[Buyingtime]

My wife attends a class of women who learn Quran meaning and the lady that teaches them said you can read from Quran the arabic and translation but use a cloth to turn the pages of the Quran if you are in state of period.

Is it permissable to do this because the teacher said instead of women missing lessons they can do this I thought it was not permissable to read Quran in state of impurity for women can someone tell me is this ok? my wife says other women do this and she feels it is not right.

[Sydaycymn]

Assalaamu 'alaykum

From Bahishti Zewar and Birgivi's Manual:

It is not permissible to touch or read the Qur’an during the state of haidh, nor is it permissible to touch any utensil, cloth etc on which only a verse of the Qur’an is written.
It is however permissible to hold the Qur’an with a cloth that is not sewn on to the Qur’an or with a cloth which is not worn. If the cloth or cover is not stitched on to the Qur'an then in this case the Qur'an could be touched and even carried.
It is permissible to read a word from a verse or half a verse which is not equal to the length of any full verse (2-3 words at a time may be read)
and Allah ta'ala knows best

[xochgtlm]

Really, she shouldn't read more than a word at a time. But if she is studying the translation she doesn't really need to read the words out. She can just look into someone else's Quran while the teacher is teaching it.

If she's using a translation of the Quran, she is still not allowed to touch it.

If she's using a tafseer, where the commentary outweighs the verses themself, then it's permissible to touch the parts of the book where the ayahs are not written.

[Buyingtime]

Ok Jazak'Allah khair.

[ZonaPutaX]

Really, she shouldn't read more than a word at a time. But if she is studying the translation she doesn't really need to read the words out. She can just look into someone else's Quran while the teacher is teaching it.

If she's using a translation of the Quran, she is still not allowed to touch it.

If she's using a tafseer, where the commentary outweighs the verses themself, then it's permissible to touch the parts of the book where the ayahs are not written.

so in that case a book in which the words outweigh the quraan ayahs it is permissible to touch?

[bp9QxekG]

Really, she shouldn't read more than a word at a time. But if she is studying the translation she doesn't really need to read the words out. She can just look into someone else's Quran while the teacher is teaching it.

If she's using a translation of the Quran, she is still not allowed to touch it.

If she's using a tafseer, where the commentary outweighs the verses themself, then it's permissible to touch the parts of the book where the ayahs are not written.

Aapa Soupy ,
How do teachers teach Quran during menses?

[c6vkuNRg]

Assalaamu 'alaykum

From Bahishti Zewar and Birgivi's Manual:

It is not permissible to touch or read the Qur’an during the state of haidh, nor is it permissible to touch any utensil, cloth etc on which only a verse of the Qur’an is written.
It is however permissible to hold the Qur’an with a cloth that is not sewn on to the Qur’an or with a cloth which is not worn. If the cloth or cover is not stitched on to the Qur'an then in this case the Qur'an could be touched and even carried.
It is permissible to read a word from a verse or half a verse which is not equal to the length of any full verse (2-3 words at a time may be read)
and Allah ta'ala knows best

Do you have any reference from Quran & Hadiths? As far as I know, she cannot offer salats and do sex with her husband during her menses, everything else is ok.

[Podosinovik]

Do you have any reference from Quran & Hadiths? As far as I know, she cannot offer salats and do sex with her husband during her menses, everything else is ok.

The sources of Islaam are four: Qur'an, Sunna, Ijma' and Qiyas.

The Ijma' of the Sahaba is the reference that you are searching for in this particular matter. The

muhdath is not allowed to touch the Qur'an per Ijma. It is a different thing that there is an

ishara' towards this in the Qur'an in Sura Waqi'a ayah 79 and a hadith in Muwatta' Imam Malik in

which the Prophet(saws) sent a letter to 'Amr bin Hazm saying that none but the pure should

touch the Book. Wasalaam. (to be continued)

[Sydaycymn]

Do you have any reference from Quran & Hadiths? As far as I know, she cannot offer salats and do sex with her husband during her menses, everything else is ok.

assalaamu 'alaykum
unfortunately i do not have enough knowledge to give references from the Qur'an and Hadith...i refer to books such as i have mentioned or consult a mufti knowing that the info is based on the Qur'an and Hadith. The two books i've mentioned are reference books for women's masail...

actually there is a lot more than just "she cannot offer salats and do sex with her husband during her menses" to the rules applicable to a menstruating woman.

[xochgtlm]

Aapa Soupy ,
How do teachers teach Quran during menses?

She can break up the letters a word at a time, although some scholars have said a teacher of the Quran is permitted to break the ayah up into a two words at a time. Mufti Kacholvi sahib (Shaykhul hadeeth of Darul Uloom Dabhel and senior mufti of Darul Ifta wal Irshad, UK) said she should not recite more than one word at a time. (Shaami 1:292)

Therefore, if she can teach her class like this then that’s fine, otherwise if teaching in a maktab then she could maybe swap with a teacher who is teaching a foundation kitab and doesn’t need to recite entire ayahs, just for the duration of her menstruation. If that’s not an option, she could just listen to the students recite and correct their mistakes only and use a recording etc to teach them the next lesson, if need be.

so in that case a book in which the words outweigh the quraan ayahs it is permissible to touch?

Yes, if you have a book of tafseer, like the Ma’ariful Quran for example, and there is commentary in it as well as Quranic verses then she can touch it in during menstruation, as long as she doesn’t touch the parts where the Quranic verses are written. (Imdadul Fatawa 1:192)

Do you have any reference from Quran & Hadiths? As far as I know, she cannot offer salats and do sex with her husband during her menses, everything else is ok.

لَّا يَمَسُّهُ ۥۤ إِلَّا ٱلۡمُطَهَّرُون
(Quran56:79)
As Sis ummitaalib says, there is more too it. Menstruation affects many rulings, approximately 22 are mentioned in Bahrul Raiq. For women, it’s very important that she learns the rulings of menstruation thoroughly, as many of them affect her everyday life and the acceptance of her salah and other ibaadah.

[HRS1H7gO]

My wife attends a class of women who learn Quran meaning and the lady that teaches them said you can read from Quran the arabic and translation but use a cloth to turn the pages of the Quran if you are in state of period.

Is it permissable to do this because the teacher said instead of women missing lessons they can do this I thought it was not permissable to read Quran in state of impurity for women can someone tell me is this ok? my wife says other women do this and she feels it is not right.

http://seekersguidance.org/ans-blog/...path-of-taqwa/

http://forums.shariahprogram.ca/fiqh...ual-cycle.html

[fajerdoksdsaaker]

السلام عليكم ورحمه الله وبركاته

جزاكم الله خيرا

Thank you ..Can I Help any one ??

[LSg44PDu]

Do you have any reference from Quran & Hadiths? As far as I know, she cannot offer salats and do sex with her husband during her menses, everything else is ok.

I was also expecting Qur'an & Hadith instead the sister goes and posts bahashti zewar, books we havent heard about or even read or even likely to ever read.This trend is worrying people should post proofs from Qur'an first then Sunnah.

[22CreessGah]

Idil, these rulings are mentioned in the motherbook's of the madha-hib. Of course you are averse to madhahib and thus, this this relates to your intent on posing such a question.

Sayyid ibn `abidin of ash-sham (described as khatimat al-muhaqqiqin), who authored the radd al-muhtar -- trust me, this book is *extremely* well-known amongst the muftis -- details the masa'il related to the qur'an and al-hayd, beginning from p.g. 487 V. 1 of his masterpiece, which can be accessed here. His conclusions are supported by most, if not all, the hanafi manuals before him, all the way back to the mu`tamad texts of dhahir ar-riwayah. These fuqaha' were not at all making things up, nor did they come to the same conclusion by mere chance. Rather they were analyzing the nusus through the refined principles, or usul, of al-imam abu hanifah and his students.

The details of these usul can be found in the books of the dhahir ar-riwayah which ibn `abidin lists:

وكتب ظاهر الروايات اتت*****ست وبالاصول ايضا سميت
صنفها محمد الشيباني*****حرر فيها المذهب النعماني
الجامع الصغير والكبير *******والسير الكبير والصغير
ثم الزيادات مع المبسوط*****تواترت بالسند المظبوط
كذا له مسائل النوادر *******اسنادها في الكتب غير ظاهر
وبعدها مسائل النوازل******خرجها الاشياخ بالدلائل

as well as books like the usul as-sarkhasi, usul al-bazdawi, usul al-jassas and others.

Reformists, or whatever you like you call yourselves, wish to chuck away 1400+ years of scholarship, and start from scratch forming your own usul -- with half the insight, material, energy and time of those before you -- and make your own mini-madhahib, specially tailored to your hawa e.g. judging ahadith by their mutun, disregarding their chains as we have seen you doing here, previously.

was-salam

[Sydaycymn]

I was also expecting Qur'an & Hadith instead the sister goes and posts bahashti zewar, books we havent heard about or even read or even likely to ever read.This trend is worrying people should post proofs from Qur'an first then Sunnah.

assalaamu 'alaykum sister idil...as i've said before on the forum at this kind of question, the following of a madhab is safe and easy... may Allah reward those who made it easy for the likes of us unknowledgeable (and lazy )ones who dont have to look for answers in the texts of the Qur'an and Hadeeth every time something came up.

Jazakallah brother suleimanibnsalim

[Podosinovik]

I was also expecting Qur'an & Hadith instead the sister goes and posts bahashti zewar, books we havent heard about or even read or even likely to ever read.This trend is worrying people should post proofs from Qur'an first then Sunnah.

Will brothers or sisters on this forum post what they have read and know or post what you like? Why don't you go ahead and grace us with your brilliant references from the Qur'an and Sunna.

[LSg44PDu]

assalaamu 'alaykum sister idil...as i've said before on the forum at this kind of question, the following of a madhab is safe and easy... may Allah reward those who made it easy for the likes of us unknowledgeable (and lazy )ones who dont have to look for answers in the texts of the Qur'an and Hadeeth every time something came up.

Jazakallah brother suleimanibnsalim

You're too lazy to make yourself knowledgable about the Qur'an and sunnah but you're all energetic when it comes to bahashti zewar?

SubhanAllah.


Suleiman you can always quote proofs from your madhab AFTER you present the proofs from Qur'an and Sunnah.

[LSg44PDu]

What about proofs for not allowing menstruating women inside prayer halls of masajid.I noticed how the pakistani sisters would sit outside the door near the stairs just so they can hear lectures.I was shocked to say the least it looked very discriminatory.

[priordine]

You're too lazy to make yourself knowledgable about the Qur'an and sunnah but you're all energetic when it comes to bahashti zewar?

SubhanAllah.


Suleiman you can always quote proofs from your madhab AFTER you present the proofs from Qur'an and Sunnah.

It's all about taqleed sis

Get with the programme

[priordine]

What about proofs for not allowing menstruating women inside prayer halls of masajid.I noticed how the pakistani sisters would sit outside the door near the stairs just so they can hear lectures.I was shocked to say the least it looked very discriminatory.

The hadith regarding this is mentioned in this thread

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...ntering-Masjid!

It may look discriminatory to you, but it is the command of the Messenger