[Heliosprime]

http://www.rohama.org/en/news/7912/o...-in-california

"they plot, but Allah (also) plotteth; and Allah is the best of plotters."(Al-Anfal-30)

[VYholden]

brother.

Another reminder that not everybody thinks in terms of 'fear' and, by the Grace of Allah (SWT), there are many non-Muslims who also support us.

[rsdefwgxvcfdts]

One million US women to wear hijab for Iraqi woman killed in California
Jean Younis won’t be wearing an Easter bonnet at church this Sunday. Instead, the office manager at Bonita Valley Adventist Church in National City, Calif., will don an Islamic headscarf to support the family and friends of Shaima Alawadi, the Iraqi immigrant and mother of five who died March 24, three days after being beaten in her home in El Cajon, Calif.

"I do expect a reaction, but that's the point. It needs to be discussed," said Younis, 59, who predicted that most church members would be supportive or respectfully inquisitive.

She is one of many non-Muslim women to post photos of themselves wearing a headscarf on "One Million Hijabs for Shaima Alawadi," a recently created Facebook Page that had nearly 10,000 likes on Monday (April 2) and hundreds of photos. Others posting on the page have identified themselves as Catholics, Quakers, Mennonites, Jews, Pagans, and atheists.

Alawadi, 32, fled Iraq in 1993 and settled in Dearborn, Mich., before she moved to California where she and her husband worked for the U.S. military, providing cultural training.

Supporters worry that because of anti-Muslim sentiment in the U.S., Alawadi's murder, which many believe was hate crime, would be overlooked. Alawadi's killer has not been caught.

"I am a devout Christian and will be wearing hijab as a prayer in April," wrote Karen Streeter of Pasadena, Calif., next to her photo of herself in a hijab. "Growing up, I was bullied because I was different from others, so I have had a taste of what it is like to be harassed because of how you look."

"It's really sad also that some people will look at you mean just because you're wearing one," said Judith Castro, another Facebook poster, describing her experiences wearing a hijab in a 6-minute YouTube video.

Lauralyn Welland Taylor, a Detroit school teacher, wore her hijab for six days, and wrote about it on her Facebook page. "Wearing the hijab promotes conversation unlike anything else. Each day I have had meaningful conversations with individuals whom I have frequent contact, but often little dialogue," Taylor wrote.

The hijab has been seen as a mark of modesty, oppression, religious identity, and controversy -- and now it is becoming a universal symbol of solidarity, much as the hoodie has become a sign of support for Trayvon Martin, the unarmed Florida teenager killed by a neighborhood security guard.

There have also been "hijab and hoodie" rallies at several U.S. universities, including the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, North Carolina State University, the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor, and University of California at Irvine.

"They were both killed because of the way they looked," Younis said of Alawadi and Martin, "and that is so wrong."

this is great MashaAllah, pray that a big number do it because it is very good for us in terms of public relations

[johnlohanmclee]

MashAllah! Finally some coming together, some humanity, May Allah bless everyone involved and grant the sister who died Paradise.

Allah does not forbid you, with regard to those who do not fight you for your Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loves those who are just (Quran 60:8).

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But here's the real deal. If a non-muslim had died unjustly on the hands of a muslim, and some muslims attempted to show solidarity, a section of the Muslim world would brand him as a stooge of the kuffar using the name of Quran and sunnah and infact brand him as a nonmuslim for supporting the nonmuslim against that muslim.

[johnlohanmclee]

But here's the real deal. If a non-muslim had died unjustly on the hands of a muslim, and some muslims attempted to show solidarity, a section of the Muslim world would brand him as a stooge of the kuffar using the name of Quran and sunnah and infact brand him as a nonmuslim for supporting the nonmuslim against that muslim.

This seems to be the problem with a lot of Muslims. It is clear by the Quran and Sunnah that we HAVE TO act Justly whatever the case may be (even if it is your own daughter, evidence in Hadith) and whoever it is (Muslim or non-Muslim, as evident in the Quran). Muslims are supposed to be just and this means fighting against ALL evil and oppression.

Muhammad (pbuh) stated "help your brother if he is being oppressed or is oppressing others" The companions asked "How should we help him if he is oppressing others" Muhammad (pbuh) replied "by stopping him". We have to stop ALL evil and oppression and help the oppressed, if is the cat next door, the old frail women across the street, the hooded bandit, the Muslim and the Non Muslim.

Look how Muhammad (pbuh) helped animals, how he praised the prostitute for helping the thirsty dog. Muhammad (pbuh) praised the Negus king in Abyssinia for helping and protecting the Muslims.

Muhammad (pbuh) said "When you conquer Egypt, do not harm the Christians or destroy their churches"

We were never commanded to accuse, kill, spy, torture non-Muslims because they are non-Muslims. We were commanded to stand up for right always (Jihad for the Sake of Allah). We were commanded to even help animals.

May Allah install mercy in the heart of all the Muslims.


“Indeed, in this [Quran] is notification for a worshipping people. And We have not sent you, [O Muhammad], except as a mercy to the worlds.” (Quran: 21:106-107)

In Makkah, his people inflicted him with every kind of suffering, eventually forcing him to emigrate to Madinah, and then waged war on him for five years. However, when he conquered Makkah without bloodshed in the twenty-first year of his Prophethood, he asked the Makkan unbelievers who were awaiting his decision about them: “How do you expect me to treat you?” They responded unanimously: "You are a noble one, the son of a noble one." He announced to them his decision:

“You may go free! No reproach this day shall be on you; may God forgive you.”

MUSLIMS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE KINDEST, MOST MERCIFUL, GENTLE AND SOFT TO THE OPPRESSED, POOR, PEOPLE WHO CAUSE NO HARM.
MUSLIMS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE STRONGEST, FEARLESS, COURAGES AND BEST FIGHTERS AGAINST OPPRESSION AND ANY EVIL.

Just look at Umar ibn Al Khattab (ra) and what he said "I will not calm down until I will put one cheek of a tyrant on the ground and the other under my feet, and for the poor and weak, I will put my cheek on the ground."

I leave with this saying by Umar (ra):
“Islam will be destroyed by the mistakes of scholars, the arguments of the hypocrites who misinterpret the Qur’an to support their views and misleading rulers.”

[rsdefwgxvcfdts]

But here's the real deal. If a non-muslim had died unjustly on the hands of a muslim, and some muslims attempted to show solidarity, a section of the Muslim world would brand him as a stooge of the kuffar using the name of Quran and sunnah and infact brand him as a nonmuslim for supporting the nonmuslim against that muslim.

yes this is true but sometimes the Muslims who live in some places can feel so much under attack in their daily lives by the non-Muslims that such a reaction is understandable.

Likewise Muslims should also speak out against those who are harming us from within.

for example in the past eleven years in the UK the dubious group that used to be called al-Muhajiroun has done immense damage to the position of Muslims in the UK with their stupid antics - it is they who have provided nearly every UK Islamophobe with a great deal of the wrong ideas they have about Islam and charged them up with hate against the Muslims.

when they had a birthday celebration for September the 11th in Derby and have had similar celebrations in regards other terrorist events etc - the non-Muslim Media has picked these things up and made the stupid people of the country think that the Muslims of the UK are really just a bunch or potential murderers - then they have done us a great deal of damage.

if the UK Muslims really understood what harm these idiots are doing to our position and security in this country then they would organize themselves against them and protest against their deliberately controversial and publicity seeking protests (which are nearly always serving the interests of the enemies of Islam).

Muslims in the UK have often had the sense to organise themselves against EDL racists who have threatened their masjids - those same Muslims should realize that the Anjem Choudry group threatens our position in the UK by causing the kuffar to hate us just as much as the EDL threatens us.

In fact if you look into what the EDL idiots are saying - nearly they know about Muslims comes from negative anti-Islamic tabloid headlines and headers - many of these were inspired by the Anjem Choudry group.

[km2000]

I really hope that it does not turn out that the family was involved in the murder, as some of the reports are starting to suggest.

[hhynmtrxcp]

But here's the real deal. If a non-muslim had died unjustly on the hands of a muslim, and some muslims attempted to show solidarity, a section of the Muslim world would brand him as a stooge of the kuffar using the name of Quran and sunnah and infact brand him as a nonmuslim for supporting the nonmuslim against that muslim.

is that section a majority or a minority?also are they from the same geographic location or another?
you make a very big generalization. and that too on a thread where people are sympathetic towards the muslim sister unjustly killed. it is precisely this attitude of modernists (im not calling you one) who use this very stance everywhere. an example:
" so what if the Qur'an was burnt?Muslims in pakistan burnt the Bible didnt they?"
now compare this to:
"what if she was killed?it is sad but what about all the ahmedis killed at the hands of muslim zealots?why dont they come out to show solidarity with them?this basically shows how educated modern people understand religion better than these bloody mullahs. proof: we stand for the rights for ahmedis. you dont"

from the surface this is a very good argument. but what it basically does is that it bases Islam on the action of a few people. i.e just because a muslim did this and a section (they never state how big is that section) does not condemn it then they think it is legislated in Islam to unjustly kill a non-muslim and then if anybody stands up against this he should be labelled stooges of kuffar.
what a ridiculous analogy.
when this happens these people immediately turn to their 'reference': the western values (in contrast to how bro. Kuffs referred to Qur'an and sunnah) to see what is the right action. naturally this draws them further from Islam.

so im sorry but your statement is very general and implicates more people than it should. many many uneducated modern people would not understand this statement and would do exactly as i said in above para. if it is possible give a link of an incident where this act happened and we can all condemn it not sweeping statements such as your last post. it gives Islam a bad name.

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is that section a majority or a minority?also are they from the same geographic location or another?
you make a very big generalization. and that too on a thread where people are sympathetic towards the muslim sister unjustly killed. it is precisely this attitude of modernists (im not calling you one) who use this very stance everywhere. an example:
" so what if the Qur'an was burnt?Muslims in pakistan burnt the Bible didnt they?"
now compare this to:
"what if she was killed?it is sad but what about all the ahmedis killed at the hands of muslim zealots?why dont they come out to show solidarity with them?this basically shows how educated modern people understand religion better than these bloody mullahs. proof: we stand for the rights for ahmedis. you dont"

Doesn't matter. Modernists use it because the authoritative ones have abondoned it. The weakest level of imaan is the disgust in the heart and many of the Muslims are in this level which shows their level of imaan is at the weakest level. As for those who just flip through such issues without any remorse, then the emptiness of their level of imaan only God's knows.

If a muslim requires non-muslim sympathy yet at the same time the muslim is not willing to show sympathy when a non-Muslim is unjustly killed, then the muslim in question should be ashamed of himself and stop looking for non-muslim sympathy.



from the surface this is a very good argument. but what it basically does is that it bases Islam on the action of a few people. i.e just because a muslim did this and a section (they never state how big is that section) does not condemn it then they think it is legislated in Islam to unjustly kill a non-muslim and then if anybody stands up against this he should be labelled stooges of kuffar.
what a ridiculous analogy. Not a analogy. Its a ground reality.

when this happens these people immediately turn to their 'reference': the western values (in contrast to how bro. Kuffs referred to Qur'an and sunnah) to see what is the right action. naturally this draws them further from Islam.

so im sorry but your statement is very general and implicates more people than it should. many many uneducated modern people would not understand this statement and would do exactly as i said in above para. if it is possible give a link of an incident where this act happened and we can all condemn it not sweeping statements such as your last post. it gives Islam a bad name. And this is one of the reasons people have abondoned speaking out against just cause. Reactionery colonised minds. So just because speaking out for justice is also a principle held high in western values, self labelled defenders of islam quickly react against it as though its a foreign concept being imported into Islam, or show some other kind of fear and probably even shamefulness to admit wrong. I don't know where this notion of treating kuffar values to such level of obsessiveness come from. Its obviously a fear though. And this fear is a result of lack of self confidence upon his own values. Perhaps the abdonment of the rational theological tradition by certain protestant reformist movements have something to contribute to the fear.

[Catalogov]

In fact if you look into what the EDL idiots are saying - nearly they know about Muslims comes from negative anti-Islamic tabloid headlines and headers - many of these were inspired by the Anjem Choudry group.

You are right, I think Anjem Choudry and his group are propped up by the state and its intelligence services...they are designed to create conflict so that other groups can be created to oppose them...like the EDL as you mention. I think the societies we live in, are ruled by some influential people who scheme and need divisions and conflicts to keep the society functioning as they want...otherwise people may live in harmony and displace the rulers from their positions of influence, power and wealth.

Muslims should not fight against the EDL...that is just playing into their agenda...the youth should stay at home and let the police deal with them. If Muslim youth go out, they should help the aged, the poor, clean up derelict land and make it look good. I doubt if they would do this, Muslim youth like to be like gangsta.

[hhynmtrxcp]

Doesn't matter. Modernists use it because the authoritative ones have abondoned it. The weakest level of imaan is the disgust in the heart and many of the Muslims are in this level which shows their level of imaan is at the weakest level. As for those who just flip through such issues without any remorse, then the emptiness of their level of imaan only God's knows.

you have not answered my initial question i notice. it was written in first line of my last post. kindly post the relevant material as asked.

If a muslim requires non-muslim sympathy yet at the same time the muslim is not willing to show sympathy when a non-Muslim is unjustly killed, then the muslim in question should be ashamed of himself and stop looking for non-muslim sympathy.

correct. why does this have to be mentioned in this particular thread?you have also not answered that.

Not a analogy. Its a ground reality.

either way it is incorrect.what is your alternative to these modernists?where in your post have you stated that they must turn to the scholars?anyone might be reading this thread.

And this is one of the reasons people have abondoned speaking out against just cause. Reactionery colonised minds. So just because speaking out for justice is also a principle held high in western values, self labelled defenders of islam quickly react against it as though its a foreign concept being imported into Islam, or show some other kind of fear and probably even shamefulness to admit wrong. I don't know where this notion of treating kuffar values to such level of obsessiveness come from. Its obviously a fear though. And this fear is a result of lack of self confidence upon his own values. Perhaps the abdonment of the rational theological tradition by certain protestant reformist movements have something to contribute to the fear.

you are diverting from the issue. what is in islam is legislated by shariah. doesnt matter if the kuffar do it or not. you are generalizing a lot. as though the entire ummah is under-confident, backward and you know better.

now answer my original question then we will talk.

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Do you really what me to bring up all the stories of Muslims treating non-muslims unjustly and the Islamic conscience remaining mum to it or covering it up with conspiracy theories ?

[hhynmtrxcp]

Do you really what me to bring up all the stories of Muslims treating non-muslims unjustly and the Islamic conscience remaining mum too it or covering it up with conspiracy theories ?

yes. even a few would do.
then we will look at them with proper context and see what was the correct shar'i response and what was exactly wrong about the response of Muslims. we will also look into the reasons of such incidents happening and see whether the reasons portrayed in media were accurate to which extent.

as i said, your remark gave Islam a bad name. it is time to defend our ummah from slander and correct them where the accusations are true.

[ggdfgtdfffhfyj]

yes. even a few would do.
then we will look at them with proper context and see what was the correct shar'i response and what was exactly wrong about the response of Muslims. we will also look into the reasons of such incidents happening and see whether the reasons portrayed in media were accurate to which extent.

as i said, your remark gave Islam a bad name. it is time to defend our ummah from slander and correct them where the accusations are true.

And that's the obvious divertionery response expected. That's why I dont see the need to go into details. The analysis you up come with is no different to the analysis the open enemys of islam comes up with to explain away why so and so Muslim was killed. In the end of the day, if the fear of modernists has led you to other end of bigotry, then the action in anycase has come to waste.

[Catalogov]

Muslims are not a collective group, you are saying all 1 billion or so Muslims remain silent?

Do you really what me to bring up all the stories of Muslims treating non-muslims unjustly and the Islamic conscience remaining mum to it or covering it up with conspiracy theories ?

[mobbemeatiedy]

Hope many of them rediscover the state of fitrah when they were born through donning the hijab.

[hhynmtrxcp]

And that's the obvious divertionery response expected. That's why I dont see the need to go into details. The analysis you up come with is no different to the analysis the open enemys of islam comes up with to explain away why so and so Muslim was killed. In the end of the day, if the fear of modernists has led you to other end of bigotry, then the action in anycase has come to waste.

i notice you have not quoted any example. i am not trying to divert anything. i asked you to quote an example then we would study it to see what should have been the proper reaction and also if there was anything beneath the surface. that is all. either you took it personally for which i apologize, or you have nothing to bring forward.


so open enemies of Islam take out time to portray media as biased?really now.
and they take out time to study actual Islam to explain how the Muslims went wrong?yes?

you insulted general muslims without proof or knowledge in a thread sympathetic to a deceased sister who was victim of zulm and i am bigoted?isnt that what modernists do?people are condemning the burning of Qur'an and they bring up burning of Bible?did they just remember that?couldnt they have stated so at any other time?it basically exposes their lack of sympathy towards Muslims. however i believe that is not the case with you.

and no actually i do not fear modernists. what is to be feared from ignorance?(lest one pay heed to them naudhubillah) you have made a third incorrect assumption i notice.

still waiting though for you to bring about anything.

[hhynmtrxcp]

Muslims are not a collective group, you are saying all 1 billion or so Muslims remain silent?

let him bring the evidence of what he says.