[gymnAnemoe]

Salam Alaykum, I would almost agree with you there until it dawned on me - the 'lamadhabist' will invite Kuffar onto the holy lands that our prophet (saw) once walked and those Kuffar will be given carte blanche to go ahead with shock and awe bombing campaigns. Not just the Shia, but everyone who is in their way and does not get inline with their interests (many Sunni's). Having said that, noone, not even misguided Shia deserves such an appalling fate, we sometimes forget our humanity. May Allah bring them back to Sirat Mustaqim from the darkness and corruption they walk on.

Inviting Kuffar to fight with you and allowing them to slaughter other Muslims - where did the Salaf Saliheen ever do this ?

Have the so-called Neo-Salaf taken this from the period Yazid was Amir ? He had legions of Christians and other denominations in his army that were used to crush Muslims (Sahabah and their Children) in Madinah and other places. Is that the evidence from the Salaf they use to justify inviting Kuffar into Saudi and the surrounding countries ?

Allahu A'alam

May Allah have mercy on us and may he guide those brothers back to Sirat Mustaqim or destroy them.

Although I am of the opinion of la'n of yazid, why are all your posts centered around defending Shi'ah? You began with defending Iran's double standards and now you have moved to theology. . .

[AromeWahmaron]

With all due respect, you cannot possibly think that;
1) The isolated opinion of Bin Baaz in a singular incident in which he was misinformed as to the intentions of the American army (remember, he was blind, if King Fahd and his cohorts in deception wanted to fool him, it was as easy as telling him certain things) can be projected forwards onto every 'La Madhabist'
2) Because of this they are all evil and their Imam is Yazeed bin Mu'awiyah.

I can see why he was misled, my target here was the ruling family who hold power - I apologise if it offended some on here and I should have been more specific. I must have been heated when I wrote.

No, their Imam was not Yazid Ibn Muawiyyah - I was being Ironic (obviously did not work), if they follow the Salaf, the decision makers overthere can surely point to historical precident from the Salaf Saliheen.

Allahu A'lam

[AromeWahmaron]

I'm very wary of posts that attack Yazeed because it is possible that they over exaggerate or outright fabricate things against him.

you made a claim in this post. defend it with some hard evidence from a traditional source that is acceptable across the board, or you should remove that claim. One should be very wary of making claims if there's a possibility of it not being true.

You are write to ask, we should know where this is from. I read it a few years ago when researching the matter of civil wars in Islam, I do not have the refence to hand but will check and definately post it here when I find it IA.

Just to let you know, I consider Muawaiyyah (Ra), Marwan, Abdul-Malik Ibn Marwan and Umar Ibn AbduL-Aziz the great rulers from the Umayyad period. If your surprised at why I have put Marwan amongst them, there is a real possibility according to some scholars, he was born in the era of Prophethood and was present as a very young child at the time of the Prophets farewell sermon in Makkah - which, if accurate, would make him one of the children amongst the Ashab (Ra).

Edit: The reference is not from a classical, reputable Islmaic historian, it was a Muslim orientalist without clear reference. I take your brother and will remove that reference from the above. Definately will be more careful in the future - Jazakallahu-Khairan

Allahu A'lam

[AromeWahmaron]

Although I am of the opinion of la'n of yazid, why are all your posts centered around defending Shi'ah? You began with defending Iran's double standards and now you have moved to theology. . .

Brother, all my posts are not around defending Shia. I simply feel appalled that, given these people are so far from true Islam (Haq), continuous tension, name calling and blaming them for all the ills of the Islamic world serve to deflect away from the more chronic problems we Sunni's have at home and actually do nothing to try and bring these people to a point where they will even consider the 'other'. The 'other' in this case being Sunni Islam - just Islam as it was in the period of the Salaf. Sorry if I come across that way (defending Shia) because that is not my intention. My intention is to remind myself and all of the common humanity Allah has made us part of, I will defend human values - never corrupt ideology of Shia. What I have defended regards Iran on other boards is their right to pursue a nuclear energy programme - I do not see what is wrong with this - its a cheap, clean and efficient and sustainable way to produce energy when they do not have the means to extract deep oil reserves in their own land and international companies are blackmailed by the Americans into calling-off the necessary investment in the Iranian oil industry - forcing them between a rock and a hard place for future energy supplies - and making it more likely they will turn to drastic measures.

I will not apologize for making dua for their hidayat, just as I will not for the Hidayat of those amongst Sunni's who have gone very far, far away from the scholars of knowledge. Noone is beyond redemption until dead, so we should keep praying brother. I will pray Allah give Hidayat to certain rulers and ruling families of the muslim world or destroy them - because the damage they will lead us to will be far worse than any individual or group will do - just look at the last 50 years of the Arab and wider Islamic world to see what gutter we have been relegated to - not simply because of Kuffar and their designs against us - but because of the yes-men amongst us who act to appease them year after year after year. Just look at Pakistan in recent years as an example and its last few leaders - Need I say more. Anyway, most importantly, may Allah keep us upon the path of Haq.

Allahu A'lam

[espabamar]

brother Nomadic I see the ban did you no good. You still have the same mouth? How is your search for a sufi shaykh?

Hadrat, why don't you make him bay'ah with your good self?

[Britiobby]

There is joke amoung the yamin there is no slim salafi..
Because they get take care of by the saudis where they don't have to work for living and their long unwarranted rakah of salat with well finance centre speaks for the dual islam they claim to follow.
I dislike the la madhabist and would prefer my daughter to stay unmarried then marry her to these neo fascist relegious scum. Ofcourse she may decided to marry and be victim of their mentle torture!!
Why can't the likes of EDL and la madhabist live in a different planet.

It'll be easier if you go and live on another planet. If it wasn't for the la madhabist then all those grave worshippers would have a field day at the two harams.