[imnaone]

if I get time tomorrow, I'll post how the salah of a woman differs from that of a man from the positions of the four madhaahib. Excerpts from the book,القدوة الحسنة في الصلوة النسوة (The Salah of Women) by Madrasah Arabia Islamia.

[BadbarmrapBef]

Well they look like they are fully prepared for an attack by the enemy ready for battle :d
it doesn't look like they are worshiping at all

Please dont mind this anyone .. but in our circles we call them [Ghair Mukallids] as "Karate" becoz of the way they pray :P

[Yarmark]

Assalaamu 'Alaykum,

People should think before they speak, regardless of the view you hold here.

I believe there is a opinion of Ibn 'Abd al-Barr in al-Kaafi [?] that there is no difference except in dress,
Whether or not this is a view one follows or not, instead think before you speak.

Fear Allah.

[Yarmark]

if I get time tomorrow, I'll post how the salah of a woman differs from that of a man from the positions of the four madhaahib. Excerpts from the book,القدوة الحسنة في الصلوة النسوة (The Salah of Women) by Madrasah Arabia Islamia.

Wa Alaykum Assalam,

I don't think it is necessary to quote the positions. Rather focus on some people's biased and nonsense statements here...

[leoto5Fm]

Assalaamu 'Alaykum,

People should think before they speak, regardless of the view you hold here.


Whether or not this is a view one follows or not, instead think before you speak.

Fear Allah.

agreed fully

[reawnvam]

Assalaamu 'Alaykum,

People should think before they speak, regardless of the view you hold here.

I believe there is a opinion of Ibn 'Abd al-Barr in al-Kaafi [?] that there is no difference except in dress, then you have these narrations:

''Also, Bukhaari reported in at-Taareekh as-Sagheer (p. 95) with a saheeh sanad from Umm ad-Dardaa', "that she used to sit in her prayer just as a man sits, and she was a woman of understanding."

Also Shaykh al-Albani [rahimahullah] has mentioned this in one of his books:

''Sheikh al-Albaani says in his book

"All that has been mentioned of the description of the Prophet's prayer (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) applies equally to men and women, for there is nothing in the Sunnah to necessitate the exception of women from any of these descriptions; in fact, the generality of his statement (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam), "Pray as you have seen me praying", includes women.
This is the view of Ibraaheem an-Nakh'i, who said, "A woman's actions in the prayer are the same as a man's" - transmitted by Ibn Abi Shaibah (1/75/2), with a saheeh sanad from him. ''

Whether or not this is a view one follows or not, instead think before you speak.

Fear Allah.

The narration from Ibn Abi Shayba regarding Ibrahim has been misquoted in the English translation of Sifah Salah...of Shaykh Nasir Albani. Shaykh Riyad ul Haq writes in his, 'The Salah of a believer in the Qur'an and Sunnah'; "This is not what Ibrahim al Nakhai said at all nor is it his view. His narration transmitted by Ibn Abi Shaibah actually reads, 'A woman will sit in salah just as a man does.' (Ibn Abi Shaibah 1/242, no 2788) This somehow has been misquoted as 'A woman's actions in the prayer are the same as a man's.'!
In fact, Ibrahim al Nakhai's other narrations quite clearly contradict the above report. His view about the prayer of a woman as reported by Ibn Abi Shaibah and others is as follows:
Ibrahim al Nakhai says, 'When a woman prostrates she should press her stomach against her thighs. She should not raise her posterior nor should she allow for any space or distance between the limbs of her body as a man does.'(Abdul Razzaq 5071 and Ibn Abi Shaibah 2782)
He also says, 'When a woman prostrates she should bring her thighs together and press her abdomen to them.' (Ibn Abi Shaibah 2779)
He also says, 'A woman should sit to one side in salah." (Abdul Razzaq 5077 and Ibn Abi Shaibah 2792)

Al-Nawawi said: "Al-Shafi’i said in al-Mukhtasar: there is no difference between men and women in prayer, except that women should keep the parts of their bodies close to one another, and they should make their stomachs touch their thighs during sujood. This is more covering and preferable, in rukoo’ and the rest of the prayer too." (See al-Majmu’ )

Basically a woman's prayer is the same as that of a man in essence. It is only in the actions that the special commandments of Purdah and concealment have to be taken care of.

[Karpattaisp]

The narration from Ibn Abi Shayba regarding Ibrahim has been misquoted in the English translation of Sifah Salah...of Shaykh Nasir Albani. Shaykh Riyad ul Haq writes in his, 'The Salah of a believer in the Qur'an and Sunnah'; "This is not what Ibrahim al Nakhai said at all nor is it his view. His narration transmitted by Ibn Abi Shaibah actually reads, 'A woman will sit in salah just as a man does.' (Ibn Abi Shaibah 1/242, no 2788) This somehow has been misquoted as 'A woman's actions in the prayer are the same as a man's.'!
In fact, Ibrahim al Nakhai's other narrations quite clearly contradict the above report. His view about the prayer of a woman as reported by Ibn Abi Shaibah and others is as follows:
Ibrahim al Nakhai says, 'When a woman prostrates she should press her stomach against her thighs. She should not raise her posterior nor should she allow for any space or distance between the limbs of her body as a man does.'(Abdul Razzaq 5071 and Ibn Abi Shaibah 2782)
He also says, 'When a woman prostrates she should bring her thighs together and press her abdomen to them.' (Ibn Abi Shaibah 2779)
He also says, 'A woman should sit to one side in salah." (Abdul Razzaq 5077 and Ibn Abi Shaibah 2792)

Al-Nawawi said: "Al-Shafi’i said in al-Mukhtasar: there is no difference between men and women in prayer, except that women should keep the parts of their bodies close to one another, and they should make their stomachs touch their thighs during sujood. This is more covering and preferable, in rukoo’ and the rest of the prayer too." (See al-Majmu’ )

Basically a woman's prayer is the same as that of a man in essence. It is only in the actions that the special commandments of Purdah and concealment have to be taken care of.

for this. Read this when I just needed it

[BadbarmrapBef]

JazakAllah, brother Abu_Tamim. May ALLAH help us preserve the truth and accepts your efforts !!

[BadbarmrapBef]

Assalaamu 'Alaykum,

People should think before they speak, regardless of the view you hold here.

I believe there is a opinion of Ibn 'Abd al-Barr in al-Kaafi [?] that there is no difference except in dress, then you have these narrations:

''Also, Bukhaari reported in at-Taareekh as-Sagheer (p. 95) with a saheeh sanad from Umm ad-Dardaa', "that she used to sit in her prayer just as a man sits, and she was a woman of understanding."

Also Shaykh al-Albani [rahimahullah] has mentioned this in one of his books:

''Sheikh al-Albaani says in his book

"All that has been mentioned of the description of the Prophet's prayer (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) applies equally to men and women, for there is nothing in the Sunnah to necessitate the exception of women from any of these descriptions; in fact, the generality of his statement (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam), "Pray as you have seen me praying", includes women.
This is the view of Ibraaheem an-Nakh'i, who said, "A woman's actions in the prayer are the same as a man's" - transmitted by Ibn Abi Shaibah (1/75/2), with a saheeh sanad from him. ''


Whether or not this is a view one follows or not, instead think before you speak.

Fear Allah.

Regarding Bukhari r.e.h [Umm ar Dardaa's] ahadees find the clearification on the below link.

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?ID=1311

Thus, I guess it is Al-Bani currently leading the race to be the first one to similate actions and postures of men and women in Salah. Dr Zakir Naik does his Taqleed so he is no the first one to claim.

The reason I say Dr Zakir Naik does Al-Bani's Taqleed is Dr Zakir Naik does not understand Arabic and I know his family as we were nieghbours in Mumbai [India] city. He is still struggling to learn tajweed of Quran; mastering Arabic is a long run for him.

He is not been in any madrasa as far as I know he is a self learned / researched free mind preacher.

May ALLAH help and guide him and all of us.

[Immusaatmonna]

The narration from Ibn Abi Shayba regarding Ibrahim has been misquoted in the English translation of Sifah Salah...of Shaykh Nasir Albani. Shaykh Riyad ul Haq writes in his, 'The Salah of a believer in the Qur'an and Sunnah'; "This is not what Ibrahim al Nakhai said at all nor is it his view. His narration transmitted by Ibn Abi Shaibah actually reads, 'A woman will sit in salah just as a man does.' (Ibn Abi Shaibah 1/242, no 2788) This somehow has been misquoted as 'A woman's actions in the prayer are the same as a man's.'!
In fact, Ibrahim al Nakhai's other narrations quite clearly contradict the above report. His view about the prayer of a woman as reported by Ibn Abi Shaibah and others is as follows:
Ibrahim al Nakhai says, 'When a woman prostrates she should press her stomach against her thighs. She should not raise her posterior nor should she allow for any space or distance between the limbs of her body as a man does.'(Abdul Razzaq 5071 and Ibn Abi Shaibah 2782)
He also says, 'When a woman prostrates she should bring her thighs together and press her abdomen to them.' (Ibn Abi Shaibah 2779)
He also says, 'A woman should sit to one side in salah." (Abdul Razzaq 5077 and Ibn Abi Shaibah 2792)

Al-Nawawi said: "Al-Shafi’i said in al-Mukhtasar: there is no difference between men and women in prayer, except that women should keep the parts of their bodies close to one another, and they should make their stomachs touch their thighs during sujood. This is more covering and preferable, in rukoo’ and the rest of the prayer too." (See al-Majmu’ )

Basically a woman's prayer is the same as that of a man in essence. It is only in the actions that the special commandments of Purdah and concealment have to be taken care of.

Doctor saheb.

[Karpattaisp]

Regarding Bukhari r.e.h [Umm ar Dardaa's] ahadees find the clearification on the below link.

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?ID=1311

Thus, I guess it is Al-Bani currently leading the race to be the first one to similate actions and postures of men and women in Salah. Dr Zakir Naik does his Taqleed so he is no the first one to claim.

The reason I say Dr Zakir Naik does Al-Bani's Taqleed is Dr Zakir Naik does not understand Arabic and I know his family as we were nieghbours in Mumbai [India] city. He is still struggling to learn tajweed of Quran; mastering Arabic is a long run for him.

He is not been in any madrasa as far as I know he is a self learned / researched free mind preacher.

May ALLAH help and guide him and all of us.

Since you are neighbors with his family, can you provide some more important info that is generally not unkown?
am not asking this so that we can start making fun of those issues, but so that we can show these points to those Muqallids who are getting impressed by him.

[Yarmark]

The narration from Ibn Abi Shayba regarding Ibrahim has been misquoted in the English translation of Sifah Salah...of Shaykh Nasir Albani. Shaykh Riyad ul Haq writes in his, 'The Salah of a believer in the Qur'an and Sunnah'; "This is not what Ibrahim al Nakhai said at all nor is it his view. His narration transmitted by Ibn Abi Shaibah actually reads, 'A woman will sit in salah just as a man does.' (Ibn Abi Shaibah 1/242, no 2788) This somehow has been misquoted as 'A woman's actions in the prayer are the same as a man's.'!
In fact, Ibrahim al Nakhai's other narrations quite clearly contradict the above report. His view about the prayer of a woman as reported by Ibn Abi Shaibah and others is as follows:
Ibrahim al Nakhai says, 'When a woman prostrates she should press her stomach against her thighs. She should not raise her posterior nor should she allow for any space or distance between the limbs of her body as a man does.'(Abdul Razzaq 5071 and Ibn Abi Shaibah 2782)
He also says, 'When a woman prostrates she should bring her thighs together and press her abdomen to them.' (Ibn Abi Shaibah 2779)
He also says, 'A woman should sit to one side in salah." (Abdul Razzaq 5077 and Ibn Abi Shaibah 2792)

Al-Nawawi said: "Al-Shafi’i said in al-Mukhtasar: there is no difference between men and women in prayer, except that women should keep the parts of their bodies close to one another, and they should make their stomachs touch their thighs during sujood. This is more covering and preferable, in rukoo’ and the rest of the prayer too." (See al-Majmu’ )

Basically a woman's prayer is the same as that of a man in essence. It is only in the actions that the special commandments of Purdah and concealment have to be taken care of.

JazakAllahu Khayran for the clarification.

[steerryGritly]

The narration from Ibn Abi Shayba regarding Ibrahim has been misquoted in the English translation of Sifah Salah...of Shaykh Nasir Albani. Shaykh Riyad ul Haq writes in his, 'The Salah of a believer in the Qur'an and Sunnah'; "This is not what Ibrahim al Nakhai said at all nor is it his view. His narration transmitted by Ibn Abi Shaibah actually reads, 'A woman will sit in salah just as a man does.' (Ibn Abi Shaibah 1/242, no 2788) This somehow has been misquoted as 'A woman's actions in the prayer are the same as a man's.'!
In fact, Ibrahim al Nakhai's other narrations quite clearly contradict the above report. His view about the prayer of a woman as reported by Ibn Abi Shaibah and others is as follows:
Ibrahim al Nakhai says, 'When a woman prostrates she should press her stomach against her thighs. She should not raise her posterior nor should she allow for any space or distance between the limbs of her body as a man does.'(Abdul Razzaq 5071 and Ibn Abi Shaibah 2782)
He also says, 'When a woman prostrates she should bring her thighs together and press her abdomen to them.' (Ibn Abi Shaibah 2779)
He also says, 'A woman should sit to one side in salah." (Abdul Razzaq 5077 and Ibn Abi Shaibah 2792)

Al-Nawawi said: "Al-Shafi’i said in al-Mukhtasar: there is no difference between men and women in prayer, except that women should keep the parts of their bodies close to one another, and they should make their stomachs touch their thighs during sujood. This is more covering and preferable, in rukoo’ and the rest of the prayer too." (See al-Majmu’ )

Basically a woman's prayer is the same as that of a man in essence. It is only in the actions that the special commandments of Purdah and concealment have to be taken care of.

if you are right.... then...
misquoted by whom? doesn't it look deliberate ? Isn't it distortion ?

[steerryGritly]

what is Albani sb who distorted ?
brother abu_tamim is an admirer of Albani sb.... so did he really distort or it was a blunder or its the case with the english translation alone ?

[BadbarmrapBef]

Similar distortion you will see in hadeeth on "when someone gets rukoo he got that rakah" because it goes against their argument on reciting fatihah behind the imam.

Brother Ahmed Sharif, can you please point to a thread discussing the distortion [preferably with scans] you mentioned. If it is not on sunniforum May I know where can I find it ? Also, if it is not on sunniforum can you please start a new thread and share that ?

[reawnvam]

if you are right.... then...
misquoted by whom? doesn't it look deliberate ? Isn't it distortion ?

Misquoted or mistranslated by the translator.

The part about deliberate distortion...........Allah knows Best.

[reawnvam]

what is Albani sb who distorted ?
brother abu_tamim is an admirer of Albani sb.... so did he really distort or it was a blunder or its the case with the english translation alone ?

How do you know Shaykh Albani distorted it?
You think that I am an admirer of Albani? You are a Sahib al Kashf?

[reawnvam]

JazakAllahu Khayran for the clarification.

Wa jazaka, Shaykh.

[steerryGritly]

You think that I am an admirer of Albani? You are a Sahib al Kashf?

Well, one of your post long ago gave me that impression.
Excuse me if i am wrong.

Edited
Gotcha...may be you reverted from this, but.. this was the one...

[reawnvam]

Well, one of your post long ago gave me that impression.
Excuse me if i am wrong.

Edited
Gotcha...may be you reverted from this, but.. this was the one...

What is there to revert from? It is true that he was one of the greatest living scholars of the science of hadith of recent times. Nonetheless, I disagree with his opinion in fiqh and taqlid and madhahib and some of his fataawa so violently that I cannot (personally) be called an admirer. A Muslim is bound to speak the truth and do justice with people.