[klnbgqr]

Hello,

When reading behind the Imaam and on your own,
Do we have to say Audu billah himinish shaytan nirajeem .. and Bismillah hir rahman nirahim?

[Clolmemaexata]

Asalamu Alaikum,

We recite Ta'wwuz "Audu billah..rajeem" & Tasmiya "Bismillah hir...raheem" when we pray on our own and we do not recite them when praying behind an imam.

Refer fatwa: http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.p...9928424d6242a6

Wassalamu Alaikum

[klnbgqr]

When you read the 3 witr not 1 by itself ?? Is that the hanafi way?

Also in 3 witr when we do the takbir again and read Dua Qunoot. Can we say audhu billah mina ' sh-shaytani 'r-rajeem and bismillah...., at the start?

[Dreqsqse]

[QUOTE=Rucy;744820]Hello,

When reading behind the Imaam and on your own,
Do we have to say Audu billah himinish shaytan nirajeem .. and Bismillah hir rahman nirahim?[/QUO
TE]

I was taught when praying behind an imam not to say anything

[klnbgqr]

Can you answer this : When you read the 3 witr not 1 by itself ?? Is that the hanafi way?

Also in 3 witr when we do the takbir again and read Dua Qunoot. Can we say audhu billah mina ' sh-shaytani 'r-rajeem and bismillah...., at the start?

[klnbgqr]

[QUOTE=muslima1234;747960]

Hello,

When reading behind the Imaam and on your own,
Do we have to say Audu billah himinish shaytan nirajeem .. and Bismillah hir rahman nirahim?[/QUO
TE]

I was taught when praying behind an imam not to say anything

yes but you have to recite the sana durood sharif when doing the ruku subhan rabiyal azeem etc

[Dreqsqse]

I am not the person to ask. I dont pray witr because i still dont have the kunut duas memorized yet. I cannot seem to get the hang of them.

[Dreqsqse]

[QUOTE=Rucy;747966]

yes but you have to recite the sana durood sharif when doing the ruku subhan rabiyal azeem etc

that i knew. I just meant that i dont recite surahs behind an imam

[prpaims]

I am not the person to ask. I dont pray witr because i still dont have the kunut duas memorized yet. I cannot seem to get the hang of them.

it does not have to be the Qunut that is recited, but any du'a will do such as 'rabbana athina' etc, so you can do the witr as long as you know any dua; you should do the witr Sister for it is wajib thus missing it will be sinful

[Dreqsqse]

Thanks for the information. I wasn't doing witr because I cannot memorize the dua but now that you told me that I can do another dua I will start to do it insallah.

[prpaims]

Thanks for the information. I wasn't doing witr because I cannot memorize the dua but now that you told me that I can do another dua I will start to do it insallah.

MashAllah!; thats the spirit!

[Drugmachine]

Thanks for the information. I wasn't doing witr because I cannot memorize the dua but now that you told me that I can do another dua I will start to do it insallah.

sister,

initially I was also avoiding as I dont know the Dua. I started with 'Rabbana Athina.... ', later I learnt the Dua.
pls dont avoid Witr. At the same time, try to memorize the dua 1 line a day it would be easy.

[Dreqsqse]

I will replace the kunut dua with something else while I am learning it. It isn't that easy for me to learn since Arabic is completely foreign to me. I am doing my best. There are certain lines that I cannot grasp in my mind.

[VYholden]

If you don't know Du'aa Qunoot, You can also say "Allahumaghfirlee" 3 times or "yaa rabbi" 3 times.

[edit: the translation of "Allahumaghfirlee" is roughly: "o Allah! Forgive me."]

[klnbgqr]

I will replace the kunut dua with something else while I am learning it. It isn't that easy for me to learn since Arabic is completely foreign to me. I am doing my best. There are certain lines that I cannot grasp in my mind.

Inshallha

[Dreqsqse]

Not all of you needed to tell me to pray it immediately. I am not a child and I understood the message first time. Also please understand I do have enough knowledge to know that fard and wajib are not the same thing so witr is not required but is strongly reccomended. The fact that I have NOT been praying witr up until now is NOT as sin as all of you are saying because I didnt know. Stop using fard and wajib bascially interchangably because they are not the same thing, if something is wajib then it is not completely fard. Bascially fard doesnt mean completely fard so it isnt absolutely obligatory.

I don't feel ready to pray witr at the moment so I have decided to wait awhile and only work on fard. I would rather do something correctly and if I start doing it incorrectly then I will get in to bad habits that are a pain to correct. Please understand what I am saying and don't try to change my mind. I know myself and my situation, you people don't/ Sometimes i feel this religion is too much for me to handle and the fact people keep throwing things at me is so overwhelming that it makes me want to give up practicing this religion completely. So please don't tell me I need to do things I am not ready to do and please dont try to make me feel guilty for not doing them. Right now I am going to do fard and fard only, not wajib, not basically fard, not sort of fard, not sunnah, just FARD.

Great I have to make up missed witr salats now? You have got to be joking. I am not making up missed witrs because I am not ready to even pray witr and so I am not making up over a year and half of missed witrs. I havent even started to do witr because I am not ready so I have not missed any witrs. I am sorry that is too much. This just overwhlems me even more and even now I am questioning why I am doing this? Do you actually belive Allah wants me to get overwhelmed and do things before I am not ready? Do you think Allah wants me to get even more stressed and start making up prayers that I missed because I didnt know they are completely required and that I am not ready for?

I will start making up missed witrs once I start praying witr (which due to my prepardness and comfort level wont be for QUITE A WHILE) and then I will ONLY make up any prayers that I miss from the day I actually start. So you cannot tell me I have to make up missed prayers for a special prayer I havent started and thus I havent missed. This is too much.


Sorry if I sounded rude, I am just feeling too overwhelmed at the moment.

sister,

May Allah reward you for your effort to learn the deen. Ameen.

Sister, as others said, please stop that immediately (i.e. please START praying witr IMMEDIATELY). Witr is wajib ('basically' fard, obligatory), and saying "I am not praying witr because I don't have dua-e-qunut memorized yet" is like saying "I'm not making salat 5 times a day because I don't have _____ (whatever) memorized"... It doesn't matter, salat still has to be made. I know a couple of brothers who are in the process of learning salat and they mainly recite "La iLLaha iLLAllah, Muhammadur Rasulullah" through their salat and go through all the movements, and once they learn a portion they replace it with what you're supposed to recite. Now of course many may say "well you're not supposed to just recite the first kalima in salat", and yes, they would be right... but Allah knows best and in my very, very limited knowledge and understanding, I would guess Insha'Allah their salat is being accepted and they're probably getting more reward than those who know how to make salat fully, because they're putting extra effort into learning it and doing their best to still make salat as they learn. Allah knows best.

I am not a scholar and Insha'Allah someone of knowledge will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you will have to make up the witr salats that you missed since salat became fard on you (either since you became Muslim or for those who became Muslim at a really young age or were born Muslim, I believe salat is fard from the age of puberty, but again that's not my area of expertise so Insha'Allah someone who knows will chime in), otherwise it is like "abandoning" any other salat. I know your intention was not to abandon it, not even close to it, I know you love salat, but Insha'Allah I would suggest you start making up your missed witr salats. Just estimate how many you missed based on the time period (roughly 365 per year) and then start making them up. Though you can pray qada (make-up) at any time, the easier way for many people is to, along with the daily witr salat, just pray a "qada" (make-up) witr (either before or after the one for that day) until, in your best estimation, they are all made-up. You can also do more than one and keep some type of written chart/tally to help you remember how many you've prayed and how many are left (though it's not advised to "rush through" them by reciting very quickly as it is salat and you're in front of Allah ... qada or not). Again Insha'Allah the knowledgeable will correct me if I've said anything wrong here. This way, just by taking a few extra minutes daily, Insha'Allah you will eventually be caught up.

As far as dua-e-qunut, many of us have been there (not having it memorized). I know a lot of kids in Pakistan are told to "just recite surah Iklaas 3 times instead" and they grow up like that and many never even get to memorize the dua even though they're grown adults (lol). I'm not going to say if I was one of those or not! In any case, a few years ago I found out that you can recite any dua instead of dua-e-qunut. Dua-e-qunut is of course the ideal dua to recite in that place during Salat-ul-Witr, so we should strive to memorize this dua. However, in the meantime, any dua will Insha'Allah be fine. If one doesn't know any dua at all by heart, then Insha'Allah it's time they at least memorize some of the shorter duas (such as "rabbana atinafee addunya hasanatan wafee al-akhiratihasanatan waqina AAathaba annar" http://quran.com/2/201 [it is not the whole ayat but rather it starts after the first 3-4 words). Here's an audio of this dua to help anyone memorize it: http://youtu.be/Mgiz_09pOnE.

Insha'Allah the following video will be helpful in memorizing dua-e-qunoot. I used this video some time ago (along with written in Arabic) to memorize dua-e-qunoot Alhamdulillah.

http://youtu.be/wqLcTT31qRQ

Just play a small portion and repeat it, then play it again and repeat after it again, and continue doing that until you have it down pat, then do that with the whole video. Once you get past the beginning, if you pause the video and right click on the video and select "copy video URL at current time", paste that into your browser and hit enter, that plays the video from that point forward so you don't have to continuously drag the player bar back and forth to get it to play from where you're at. Then start reciting it in your witr (that's the best practice) and if you get stuck, that's OK, just stay calm and try to remember, if for some reason it completely slips out of your head (happens), then recite the other dua (like rabbana aatina...) and finish your witr salat. Afterwards, just quickly review again to see where you got stuck and what it was supposed to be. Insha'Allah fairly soon it will become solidified in your head and you will be able to recite it fluently.

Forgive me if I said anything wrong and may Allah forgive me if I said anything wrong. Allah knows best.

Please remember in your duas.

[grinaJanoDant]

Not all of you needed to tell me to pray it immediately. I am not a child and I understood the message first time. Also please understand I do have enough knowledge to know that fard and wajib are not the same thing so witr is not required but is strongly reccomended. The fact that I have NOT been praying witr up until now is NOT as sin as all of you are saying because I didnt know. Stop using fard and wajib bascially interchangably because they are not the same thing, if something is wajib then it is not completely fard. Bascially fard doesnt mean completely fard so it isnt absolutely obligatory.

I don't feel ready to pray witr at the moment so I have decided to wait awhile and only work on fard. I would rather do something correctly and if I start doing it incorrectly then I will get in to bad habits that are a pain to correct. Please understand what I am saying and don't try to change my mind. I know myself and my situation, you people don't/ Sometimes i feel this religion is too much for me to handle and the fact people keep throwing things at me is so overwhelming that it makes me want to give up practicing this religion completely. So please don't tell me I need to do things I am not ready to do and please dont try to make me feel guilty for not doing them. Right now I am going to do fard and fard only, not wajib, not basically fard, not sort of fard, not sunnah, just FARD.

Great I have to make up missed witr salats now? You have got to be joking. I am not making up missed witrs because I am not ready to even pray witr and so I am not making up over a year and half of missed witrs. I havent even started to do witr because I am not ready so I have not missed any witrs. I am sorry that is too much. This just overwhlems me even more and even now I am questioning why I am doing this? Do you actually belive Allah wants me to get overwhelmed and do things before I am not ready? Do you think Allah wants me to get even more stressed and start making up prayers that I missed because I didnt know they are completely required and that I am not ready for?

I will start making up missed witrs once I start praying witr (which due to my prepardness and comfort level wont be for QUITE A WHILE) and then I will ONLY make up any prayers that I miss from the day I actually start. So you cannot tell me I have to make up missed prayers for a special prayer I havent started and thus I havent missed. This is too much.


Sorry if I sounded rude, I am just feeling too overwhelmed at the moment.

sister,

I am extremely sorry if I offended you. I have deleted my post and you may also edit your post to delete my quoted post if you like.

You are right in saying that we Muslims (mainly the "born" Muslims) do make religion complicated, when it is really not.

I didn't mean to "tell" you what to do. My sincere apologies. Please do forgive me and ask Allah to forgive me as well.

[Dreqsqse]

sister,

I am extremely sorry if I offended you. I have deleted my post and you may also edit your post to delete my quoted post if you like.

You are right in saying that we Muslims (mainly the "born" Muslims) do make religion complicated, when it is really not.

I didn't mean to "tell" you what to do. My sincere apologies. Please do forgive me and ask Allah to forgive me as well.

I forgive you. I asked several Muslims I know and they are all of the opinion witr isnt completely fard. According to them I don't need to make up any missed wajibs and kaza is only valid for fard prayers. What makes the religion complecated is when people keep throwing things at me and they just use all these arabic terms to explain things. I need to take things slowly, when people give you so much at once it is really overwhelming, if that makes any sense. I don't speak Arabic so throwing in a bunch of terms is just really confusing.