[Sopsneork]

Salaamu alaiykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuhu
I've seen many posts that debate about fiqh issues and which one is more closer towards the sunnah even though both are. Let us now talk about a more pressing and serious issue, which is of 'aqeedah. There are two main ones here: 'ashari and athari. 'Ashari claim that Allah is everywhere whereas athari claim that Allah is above his throne SWT. Atharis say that 'asharis are committing a MAJOR sin (possibly shirk) by saying Allah is present everywhere, even within his creation. So clearly this is a difference which is more pressing as people within sunni believe in different ones!!! So...where is Allah?
This discussion should be mature, open minded and accepting for the sake of Allah. I don't want this to turn into a means of fighting or argument for this is not befitting of believers.

[herbalviagra]

http://www.daruliftaa.com/question?t...nid=q-23200832

[Sopsneork]

http://www.daruliftaa.com/question?t...nid=q-23200832

Akhi, I could also give you something by a scholar which supports athari claim: http://qsep.com/modules.php?name=ilm...rticle&sid=642
Oh yes. And another thing is about the attributes of Allah. People say that Allah describes himself in the Quran as having hands etc. People have different meanings of this and each difference is considered as a major sin (possibly kufr) by the other group.

[Qeiafib]

Salaamu alaiykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuhu
I've seen many posts that debate about fiqh issues and which one is more closer towards the sunnah even though both are. Let us now talk about a more pressing and serious issue, which is of 'aqeedah. There are two main ones here: 'ashari and athari. 'Ashari claim that Allah is everywhere whereas athari claim that Allah is above his throne SWT. Atharis say that 'asharis are committing a MAJOR sin (possibly shirk) by saying Allah is present everywhere, even within his creation. So clearly this is a difference which is more pressing as people within sunni believe in different ones!!! So...where is Allah?
This discussion should be mature, open minded and accepting for the sake of Allah. I don't want this to turn into a means of fighting or argument for this is not befitting of believers.

Asharis don't say that.

[Sopsneork]

Asharis don't say that.

Okay, but I know a lot of muslims which do. Unless they believe that Allah is above His throne?

[Madjostok]

i have heard this salafi claim too many times now that asharis and maturidis believe Allah is everywhere...when you go to their sources they say that saying Allah is everywhere is wrong unless its in knowledge

dont know why people insist on spreading things which are not true and then however much the salafi kids call others blind followers...they obviously don't do their own research and parrot what they have heard from others but never bother to check for themselves

[herbalviagra]

Akhi, I could also give you something by a scholar which supports athari claim: http://qsep.com/modules.php?name=ilm...rticle&sid=642
Oh yes. And another thing is about the attributes of Allah. People say that Allah describes himself in the Quran as having hands etc. People have different meanings of this and each difference is considered as a major sin (possibly kufr) by the other group.

At least when studying different things, references should be given. Whoever wrote the above article from that link, is unknown.

[LomodiorCon]

i have heard this salafi claim too many times now that asharis and maturidis believe Allah is everywhere...when you go to their sources they say that saying Allah is everywhere is wrong unless its in knowledge

dont know why people insist on spreading things which are not true and then however much the salafi kids call others blind followers...they obviously don't do their own research and parrot what they have heard from others but never bother to check for themselves

Oh sister, question by op in itself heart wrenching for me, what kind of slave of Allah we are? How could we discuss the jat and wajood of Allah I am fear from Allah. May Allah forgive us all aamin.



Edit: I address you sister because m dont want to argue with opposite gender. Hope you dont mind.

[highattainlet]

Salam 'ALeykum,

I say the sin all of it is in discussing these matters.

[VipInoLo]

i have heard this salafi claim too many times now that asharis and maturidis believe Allah is everywhere...when you go to their sources they say that saying Allah is everywhere is wrong unless its in knowledge

dont know why people insist on spreading things which are not true and then however much the salafi kids call others blind followers...they obviously don't do their own research and parrot what they have heard from others but never bother to check for themselves

Although a lot of Muslims do say Allah is everywhere, it's not the belief of the Asha'ira...

Rather the belief of the Asha'ira is more like, Allah is neither no where nor some where because where indicates a place and a place is created and Allah can't be inside of his creation nor above the creation because that would indicate that there is something below Allah or it indicates that in relation to Allah there is a place (the creation, earth, etc) that he is outside of, and both are not possible... so Allah is no "Where", while still being.....

"Salafis" aka Hanbalis (The majority of the Hanbali Scholars) believe in the Uloo of Allah being real, and that he is in fact over his throne by his dhaat, Seperate from his creation in a Manner befitting his Majesty.

[VipInoLo]

Oh sister, question by op in itself heart wrenching for me, what kind of slave of Allah we are? How could we discuss the jat and wajood of Allah I am fear from Allah. May Allah forgive us all aamin.



Edit: I address you sister because m dont want to argue with opposite gender. Hope you dont mind.

You're free not to like these discussions, and by him asking I'm sure he doesn't intend to visualize Allahs dhaat, or question the modality (which would be sinful) rather I think he just is seeking knowledge, and wants to know what to believe in exactly, and that is why in almost ever book of Aqeedah since the time of the Salaf they always talk about the Istawa of Allah.

The question itself is permissible to ask, and was asked to the Prophet directly by the believing slave girl, which was reported by Sahih Muslim.

[Qeiafib]

To OP,

This topic has already been discussed on the forum. Please use the search function or google search to find the earlier threads; they should contain all the information you need.

[herbalviagra]

Although a lot of Muslims do say Allah is everywhere, it's not the belief of the Asha'ira...

Rather the belief of the Asha'ira is more like, Allah is neither no where nor some where because where indicates a place and a place is created and Allah can't be inside of his creation nor above the creation because that would indicate that there is something below Allah or it indicates that in relation to Allah there is a place (the creation, earth, etc) that he is outside of, and both are not possible... so Allah is no "Where", while still being.....

I haven't read or heard Ash'aris say Allah is 'no where' but they state that the word direction, (being in time and place) is not to be associated with Allah. They maintain it's a wrong question to begin with.

"Salafis" aka Hanbalis (The majority of the Hanbali Scholars) believe in the Uloo of Allah being real, and that he is in fact over his throne by his dhaat, Seperate from his creation in a Manner befitting his Majesty.

Do Salafi scholars believe Allah's nuzool to be real with His dhat, also? Because that would necessitate being everywhere.