore ''maybe'' my intention wasnt right? Maybe I was TOTALLY wrong.

Your thoughts and advice would be great

Jazak'Allah
In my opinion I think you're not judging her. You sincerely believe that what she and her family did was wrong, but at the same time you accept that you might be mistaken about it too and ready to admit your mistake should you're proven wrong.

Perhaps it was your "angry" intonation that actually made her to be defensive instead of the ''christening'' event? Perhaps it might be different if you discuss about the hukm of going to any non-Muslim religious ceremony in a calm manner?

Allah Knows Best.
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Old 04-24-2012, 04:07 AM   #3
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we must all learn to say the right thing the right way

before that we must ponder if even this will be effective

and before this check our intentions and cleanliness of heart

and before this make dua to allah for the best way to approach situations

believe me there will be problems and situations far greater than this to come to all of us

the methodology truly needs to be learned

some elders even say "so you really care for them ,did you make dua,and cry to allah or make nafl fast"

we must all truly learn how to deal with many more situations and tests to come
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Old 04-24-2012, 12:29 PM   #4
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Assalam alikum wa rahmat Allah,

My brother, what you have done in my opinion is correct . You have told her the truth . The nature of truth also is to make one uncomfortable. a person withe the help of sheitan and common cultural habits etc does lots of justification and reasoning to do a false action as she has done (that is view of scholors that she has done wrong and not your or my view). That is why most of the time the person reacts in defensive. you have told her the truth and that is enough. she will never forget it. rest leave it to Allah. your job was only that to tell the truth and not to persue her. that is her domain let her struggle with it. every one has their own character and chimstry and they react accordingly. some are very humble and once recognize the truth they are even thoughtful and thankful. some otherwise. but truth wins at the end if the person has right orientation. you have given her the best gift you could have given. know your situation and humbly.
another thing is that human interpersonal relation is rarely free of some kind of friction etc. despite that truth should be told. May Allah swt make me humble like you.
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Old 04-24-2012, 12:50 PM   #5
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Salaam all.. A muslim sister who I go too school with was telling me that her and her family went to a ''christening'' of her mums friends new born baby, I said to her this is wrong as we are Muslims and dont believe in such practice therefore it's not right for her and her family to be going to these sort of ocasions. Isit ok to attend these sort of religious ceromonies as Islam is the only one and only true religion so therefore attending these christenings would be almost submitting to there beliefs would it not?.. or maybe the intention would be to go and show support for a non muslim friend and try not to converse in the actual ceromony it self-would that be ok?

She automatically became extremely defensive, justifying how theres nothing wrong with it, and then started to say that were all going to our own graves and that we all do bad things including me and nobody is perfect.

Iv'e been going to school with her and known her for around 7 years, we know eachother quite well, so I did'nt see the problem in telling her this was wrong as there are usually prety much no barriers-so we feel free to talk about things openly.
We have both apolagised to eachother but she said she dosent like people judging her, I replied and said I always tell you how I feel and be straight up with you, id rather be that than 2faced. She obviously did'nt like my honesty.

Can someone tell me wether what I did is judging or not?
Was it wrong for me to tell her it's wrong etc allthough I know her family is very very westornised as it is so In a way I wasnt ''that shocked''.

I was also kind of angry with her already so therefore I was rubbing it in even more trying to prove that she is actually wrong, so therefore ''maybe'' my intention wasnt right? Maybe I was TOTALLY wrong.

Your thoughts and advice would be great

Jazak'Allah
You are not judging her, you are judging her actions according to the standard of Quran and sunnah, in line with what our scholars have said on the issue after deeply studying it.

Judging her would be if you held her in contempt and you did no such thing. "Don't judge me" is a common argument used by a lot of people engaged in sin and its usually more used when Islamic perspective is given on non Islamic practices, people say "don't judge me".
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