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Old 03-15-2012, 09:37 AM   #21
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Brother, I have been using the wild technique for 2 days. Now, I do feel things differently when I fall deep into it, and time flys by :S. but Im still not into into my dream. Do you understand what I mean lol. I want to actually get in it. I know it takes practice, but you do it 2-3 times a week. how can I practice
It can take time... sometimes it takes a lot of will power brother, even one second of lucidity in a dream is a good step. Once you get that one sec where you are aware it is a dream... REMEMBER IT. Remember what you saw, why did you know it was a dream? Remember it is about the signs. If you can read the signs of a dream you will become lucid quickly.

The best way to improve this is by writing everything you remember from your dream as soon as you wake up, and then look back at what you wrote after one week and i assure you most of the stuff will just repeat over and over. So next time when you dream the same thing comes up, you will become lucid because you will become aware it is a dream. It is about writing the dreams down and remembering them.

I get lucid when i do not try, SubhanAllah, i did not practice much, i never wrote my dreams down except one on my phone, mashAllah i become lucid at random times during the week and i can control the dream. I will be in a fight and i will realise i am dreaming and control it.

I have tried to enter Mecca and Medina in my dreams when i become lucid, i have tried seeing companions, the Messenger, Muhammad (Saw) but it has not happened... they are truly gifts of Allah and i hope one day inshAllah i will be able to see them too.

Remember Dua is the best tool. We are Muslims and our best weapon is the Dua. Muhammad (saw) used the Dua to overcome everything... Do not be afraid to turn to Allah even in such trivial issues like lucid dreaming.
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Old 03-15-2012, 09:43 AM   #22
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Wow so many of u have experienced it. Do you need to be at a certain spiritual level. Id like to try. I have lots of vivid dreams.
There is no level of spirituality to reach sister... It is about being VERY aware every second of being awake and asleep at what you are doing and where you are... your brain does this for you without you even needing to care... you know your feet are on the floor, you know the clock is on the wall etc. In a dream these things WILL be different. The clock may be wrong or may have hands that are made of something strange, if you aware of this you will know it is a dream.

So when you are awake bring this awareness to a higher level, be aware of where you are, is everything normal? If it is not you will be in a dream. When you sleep remember this and try your best to overcome and control the dream by looking out for THE SIGNS. This will take practice eventually, inshAllah, you will become lucid often and you can do what you want... the dream world is in your hands. Just be aware sister... higher level of awareness to the simple details will help you to have a lucid dream.

Once you become lucid... don't get overexcited, because if you do YOU WILL WAKE UP. Be calm and you will probably wake up first few times eventually you will control it and you will be lucid dreaming, InshAllah.

and Allah knows best.
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Old 03-15-2012, 10:33 AM   #23
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Asalamalikum. It's usually also called sleep paralyses.
Lucid Dreaming and Sleep Paralysis are completely different things. Lucid Dreaming is what you have already described and discussed in this thread. Sleep Paralysis is:
Sleep paralysis consists of a period of inability to perform voluntary movements either at sleep onset (called hypnogogic or predormital form) or upon awakening (called hypnopompic or postdormtal form). http://www.stanford.edu/~dement/paralysis.html

To put it into somewhat inaccurate but easier to understand terms: it's like your brain waking up before your body does or your body falling asleep before your brain does. I've also heard anecdotal evidence that it occurs more frequently when one sleeps on their back (both times it's happened to me I woke up on my back), so it's even more reason to follow the Sunnah and sleep on your side, as sleep paralysis is an intensely uncomfortable experience.

edit: Don't look up Sleep Paralysis on wikipedia there are obscene images on that article, astaghfirullah.
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Old 03-15-2012, 01:43 PM   #24
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This do bring back scary memories . I do remember from my childhood and early teen not being able to breathe in my sleep and being aware of the fact I am dreaming .

Your mind tells you to wake up your just dreaming and you try to wake up.
but no matter how much you try you cannot move your body .

In one particular dream I remember getting very angry and trying to fight
back someone . I swear I thought I was strangling someones throat .
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Old 03-15-2012, 01:45 PM   #25
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just curious though, what benefit can we reap from Lucid dreaming experience ?
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Old 03-15-2012, 01:48 PM   #26
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@ br zahed-This happens to someone I know a lot. Last time the person had an attack was last year. It's always the same, feeling suffocated, like someone is strangling the person, yet the person's eyes are awake. The person would try to move, read ta'awwuz, ayatul kursi, but nothing. Although there is medical cause for this, I do feel a few of these cases are jinnat etc due to the sights the person saw while in this state.

@ br silat- I am wondering as well. The only time I know I am dreaming is when I have a nightmare and I tell myself it's only a dream to wake up.
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Old 03-15-2012, 02:17 PM   #27
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Don't you start experiencing a sort of lucid dreaming when your advanced in your muraqaba? Like kashf or something...
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Old 03-15-2012, 02:18 PM   #28
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@ br silat- I am wondering as well. The only time I know I am dreaming is when I have a nightmare and I tell myself it's only a dream to wake up.
Taqwah means to give up doubtful things. This activity soundly falls into doubtful category. Demand of Taqwah will be to give it up.

Then there is another hadeeth where it is told that if a person indulges in useless activity then his connection with Allah(SWT) is severed. This is also a severe admonition.

Thirdly any activity having spiritual dimension must be executed in supervision of a qualified expert.

In view of this I personally find this activity inadvisable.

I stand corrected by experts.

And Allah(SWT) knows best.
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Old 03-15-2012, 02:33 PM   #29
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My hesitation with lucid dreaming is that we're not angels. We all have nafs and Allah knows best what goes on in our minds. According to what is written in this thread, a person in a lucid dream has control over the dream to do whatever he wishes. If this is so, then what is stopping the person from commiting haram acts in the dream?

I know that what we do in a dream is not taken to task. However, if we are conducting our own dreams, then is it not like being awake and fantasizing about haram things? The only thing is that in a dream it is much more than fantasizing.

I feel it too risky for one's nafs.
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Old 03-15-2012, 03:31 PM   #30
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Taqwah means to give up doubtful things. This activity soundly falls into doubtful category. Demand of Taqwah will be to give it up.

Then there is another hadeeth where it is told that if a person indulges in useless activity then his connection with Allah(SWT) is severed. This is also a severe admonition.

Thirdly any activity having spiritual dimension must be executed in supervision of a qualified expert.

In view of this I personally find this activity inadvisable.

I stand corrected by experts.

And Allah(SWT) knows best.
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Old 03-15-2012, 04:51 PM   #31
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Taqwah means to give up doubtful things. This activity soundly falls into doubtful category. Demand of Taqwah will be to give it up.

Then there is another hadeeth where it is told that if a person indulges in useless activity then his connection with Allah(SWT) is severed. This is also a severe admonition.

Thirdly any activity having spiritual dimension must be executed in supervision of a qualified expert.

In view of this I personally find this activity inadvisable.

I stand corrected by experts.

And Allah(SWT) knows best.
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Old 03-15-2012, 04:59 PM   #32
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@ br zahed-This happens to someone I know a lot. Last time the person had an attack was last year. It's always the same, feeling suffocated, like someone is strangling the person, yet the person's eyes are awake. The person would try to move, read ta'awwuz, ayatul kursi, but nothing. Although there is medical cause for this, I do feel a few of these cases are jinnat etc due to the sights the person saw while in this state.
As I have mentioned it happened in my childhood and early teen . Did not experience such things since.
I do not give it much attention. I was very strong willed as a child . From what I have studied here it seems a natural ability pre programmed for
every human. Allah knows best.

We should think of these matters as natural , elements the world is made
of. There are inferior beings.
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Old 03-15-2012, 05:10 PM   #33
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@ br silat- I am wondering as well. The only time I know I am dreaming is when I have a nightmare and I tell myself it's only a dream to wake up.
maybe there is benefit that we have yet to uncover/discover from this Lucid Dreaming phenomena. I do not know.

Therapy for amnesia patient perhaps ? or can improve memory, etc ...? Im just wild guessing. Maybe a knowledgeable person can provide more info.

I wonder if one perform the adaab & sunnah before sleeping, eg in wudhu, recite the muawwizaat, almulk, assajdah, alwaqi'ah, doa before sleeping, tasbeeh fatimiyyah ... etc, does one still able to experience this lucid dreaming phenomena ?

Very little knowledge we know about dreaming. But I believe the ulama are unanimous in that there are truthful dreams (al-Ru'ya al-Sadiqah, الرؤيا الصادقة) and empty dreams (adhghaath ahlaam, أضغاث أحلام).
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Old 03-15-2012, 08:33 PM   #34
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I have tried to enter Mecca and Medina in my dreams when i become lucid, i have tried seeing companions, the Messenger, Muhammad (Saw) but it has not happened... they are truly gifts of Allah and i hope one day inshAllah i will be able to see them too.





Wallahu a'lam I think if we’re controlling our dreams then there’s nothing new we can learn from them. We produce the events in those dreams; our brains imagine them. So it may seem like we’re gaining knowledge from an external source (e.g. we’re reading Encyclopedia Britannica or chatting with Einstein) but in reality, we aren’t actually learning anything because if we were, that would mean our brain was teaching itself new information! Something paradoxical and inconceivable.

But perhaps it could still be useful for developing our creativity and solving problems. Einstein came up with the theory of relativity thanks to a dream he had though I'm not sure if he was controlling it or not.

(http://dreamtraining.blogspot.com/20...s-largest.html)

Still.. it's pretty fun to do! I succeeded once: I was climbing up stairs and realized I was dreaming so I flew up on a magic carpet instead! Then, I got exited and woke up. hehe

Barak Allah ta’aala
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Old 03-15-2012, 08:52 PM   #35
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This do bring back scary memories . I do remember from my childhood and early teen not being able to breathe in my sleep and being aware of the fact I am dreaming .

Your mind tells you to wake up your just dreaming and you try to wake up.
but no matter how much you try you cannot move your body .

In one particular dream I remember getting very angry and trying to fight
back someone . I swear I thought I was strangling someones throat .
That's called sleep paralysis.... Your body does this so you don't act out your dreams.....
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Old 03-15-2012, 08:56 PM   #36
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maybe there is benefit that we have yet to uncover/discover from this Lucid Dreaming phenomena. I do not know.

Therapy for amnesia patient perhaps ? or can improve memory, etc ...? Im just wild guessing. Maybe a knowledgeable person can provide more info.

I wonder if one perform the adaab & sunnah before sleeping, eg in wudhu, recite the muawwizaat, almulk, assajdah, alwaqi'ah, doa before sleeping, tasbeeh fatimiyyah ... etc, does one still able to experience this lucid dreaming phenomena ?

Very little knowledge we know about dreaming. But I believe the ulama are unanimous in that there are truthful dreams (al-Ru'ya al-Sadiqah, الرؤيا الصادقة) and empty dreams (adhghaath ahlaam, أضغاث أحلام).
What is the harm in exploring Lucid dreaming to find a benefit in it??? I am sure there are some sufi shaykhs who have information about it. Simply because you don't know the beneift, doesn't mean there isn't...
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Old 03-15-2012, 09:04 PM   #37
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One benefit I can think of at the moment is to stop having nightmares.
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Old 03-15-2012, 11:24 PM   #38
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What is the harm in exploring Lucid dreaming to find a benefit in it??? I am sure there are some sufi shaykhs who have information about it. Simply because you don't know the beneift, doesn't mean there isn't...
Being in a state of consciousness while your body and brain is in a
state of subconscious.

Dose that sound familiar to anyone else.

I remember reading somewhere or maybe hearing it in reference to
practices of Tasawwuf.

' For some even sleep is an act of worship'. Heard that more then once .
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Old 03-16-2012, 12:12 AM   #39
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My question is little bit Off topic.
I rarely see any dream,but whenever I do istikhara for anything I see dreams always in symbolic form,sometimes very funny which I couldn't relate to actual life. I never tried to get interpolation.
recently I had asked interpretation of dream to scholar ,and it is was positive.
My question is "is it necessary to go for dream interpretation for each dream.
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Old 03-16-2012, 12:55 AM   #40
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Whirling dervishes.
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