[jenilopaz]

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[Enjknsua]

Relax, brother

If you actually know any sufis who stab themselves and hang up pictures, and tell you that having visions and going into trances is essential to tasawwuf, then yes, you absolutely need to avoid those people. Istighatha has nothing to do with Ashari thought. Yes, there are some Asharis who believe in it, but there are many, like most on this forum, who don't.

Marifah, self-annihilation...these are just names that people have given to realities that always existed. Call it varying levels of taqwa. You know in hadith jibreel, where Nabi says ihsan is to "Worship Allah as though you see Him, for even if you don't see Him, He sees you". That is the goal that is referred to as Marifah. Not everyone will reach this station, and that's ok. We all need to try, though. As for self-annihilation, I give you another hadith qudsi where Allah talks about how a servant draws closer through obligatory and voluntary actions, until He becomes the servant's "ears by which he hears, eyes by which he sees, hand by which he strikes..." This happens when a servant brings himself completely in line with the commands of Allah, as a result of which he leaves aside his own desires and passions. He becomes pleased with the decree of Allah, effectively annihilating himself.

So don't worry about the labels.

Please, take a few minutes to read this:

http://www.tasawwuf.org/basics/what_tasawwuf.htm

[daguy]

Its one thing to read about them, and another thing to be among them, do the latter and know for yourself, for now forget the books. The real sufi shaykh's practice upon the sunnah like no other. I'm having husn e zann about you

[prpaims]

brother you have mentioned before that you found shaykh nuh kellers evidences for ashari/maturidi way being the right way, and 'salafi' way being innovation reasonable and acceptable, but your whole new found 'faith' in this concept of ahlus sunnah has been shaken by this sufi teachings, istigatha, and the principle of bidah e hasana

well the latter [bida e hasana] are accepted by the majority of scholars, including Imam Shafi and the likes, thus you really should have no problem with that; regarding sufism, the following two links [the latter being an online book from a late great deobandi shaykh] will give you a comprehensive understandin of them with the shari'a proof and explanations of seemably contradictory aspects of it; the online book link will explain what the 'salafi's' usually refer to as 'bidah' or 'shirk'


http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/nuh/sufitlk.htm

http://attahawi.files.wordpress.com/...ndivisible.pdf


regarding istigatha, i havn't looked into the reasonings and evidences of that, but you have mentioned that a faraz rabbani article on it had you rattled; it may be ok in that a person ultimately wants the help of Allah by using saints only as intermediaries, and when they call upon the saints, it is with the intention that Allah conveys the message to them; if one can call upon the Prophet [saw] with this intent, then maybe it can be done with other saints too, and the invocation is never for them saints to help them directly, but it is for the saints to make dua to ALlah for them etc,, but there might be a difference of opinion about it between the berelwi and deobandi school, and farz rabbani is somewhat of the berelwi persuasion on such matters as is his teacher shaykh nuh keller, thus if you find this too problematic, you can adhere to the deobandi opinion on this

regarding miracles [karamat] by sufi's; why do you find this so problematic bro.; dont you think that ALlah could grant them such gifts for their extreme piety? and the foreknowledge of any of the unseen or the hidden of sufi's may be true based on ALlah unveiling for them some of it, or it may be part of the fake sufi teachings br. so i'd look into this further

regarding seeing the Prophet [saw] during while a person is awake, this could be from the great blessing of ALlah [swt] or it may refer to a principle of sufism of 'visualising' and imagining saints in front of them; such visualisations are prohibbited now for people could misuse them, but traditional sufi's have visualised the Prophet [saw] in this way and even consulted him regarding their actions

finally i'd earnestly request you to seriously think this over very carefully br. and think about all the evidences of the salafi's deviations presented by shaykh nuh keller; if you find aspects of tawassul or sufism hard to digest for now, you can just leave it out from affirming them or practicing them; i done the same for many years when i weren't sure about it; but confusion over some aspects should not be reason to desregard the rest of the evidences that ashari/maturidi is the right way

[intisgunkas]

Asalamu aleikum,
Guys this is crazy, I don't know why you have such hatred for minhajus salafiya, all it is is a call to following the deen of Islam as Rasul Allah taught his companions and not adhereing to fictional fabricated traditions passed down over the hundereds of years steeped in bid'ah.

So all of a sudden in Saudi true Islam was recovered after hundreds of years of deviation and shirk by Muslims?

How come Muslims were powerful and only after the Arabs revolted against the Ottomon Khilafah did the Muslims become powerless? Why did this true Saudi Islam result in the colonization of Islam and Muslims?

In knowledge is everyone equal? Are some more knowledgeable than others?

[diseeKeythilt]

Asalaam
If being a 'light' salafi worked out and allowed you to practice then stick to it instead of confusing yourself on Islam and putting your imaan and practice in danger.

Sufism is not a seperate religion, sufis practice shariat and do zikrullah and keep a spiritual connection with a shaykh who acts as a spiritual mentor, you find a compatible shaykh who you can relate to you and he through his experience and his connection with Allah he guides you establishing a closer connection to Allah through various muamulaat from shariat. If he contradicts shariat or opposes shariat as many fake sufis do then run a million miles. Many sufi shaykhs are dodgy though the many hidden gems who don't publicise themselves, many shaykhs are scholars.

Bayat is not mandatory, the companionship of the shaykh and his advices are recommended as a means of bettering oneself. Sufism is not in the books it is in the company of the righteous shaykh.

All these terms could easily mean something else, a person connects to a shaykh to better his spiritual heart and practice upon shariat.

Don't overcomplicate something simple, again there are may fake sufis, let me know where you leave and maybe we can recommend someone righteous.

If this situation is damaging your imaan then stick to light salafi, though be open minded.

Wasalaam

[elton]

So all of a sudden in Saudi true Islam was recovered after hundreds of years of deviation and shirk by Muslims?

How come Muslims were powerful and only after the Arabs revolted against the Ottomon Khilafah did the Muslims become powerless? Why did this true Saudi Islam result in the colonization of Islam and Muslims?

In knowledge is everyone equal? Are some more knowledgeable than others?

ASA,

The 'Mystical' Sufism is just raspberries to some of us. This does not mean that a practitioner of Tasawwuf is wrong or deviated and that what you refer to as 'Saudi Islam' is the only way. Most enlightened so called 'Salafees' (I do not like this term/tag much) today do not negate the importance of spirituality as an important factor to one's religious well being. However we prefer to tread with caution due to the bad name that has been attached to certain Soofees and some questionable practices. There is no problem if a true Wali (who sticks to and adheres strictly to Sharia) is followed as a source of guidence. Let's not go to extremes in our religious beliefs and practices.

[Thomaswhitee]

Can his other posts also be moved to this thread? All of them have similar urgency.