[Abarricoss]

So the Hanafis think that even if there is a group of 100 women that need to pray they need to get a man to lead them all.

"The Islamic recommendation to offer prayers in congregation in the mosque applies to men only. The Prophet (SAAS) advised women to offer their prayers at home, in the most secluded corner of the house... however, women are not banned from the mosque altogether (despite certain cultural practices among Muslims!). If the intention is to pray and learn, then we can go. The Prophet (SAAS) told the men not to forbid the women if they wanted to go to the mosque... The rule about men praying in the front rows and women praying at the back applies to prayer at home, too. Even a husband and wife shouldn't form one row in prayer... A woman cannot lead a mixed congregation in prayer, but when there are only women present, one of them can lead the others. Thus, although we don't have to attend prayers in the mosque, we need not miss out on the benefits and rewards of congregational prayer. When a woman leads others in prayer, she should stand in the middle of the row, not out in front like a male Imam. If there is only one other woman present, she should stand to the right of the "Imam". The woman on the right should recite the Iqama (call immediately preceding prayers)." (source: The Muslim Woman's Handbook by Huda Khattab, 1994, pp. 1-4)

Women, children, the sick and those who care for them, the very old and the blind do not need to pray in congregation (source: Ta'leemul Haq, 2011, p.103).

[km2000]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K44_GTueMm4

Astagfirullah. Men and Women praying side by side. What has happened to our world?? This is sign of DAY OF JUDGEMENT.

Look at these misguided people listening to this woman.

People in Canada please boycott this organization.

Salaam,

This is quite old. The one giving the Adhan at the beginning is a shia but more modernist than anything. These are the same people that tried to petition he government to ban the burqa in Canada, they are connected to Tarek Fatah, who is a mere puppet of the right wing politicians and pundits in Canada like Ezra Levant and Michael Coren may they be rendered to dust. The husband of the 'imam' in this does not agree with her, and does not let her lead prayers at home (you'll see this in the full program).
Anyway even if there are opinions that women could lead the prayers, that is not why these people are doing it, they are doing it to try to become more secular because of feminism. Mostly these freaks are pakistanis, I don't know what is up with that.

[Bxbhtjnr]

I heard something similar to this in a talk by Shaykh Hamza Yusuf on YT.

Assalamu alaykum

Hamza Yusuf, Ibn Taimiyyah (rahimahullah) and the Issue of Women Leading Men in Prayers
Dec, 2011Sheikh Abu Adnan


بسم الله والحمد للله وصلاة والسلام على رسول الله

In the clip below, Hamza Yusuf said the following regarding Sheikhul Islam ibn Taimiyyah rahimahullah in a conference titled “Rethinking Islamic Reform” at Oxford University, London:

“Ibn Taimiyyah himself permitted women to lead men in prayer if they were illiterate and she was literate. He just said that she should lead from the back so she won’t distract the men. Ibn Taimiyyah permtting a women to lead men in prayer (Pause and further emphasis added through body language). Right? This is the tradition, it’s all there. People have no idea how many of these issues have been already examined, discussed, and incredible erudition and energy went into this. So if you look, the Islamic tradition has within itself has all of the needs to renovate the house but it is going to take an immense amount of intellectual energy, very very highly qualified people which necessitates institutions that can train and produce the types of people that are needed to engage in this activity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x45ysEfSuX0

The claim was brought forward to Sheikh Abu Adnan (May Allah preserve him) and this was the Sheikh’s reply:

I couldn’t find where Ibn Taimiyyah himself permits women to lead men in prayer and that she should lead from the back so she won’t distract the men.

What was found is in Naqid Maratib Al ijma’). He said:
(ائتمام الرجال الأميين بالمرأة القارئة في قيام رمضان يجوز في المشهور عن أحمد، وفي سائر التطوع روايتان.)
“the Ummy (illiterate) men to follow the qari’ah woman in salaah alQiyyam in Ramadan is allowed in the famous opinion narrated from Ahmed and in all the optional salaat there are two narrations from the Imam.”

There are a few points we can take from this:
1. We see that Ibn Taimiyyah narrated from Imam Ahmad and it was not his own opinion; that it is permissible because the men are not able to lead, therefore a need and necessity arose. The woman takes the lead because she is the only one who is able to recite properly and correctly. According to the scholars of Fiqh, ‘ummy’ (illiterate) means someone who can’t read/recite the alFatiha. One of the main conditions of correctly leading the prayers (Imamah) is the ability to read the Fatiha correctly.

2. The case was not in regard to the obligatory prayers. It was regarding the Taraweeh in Ramadan and for when the method of praying it requires an Imam. More importantly, The Teraweeh is an optional prayer. In regards to the other optional prayers, there are two narrations from Imam Ahmad. It is clear, that the difference of opinion is in the optional prayers and not on the obligatory prayers which includes the Friday khutbah and prayer. [Hamza Yusuf failed to cite this salient point, especially when the "issue in America a few years ago" that he mentioned was about a women leading the Friday rituals]

3. Ibn Taimiyyah was simply quoting a statement in the Hanbali madhab. Ibn Taimiyyah narrated this point not to agree or disagree with the statement/opinion [Hamza Yusuf claims that he agreed with the opinion]. Moreover, the reason why Ibn Taimiyyah wrote Naqid Maratib al-ijma’ was to correct the Ijma (consensus) rulings narrated by Ibn Hazim in his book Maratib al-ijma’. Ibn Hazm (rahimahullah) narrated the following:
(اتفقوا أن المرأة لا تؤم الرجال وهم يعلمون أنها امرأة، فإن فعلوا فصلاتهم فاسدة بالإجماع)
They agreed that the woman does not lead men when they (the men) are aware that a woman is leading them. If the men are aware, their prayer is void by consensus.
What we see here is that ibn Taimiyyah was in fact correcting the actual ijma and it wasn’t the opinion of Ibn Taimiyyah himself.

4. The description on how the woman should lead was actually made by one of the fathers of the Hanbali Fiqh, ibn Qudamah rahimahullah in his comprehensive work, alMughni; again not by ibn Taimiyyah. In this, ibn Qudamah also restricted it to the optional Taraweeh prayers and he was quoting other Hanaabilah scholars. In fact, Ibn Qudamah had disagreed and refuted the opinion of a woman leading in all prayers and said it is impermissible by the following statements (underlined in the Arabic text below), “…the hadith of the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) is sufficient for us, ‘a women should not lead the men...” and he continued by stating, "there is no disagreement (khilaaf) in that she is not allowed to lead them in obligatory Salah..."

مسألة : إمامة الخنثى مسألة : قال : وإن صلى خلف مشرك أو امرأة أو خنثى مشكل أعاد الصلاة وجملته أن الكافر لا تصح الصلاة خلفه بحال سواء علم بكفره بعد فراغه من الصلاة أو قبل ذلك وعلى من صلى وراءه الإعادة وبهذا قال الشافعي وأصحاب الرأي وقال أبو ثور و المزني لا إعادة على من صلى خلفه وهو لا يعلم لأنه ائتم بمن لا يعلم حاله فأشبه ما لو ائتم بمحدث ولنا أنه ائتم بمن ليس من أهل الصلاة فلم تصح صلاته كما لو ائتم بمجنون وأما المحدث فيشترط أن لا يعلم حدث نفسه والكافر يعلم حال نفسه وأما المرأة فلا يصح أن يأتم بها الرجل بحال في فرض ولا نافلة في قول عامة الفقهاء وقال أبو ثور : لا إعادة على من صلى خلفها وهو قياس قول المزني وقال بعض أصحابنا : يجوز أن تؤم الرجال في التراويح وتكون وراءهملما [ روي عن أم ورقة بنت عبد الله بن الحارث أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم جعل لها مؤذنا يؤذن لها وأمرها أن تؤم أهل دارها ] رواه أبو داود وهذا عام في الرجال والنساء ولنا قول النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم : [ لا تؤمن امرأة رجلا ] ولأنها لا تؤذن للرجال فلم يجز أن تؤمهم كالمجنون وحديث أم ورقة إنما أذن لها أن تؤم نساء أهل دارها كذلك رواه الدارقنطي وهذه زيادة يجب قبولها ولو لم يذكر ذلك لتعين حمل الخبر عليه لأنه أذن لها أن تؤم في الفرائض بدليل جعل لها مؤذنا والأذان إنما يشرع في الفرائض ولا خلاف في أنها لا تؤمهم في الفرائض ولأن تخصيص ذلك بالتروايح واشتراط تأخرها تحكم يخالف الأصول بغير دليل فلا يجوز المصير إليه ولو قدر ثبوت ذلك لأم ورقة لكان خاصا بها بدليل أنه لا
يشرع لغيرها من النساء

Barakallahu feekum

Note: Comments in the square brackets are not from Sheikh Abu Adnan.


http://www.abuadnan.com.au/articles.php#hamza1

[SarkisPioute]

Whats wrong in women leading the prayer? Let Allah judge them. A man that , with sincere heart , prays his salah behind a woman Imam is better than a man who prays salah behind a man imam ....just to 'full fill' his daily ritual routine..


Muslims has big problems...this aint one of them for sure.

Also this in the West ... Western Islam will be more liberal than Eastern Islam.

[Abarricoss]

Daily Dua for the Ummah
Allaahumma aSlih ummata MuHammadin
Allaahumma farriji l-karba 'an ummata
MuHammadin Allaahumma arHam ummata MuHammadin

Translation of the du'a:
"O Allah! Rectify the ummah of Muhammad
O Allah! Grant ease from hardship to the ummah of Muhammad
O Allah! Have mercy on the ummah of Muhammad ."

[edit: Arabic posted by brother FususAlHikam in original thread and the transliteration and translation by brother Abdulwahhab]

[Karinochka]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K44_GTueMm4

Astagfirullah. Men and Women praying side by side. What has happened to our world?? This is sign of DAY OF JUDGEMENT.

Look at these misguided people listening to this woman.

People in Canada please boycott this organization.

That's what I call full of cr*p!

[Karinochka]

Whats wrong in women leading the prayer? Let Allah judge them. A man that , with sincere heart , prays his salah behind a woman Imam is better than a man who prays salah behind a man imam ....just to 'full fill' his daily ritual routine..


Muslims has big problems...this aint one of them for sure.

Also this in the West ... Western Islam will be more liberal than Eastern Islam.

So now there are TWO Islams? Mashallah.

Let me tell you why their version of Not-Islam will not work, because the entire nation will reject it outright, as you said Muslims have a lot of problems, and this filth above just adds another.

[Enjknsua]

Whats wrong in women leading the prayer? Let Allah judge them. A man that , with sincere heart , prays his salah behind a woman Imam is better than a man who prays salah behind a man imam ....just to 'full fill' his daily ritual routine..


Muslims has big problems...this aint one of them for sure.

Also this in the West ... Western Islam will be more liberal than Eastern Islam.

No...just, no.

See the links in post 13 here: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...l=1#post498860

The fatwa is backed up by direct ahadith, so if you refuse to accept, then you tacitly admit you prefer to follow your own desires over the shariah.