[avaissema]

A comparison of enemies of Islam during the time of the Prophet and today. This lecture gave me goosebumps.
Names might have changed, but Firawn is still there, Abu Jahl is still there... we just need to realize it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo3QZoZzARo


This thread can be further extended to help Muslims recognize allies and enemies among non-muslims.

[elalmhicabalp]

Looks very interesting.I'm going to watch it later.JazakAllah kyran for posting.

[avaissema]

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[shiciapsisy]

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is it an old talk or a recent one, I prefer his older ones?

[avaissema]

is it an old talk or a recent one, I prefer his older ones?

old one. Its a powerful talk.

[chuecaloversvv]

subhanallah, what happened to him between then and now? Nowadays he seems so liberal.

[shiciapsisy]

subhanallah, what happened to him between then and now? Nowadays he seems so liberal.

I think after september 11th he realized just how precarious the situation on the American Muslims was and re-dedicated much of his time to being an ambassador for Islam with the American establishment and media - an ambassador does not usually criticize his hosts in strong words.

A lot of Muslims are hard on him for this but at the end of the day they are the Muslims who fail to realize, that if things had been only slightly different, America was quite capable of interning or expelling many, many times more Muslims than they did.

[chuecaloversvv]

I think after september 11th he realized just how precarious the situation on the American Muslims was and re-dedicated much of his time to being an ambassador for Islam with the American establishment and media - an ambassador does not usually criticize his hosts in strong words.

A lot of Muslims are hard on him for this but at the end of the day they are the Muslims who fail to realize, that if things had been only slightly different, America was quite capable of interning or expelling many, many times more Muslims than they did.

One reason why muslims shouldn't live there.

If he thinks as you say then it seems to me he might have a problem with megalomania.

[VoriEremiagem]

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If he thinks as you say then it seems to me he might have a problem with megalomania.

How?

[chuecaloversvv]

How?

It implies he thinks HE can change the minds of the kuffar, and sway them over, that HE can save the muslims in america, that he thinks HE is the leader they need. And so on.

You can see this in his more recent speeches, especially this one that he gave at some university in the UK. I forget which, but it was with tariq ramadan.

[VoriEremiagem]

It implies he thinks HE can change the minds of the kuffar, and sway them over, that HE can save the muslims in america, that he thinks HE is the leader they need. And so on.

You can see this in his more recent speeches, especially this one that he gave at some university in the UK. I forget which, but it was with tariq ramadan.

But this would probably only be problematic if he thought that he was capable of this without the help of the Allah. Furthermore, I don't think that he feels that he is the only one qualified to take on this responsibility but that this responsibility has been thrust on him by others. I mean, I don't know how it is permissible for you to jump to the conclusion that if someone attempts to do something that they must be megalomaniacs. Would this make all those brothers who go on Tabligh megalomaniacs as well because they somehow believe that "they" can help change the condition of individual Muslims?

This really makes no sense.

[chuecaloversvv]

But this would probably only be problematic if he thought that he was capable of this without the help of the Allah. Furthermore, I don't think that he feels that he is the only one qualified to take on this responsibility but that this responsibility has been thrust on him by others. I mean, I don't know how it is permissible for you to jump to the conclusion that if someone attempts to do something that they must be megalomaniacs. Would this make all those brothers who go on Tabligh megalomaniacs as well because they somehow believe that "they" can help change the condition of individual Muslims?

This really makes no sense.

It makes sense when you compare his old attitude, then think about what went on in his head that caused him to change from that, to his current liberal attitude.

The difference between him and tablighis, is that he is a public figure. So his thought process would have been different. It seems like he thought if he became nicer and less critical of the kuffar, it would some how benefit his community, when that has not occurred. What has happened is that he has started corrupting people, making them more liberal, more accomodating to kufr, arguing that hijab isn't necessary in the west, becoming a quasi-perrenialist, among other things.

[avaissema]

Brother, Shaykh Hamza yusuf has been discussed and is being discussed in many other threads. It would be very nice if we could discuss about the topic at hand, 'Opposition to Islam, Yesterday and Today'.

[VoriEremiagem]

It makes sense when you compare his old attitude, then think about what went on in his head that caused him to change from that, to his current liberal attitude.

You are assuming that you understand what was going on his head.

The difference between him and tablighis, is that he is a public figure. So his thought process would have been different.

But the relationship between one embarking upon a task and the potential for "megalomania" is the same. Don't you realize that?

It seems like he thought if he became nicer and less critical of the kuffar, it would some how benefit his community, when that has not occurred. What has happened is that he has started corrupting people, making them more liberal, more accomodating to kufr, arguing that hijab isn't necessary in the west, becoming a quasi-perrenialist, among other things.

I do not dispute (nor do I agree) with any of what you have said above. However, none of this proves or indicates megalomania.

[chuecaloversvv]

You are assuming that you understand what was going on his head.



But the relationship between one embarking upon a task and the potential for "megalomania" is the same. Don't you realize that?

The potential is greater in a public figure.

It's pretty clear what was going on in his head, as I said, just by comparing his old attitude to his current one. It is clear.

This is kind of pointless.

[Britfunclubs]

But this would probably only be problematic if he thought that he was capable of this without the help of the Allah. Furthermore, I don't think that he feels that he is the only one qualified to take on this responsibility but that this responsibility has been thrust on him by others. I mean, I don't know how it is permissible for you to jump to the conclusion that if someone attempts to do something that they must be megalomaniacs. Would this make all those brothers who go on Tabligh megalomaniacs as well because they somehow believe that "they" can help change the condition of individual Muslims?

This really makes no sense.

You know, this actually was addressed by a zimmedaar of our city [he is also a top aalim] about how Allah SWT corrects the egos of the workers of tabligh [mainly those who give bayan], wanna know? remind me tomorrow.