[mashabox]

Sorry I did not listen to it - I only watched. Felt bad. Adnan Oktar jumped without parachute.

[Diortarkivoff]

أعوذ بالله من الشيطان الرجيم
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم


A`ūdhu billāhi min ash-shaitāni r-rajīm
b-ismi-llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm

Gören göz kılavuz istemez.

I wouldn't classify his views as "a tiny beacon of light... in a storm of darkness and contagion" I would classify the views expressed by Oktar (aka Harun Yahya) as a part of the said "storm of darkness and contagion." The situation in Turkey is complex and there are efforts towards goodness that have nothing to do with Oktar... I don't see how classifying everything coming out of Turkey, with the exception of Oktar, as filth is in keeping with the standards you mention should be upheld.

And Allah (SWT) knows best.

Sister,
I may have taken some literary license in describing Yahya as a "beacon of light". I'm not defending all what he says and does.

I see him as a sole Muslim with flaws doing some things for the sake of Islam. Like many of us.

If someone has a specific problem with a concept or idea which he espouses, they should present it. But judging an entire person?
Who can truly "judge" an entire person, except Allah ?
We can judge certain known actions and words.

Does Harun Yahya support Israel?
Does he call for secularism?
I know he is against Darwninism, which is a good position.

Besides determing the kufr or Islam of a person, why do Muslims think they can "judge" an entire person?

[boanuatiguali]

أعوذ بالله من الشيطان الرجيم
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم


A`ūdhu billāhi min ash-shaitāni r-rajīm
b-ismi-llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm

And I should clarify that I have not read his works. I have watched a number of his videos. Others who have read his works caution us about a hidden agenda therein - don't know about this, can't comment. What I comment on are the his spoken words and the visuals and these are like huge red-flags for me already... How does one present Islam in a context that is clearly not Islam... what do people who are unfamiliar with Islam then think? Glitz and glamour, contradictions, speaking strongly and in some cases in foul ways about fellow Muslims (calling them dirty people who don't know how to shower) while defending Israel. I'm not saying he is an Israeli etc. etc. but there is something that is contradictory about the views he presents; they contradict Islam and that is the deceptive element that I am worried about.

[edit: this man is not alone. He is presented in a public role, writes under a different name (persona #2), and certainly is not alone in his shows either... what we see is not just Adnan Oktar and for all we know he, the pen name and the numerous 'guests' could just be the tip of the iceberg. It is better to be cautious.]

[#[SoftAzerZx]]

Specific examples?

He interprets the Qur'an as never done before, he gives his own interpretations and puts music in his videos and by the way his beliefs on offensive and defensive Jihaad is incorrect. And he also stated that Human is not in the universe but instead the universe is in him because material world is but a perception, only images that are presented to ourselves, thus Allah is everywhere.

Wassalam.

[loginereQQ]

Sister,
I may have taken some literary license in describing Yahya as a "beacon of light". I'm not defending all what he says and does.

I see him as a sole Muslim with flaws doing some things for the sake of Islam. Like many of us.

If someone has a specific problem with a concept or idea which he espouses, they should present it. But judging an entire person?
Who can truly "judge" an entire person, except Allah ?
We can judge certain known actions and words.

Does Harun Yahya support Israel?
Does he call for secularism?
I know he is against Darwninism, which is a good position.

Besides determing the kufr or Islam of a person, why do Muslims think they can "judge" an entire person?

Salam 'Aleykum,

Full of wisdom Mawlana Usama.

I think of myself as a defender of the Sunnah yet I'm full of flaws, I hope they don't release a video of me playing video games

I also learned the hard way that it isn't good to attack scholars or students of knowledge, I mean I listen to al-Jaffri (famous Sufi) I take the benefit from his lectures but I may not agree with every single thing he says, I listen to al-'Arefi (famous Salafi) I take the benefit from his lectures as well but I don't agree with all that he says. Some people want you to hate al-Jaffir and stop listening to him they'll show you videos of him doing strange Sufi rituals at a grave site, some people want you to hate and stop watching al-'Arefi they'll show you videos of him speaking in favor of the Saudi government and so on... Once you read the books and biographies of scholars you learn that there is a rich diversity, no need to go bashing everyone that doesn't agree with you.

As far as Harun goes, we said the man is no scholar he has no legitimacy as a 'Alim, No one will ask him for a Fatwa, he is an Islamic researcher and he may have beneficial books or lectures. Is he a sinner? yes he definitely is from what we can see from the video above, but then again who isn't a sinner? spreading the flaws of people like him, people who work in Da'wah, this isn't a good idea.

[Quiniacab]

if you have an opinion about his work and if there anything contradictory to that of the teaching of Islam then please provide your evidence validated by a reliable scholar otherwise please refrain from attacking a Muslim due his is apparent flaws.

I know he isn't an aalim, you know he isn't an aalim, but what about the next person. His books sell like hot cakes in my city mainly amongst the youth, I myself have bought about 2 his books and to be honest have found them useful. While I agree with bro Gabriel about staying away from attacking a person for his apparent flaws, that really isn't how a average Muslim might think, imagine what sort of an impression he may have on the Muslim masses? I feel sorry for this man, and sad, my heart goes out for him and I ask Allah SWT to guide him.

But, remember, these are not sins committed out of sight, he is doing this in a public domain, in a subtle way, what that means:

1. Its Ok to listen to music.
2. Its Ok to be with women.

^ Atleast from the above video [I have watched before]

The average Muslim [like me] takes the easy way out, how many times haven't we heard people saying "If this person of knowledge is doing that, why not me??".

Why are Silvio Berlusconi's escapades making headlines? Because men in public sphere are to take themselves and what they say and what they do much more seriously than the average Joe on the street. Also note that he didn't commit them in front of all, meaning talking about Silvio could be gheebah then.

I'm gonna make duas for him InshaAllah.
May Allah SWT forgive me and all of us if we have indulged in gheebah, summa aameen.

Allahu Alam.

*Not comparing HY to Silvio. May Allah SWT guide him too, summa aameen.

[Immusaatmonna]

Few weeks back there was a huge problem with a scholar with trimmed beard: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...Shaykh-Babikir
Now scholars dancing with women is ok?

[topbonusescod]

Sigh : here is what you all should do - if you want to follow Islam then ask fatwas from reliable scholars dont follow Harun Yahya

but if you want to learn how to refute theory of evolution , and want to learn about some good research on Islam then have a look at his videos , they are useful - who says that if he is dancing you also dance like him ? of course everyone is a sinner , he has also sinned in dancing but that doesn't mean that we ignore all his other works which refute theory of evolution , which refute freemason , and zionists , why have we muslims become so extreme ? in short ask fatwas from reliable scholars and if you want to benefit by getting some good islamic knowledge watch his videos they are useful for some general knowledge


Admin and Moderators , plz delete this thread - i have become source of gheebat for Harun Yahya , so whoever will do gheebat of him i will be sinner , plzz delete this thread its my request

[mashabox]

White-Falcon is it OK if we criticize this particular action of him? Or that too will be gheebah? Remember you did not put that video on the net. You only used public information. And more than four people have already seen it.

[topbonusescod]

White-Falcon is it OK if we criticize this particular action of him? Or that too will be gheebah? Remember you did not put that video on the net. You only used public information. And more than four people have already seen it.

did i said anything wrong ?? i said if we want to follow Islam correct Islam we should follow reliable scholars not Harun Yahya - but if want to gain some general good info about Islam then whats wrong with Watching his videos if they are useful ? we should gain knowledge eve if its from enemies - but here a knowledge is coming from a Muslim who is working sincerely for Islam , though he is a sinner and his this particular action is of course wrong but that doenst mean we should not benefit from his other videos

if i have said anything wrong then point out - dont be on extremist side thats my rule

[mashabox]

did i said anything wrong ?? i said if we want to follow Islam correct Islam we should follow reliable scholars not Harun Yahya - but if want to gain some general good info about Islam then whats wrong with Watching his videos if they are useful ? we should gain knowledge eve if its from enemies - but here a knowledge is coming from a Muslim who is working sincerely for Islam , though he is a sinner and his this particular action is of course wrong but that doenst mean we should not benefit from his other videos

if i have said anything wrong then point out - dont be on extremist side thats my rule

(1) The video you linked is not the first one of that type that has come to our notice.
(2) Gheebah is involved when you are saying something that is hidden from public - above episode is public.
Hence your alarm at the possibility of gheebah is not well founded.

Just think of it in this way: Suppose you present to some one a copy of What Happens After Death? to some one then next day you start crying O Lord forgive me I have done gheebah of Shaikh Bulandshahri (RA) by passing on his writings to others. It does not make sense. Good words are meant for circulation. Coming to bad words - if these were spoken accidentally then these of course need to be hidden. That is when we should be considerate to our brothers and sisters. On the other hand if some one is doing bad things openly and is not even aware of it then it is your duty to stop him. At least he should be made aware of it. No one has talked about that.

But the least we can conclude that you need not be alarmed by the possibility of gheebah.
(3) Indeed you can learn good things from him. But this entails the task of identifying good and bad. Clearly you have to learn a lot from some one else.

I hope it removes some of the fog for you. And those extremists - ha I love them as much you love them. Got it?

[boanuatiguali]

أعوذ بالله من الشيطان الرجيم
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم


A`ūdhu billāhi min ash-shaitāni r-rajīm
b-ismi-llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm



The issue is not Adnan Oktar the individual and his personal shortcomings. The issue is Harun Yahya the public figure (production, conglomerate, brand) to whom many are drawn.

There is nothing more to say on this (on my part). I have an obligation to warn my brothers and sisters about deception and that is the extent of my warning.

May Allah (SWT) keep us safe and on the path of righteousness.

Wassalaam