[Biashpainabix]

dear brothers,

Would like to know from learned shuyookh of tasawwuf here..

1.What is munasibat ?
2. How do i know, that i have munasibat with my shaykh ?
3. If there is no munasibat, then there is no use in bayt ? or does it gradually develop?

[Biashpainabix]

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[DownloadMan]

1) Hazrat Thanvi (rah) says:
Experience has proven that for gaining spiritual benefit (fuyudh-e-batini), mutual munaasabat (compatibility/congeniality) between the Shaykh and Mureed is a natural condition.

Normally, benefit is dependent on affection which is the reality of natural connection (munaasabat-e-fitri). Sometimes a Shaykh will refer a Mureed to another Shaykh because of the lack of such munaasabat between them.

In doing so the Shaykh establishes either by deduction or inspiration from Allah Ta’ala that the Mureed has munaasabat with a certain Shaykh. In this Path it is essential that munaasabat exists between the Shaykh and Mureed otherwise the Mureed will not benefit.

Such munaasabat is the basis for getting benefit and passing on faidh (spiritual grace) to the Mureed. Munaasabat envisages that there exists between the Shaykh and Mureed compatibility and harmony to such a degree that the Mureed discerns no rejection in his heart for any word or act of the Shaykh, although the Mureed may be afflicted by mental disagreement with any word or act of the Shaykh.

Nevertheless such mental disagreement will not be a source of rejection for the Shaykh in the heart of the Mureed.

In short, harmony and compatibility are conditional. It is therefore essential to first inculcate munaasabat. This need is imperative. In the absence of this essential condition, mujaahadat (strivings), riyaadhat (certain forms of exercises designed to subdue the nafs), muraaqabah (meditations) and mukaashafat (intuitive revelations) are all futile.

In the absence of natural munaasabat (tab’i munaasabat), the Mureed should endeavor to inculcate intellectual (aqli) munaasabat, because benefit is dependent on it. For this reason, one should refrain from entering into a connection with the Shaykh until total munaasabat has been inculcated.

When I used to consult Maulana Yunus Patel Saheb (rah) many years back he used to tell me that you need munasibat, aqeedat (strong belief/ conviction) and azmat of Shaykh in your heart.

2. You will know know when you have munasibat when you can freely communicate with the Shaykh without any barriers whilst maintaining the required aadab. His speech affects you, your faults are being brought to light by his talks. Mufti Mahmoodul Hasan (rah) says one reason why he chose Hazrat Shaykh (rah) was that in the Majalis of other Akabir he found great ruhaniyat but in the Majlis of Hazrat Shaykh (rah) his faults were brought to light.

3. Generally bay't should not be done if you dont have munasibat. It can be developed, but its very hard.

Making istikhara and getting a sign is by far the best method of choosing a Shaykh. Istikhara settles the heart. The Sahaba say that Hazrat Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) used to teach us istikhara like he would teach us the Surahs of the Quran

May Allah help you

[PetraCromlich]

for the above.



I have a question. Is munasibat always two way? If a mureed feels strong munaasibat, is it because the shaykh does as well, or can it be it is only one sided?

[beenBinybelia]

for the above.



I have a question. Is munasibat always two way? If a mureed feels strong munaasibat, is it because the shaykh does as well, or can it be it is only one sided?

Munasibat is two way process, mashaikh always incline with there mureedeen,but those are us because of our pride and vanity, sometimes we cannot feel deep inclination towards our mashaikh ..
Vallahu aalam ...

[DownloadMan]

The language of the heart is different. Munasibat means the mureed has love for the Shaykh. Love speaks its own language. When hearts start communicating, the mouth's stop speaking. When the heart of the mureed leans towards the Shaykh, Allah puts the same feelings in the heart of the Shaykh

Some mureeds are walking behind the Shaykh daily, picking his shoes, giving him gifts... even though they are close to the Shaykh physically, their hearts are far away from him. There are some who are far away physically but their hearts they are very close by. They benefit the most.

Most mureeds make a false claim of love. They are in love with the Shaykhs buzrugi. Not the Shaykh himseelf

[Karpattaisp]

The language of the heart is different. Munasibat means the mureed has love for the Shaykh. Love speaks its own language. When hearts start communicating, the mouth's stop speaking. When the heart of the mureed leans towards the Shaykh, Allah puts the same feelings in the heart of the Shaykh

Some mureeds are walking behind the Shaykh daily, picking his shoes, giving him gifts... even though they are close to the Shaykh physically, their hearts are far away from him. There are some who are far away physically but their hearts they are very close by. They benefit the most.

Most mureeds make a false claim of love. They are in love with the Shaykhs buzrugi. Not the Shaykh himseelf

All this sounds very fascinating. Am getting more and more interested in the world of Tasawwuf

[PetraCromlich]

The language of the heart is different. Munasibat means the mureed has love for the Shaykh. Love speaks its own language. When hearts start communicating, the mouth's stop speaking. When the heart of the mureed leans towards the Shaykh, Allah puts the same feelings in the heart of the Shaykh

Some mureeds are walking behind the Shaykh daily, picking his shoes, giving him gifts... even though they are close to the Shaykh physically, their hearts are far away from him. There are some who are far away physically but their hearts they are very close by. They benefit the most.

Most mureeds make a false claim of love. They are in love with the Shaykhs buzrugi. Not the Shaykh himseelf

for explaining, especially the bold.

[Biashpainabix]

1) Hazrat Thanvi (rah) says:
Experience has proven that for gaining spiritual benefit (fuyudh-e-batini), mutual munaasabat (compatibility/congeniality) between the Shaykh and Mureed is a natural condition.

Normally, benefit is dependent on affection which is the reality of natural connection (munaasabat-e-fitri). Sometimes a Shaykh will refer a Mureed to another Shaykh because of the lack of such munaasabat between them.

In doing so the Shaykh establishes either by deduction or inspiration from Allah Ta’ala that the Mureed has munaasabat with a certain Shaykh. In this Path it is essential that munaasabat exists between the Shaykh and Mureed otherwise the Mureed will not benefit.

Such munaasabat is the basis for getting benefit and passing on faidh (spiritual grace) to the Mureed. Munaasabat envisages that there exists between the Shaykh and Mureed compatibility and harmony to such a degree that the Mureed discerns no rejection in his heart for any word or act of the Shaykh, although the Mureed may be afflicted by mental disagreement with any word or act of the Shaykh.

Nevertheless such mental disagreement will not be a source of rejection for the Shaykh in the heart of the Mureed.

In short, harmony and compatibility are conditional. It is therefore essential to first inculcate munaasabat. This need is imperative. In the absence of this essential condition, mujaahadat (strivings), riyaadhat (certain forms of exercises designed to subdue the nafs), muraaqabah (meditations) and mukaashafat (intuitive revelations) are all futile.

In the absence of natural munaasabat (tab’i munaasabat), the Mureed should endeavor to inculcate intellectual (aqli) munaasabat, because benefit is dependent on it. For this reason, one should refrain from entering into a connection with the Shaykh until total munaasabat has been inculcated.

When I used to consult Maulana Yunus Patel Saheb (rah) many years back he used to tell me that you need munasibat, aqeedat (strong belief/ conviction) and azmat of Shaykh in your heart.

2. You will know know when you have munasibat when you can freely communicate with the Shaykh without any barriers whilst maintaining the required aadab. His speech affects you, your faults are being brought to light by his talks. Mufti Mahmoodul Hasan (rah) says one reason why he chose Hazrat Shaykh (rah) was that in the Majalis of other Akabir he found great ruhaniyat but in the Majlis of Hazrat Shaykh (rah) his faults were brought to light.

3. Generally bay't should not be done if you dont have munasibat. It can be developed, but its very hard.

Making istikhara and getting a sign is by far the best method of choosing a Shaykh. Istikhara settles the heart. The Sahaba say that Hazrat Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) used to teach us istikhara like he would teach us the Surahs of the Quran

May Allah help you

JazakÁllah brother. do you have urdu scan of the above. Did not understand completely. Also, if you can specify some more examples.

[DownloadMan]

JazakÁllah brother. do you have urdu scan of the above. Did not understand completely. Also, if you can specify some more examples.

I do not have the Urdu scans but will ask a friend if he can get it for me inshaAllah
What are your reasons for seeking a Shaykh and what do you expect in a Shaykh-mureed relationship?

If you can't say it in public I understand. If asking was inappropriate, forgive me

[Biashpainabix]

I do not have the Urdu scans but will ask a friend if he can get it for me inshaAllah
What are your reasons for seeking a Shaykh and what do you expect in a Shaykh-mureed relationship?

If you can't say it in public I understand. If asking was inappropriate, forgive me

No Probem.
I am already bayt with a shaykh. He is in a different country than me.
Wanted to know if there is munasibat or not ?

[Goksiodiffeli]

dear brothers,

Would like to know from learned shuyookh of tasawwuf here..

1.What is munasibat ?
2. How do i know, that i have munasibat with my shaykh ?
3. If there is no munasibat, then there is no use in bayt ? or does it gradually develop?

If you have no opposition to the teachings of your shaikh - thats it. Thats all you need. This is a sign of kamil munasibat, perfect congeniality.

Some mashaikh are of the opinion that munasibat is like a marriage - you slowely develop it. Munasibat issue should have been handled prior to bayt as traditionally it used to be. Only recently people jump into bayts without understanding these things.

[Biashpainabix]

If you have no opposition to the teachings of your shaikh - thats it. Thats all you need. This is a sign of kamil munasibat, perfect congeniality.

Some mashaikh are of the opinion that munasibat is like a marriage - you slowely develop it. Munasibat issue should have been handled prior to bayt as traditionally it used to be. Only recently people jump into bayts without understanding these things.

shaykh,

Why will one oppose the teachings of his shaykh? in what way ?
excuse me, but i am not yet clarified. can you plz give an example.

[beenBinybelia]

shaykh,

Why will one oppose the teachings of his shaykh? in what way ?
excuse me, but i am not yet clarified. can you plz give an example.

If you are urdu speaking, read book "ba adab ba nasib " by hazarat mavlana zulfiqar ahemad (db ).easily available in market
There is a bab #8 in this book "rahe sulook ke aadab "after reading this book inshaallah you will got clearification, ...
and in one sentence we can say what munasibat is "If shaykh do something. Or order to do Somthing which is not as per mureed s desire and then mureed can be patience and happy with his teacher's Will, that is called he has a kamil munasibat with his shaykh,
Hope this will help,

[Biashpainabix]

If you are urdu speaking, read book "ba adab ba nasib " by hazarat mavlana zulfiqar ahemad (db ).easily available in market
There is a bab #8 in this book "rahe sulook ke aadab "after reading this book inshaallah you will got clearification, ...
and in one sentence we can say what munasibat is "If shaykh do something. Or order to do Somthing which is not as per mureed s desire and then mureed can be patience and happy with his teacher's Will, that is called he has a kamil munasibat with his shaykh,
Hope this will help,

Yes, i can read urdu & fortunately i have the book too, Alhamdulillah.
Will read and post if i have any doubts.

[boiffrona]

dear brothers,

Would like to know from learned shuyookh of tasawwuf here..

1.What is munasibat ?
2. How do i know, that i have munasibat with my shaykh ?
3. If there is no munasibat, then there is no use in bayt ? or does it gradually develop?

salam

Sayyidi wa sanadi Hazrat Mufti Mohammad Taqi Usmani sahib db said while explaining the Sheikh-mureed relationship;

“My Sheikh ra used to say that there are three levels of relationship with the Sheikh.

First is the ‘aqidet’ (reverence). That is, being impressed by Sheikh’s reputation of either scholarly knowledge, or piety or association with pious predecessors, or affectionately guiding disciples, a feeling of respect and desire to benefit from him arises. This is the first stage.

Second stage is that of ‘munasbet’ (congeniality). That is, on hearing Sheikh’s advice the aspirant readily accepts it and feels as though the words are pouring directly into his heart. The advice seems to be aimed directly at him. It appears to addresses his own spiritual ailments. Most importantly it does not stir any significant negative thoughts and criticism.

The final stage is that of ‘muhabbet’ (love). That is, being in association with the Sheikh for some time gradually a desire strengthens to benefit from him abundantly, to visit him often, to hear his advice and act accordingly. This is the desired level necessary for benefiting from the Sheikh. It is at this stage taking bayah is most useful. And it is the usual practice in the tareeq of Hazrat Hakeemul Ummat Mawlana Asharf Ali Thanawi ra to take bayat at this stage.

Waaz: 9th July 2006, Sunday, Masjid Darul Uloom, Karachi

[Goksiodiffeli]

All questions answered by the 2 posters above

[beenBinybelia]

Yes, i can read urdu & fortunately i have the book too, Alhamdulillah.
Will read and post if i have any doubts.

[beenBinybelia]

All questions answered by the 2 posters above

Please, shaykh remember me in your pious duaas.

"Amal ki mere isaas kya hai, bajuj nadamat ke pass kya hai,
Rahe salamat tumhari nisabat, mera to bas aasra yahi hai".......

May Allah give me tawfiq for amal on
"Kunu maas swadiqin".....aameen

[DownloadMan]

All this sounds very fascinating. Am getting more and more interested in the world of Tasawwuf

Brother, i do not know where you are from, but last night i was sitting after Ghust and before our Majlis and you popped into my head suddenly. I think you should find yourself a Shaykh.