[QvhhbjLy]

Asalam o Aleikum , sorry i always create controversial threads :P but can someone plzz finish my confusion in this matter

Imam Abu Hanifa said, 'The companions of the Prophet (S) were generally pious and just. I accept every hadith with evidence narrated by them, but I do not accept the hadith whose source is Abu Huraira, Anas ibn Malik, or Samra ibn Jundab '

my question is why did he said that ??? i am asking only for information

[P1international]

Asalam o Aleikum , sorry i always create controversial threads :P but can someone plzz finish my confusion in this matter

Imam Abu Hanifa said, 'The companions of the Prophet (S) were generally pious and just. I accept every hadith with evidence narrated by them, but I do not accept the hadith whose source is Abu Huraira, Anas ibn Malik, or Samra ibn Jundab '

my question is why did he said that ??? i am asking only for information

Brother, whats the source. I can assure you Imam Abu Hanifa (ra) consider all the Sahaba to be in Haqq. There is no way Imam Abu Hanifa (ra) will issue such a blasphemous statement. Please mention the source.

[CializCialiscsqw]

I think I found something similar in Arabic:

وروى محمد بن الحسن عن أبي حنيفة أنه قال: أقلد من كان من القضاة المفتين من الصحابة كأبي بكر وعمر وعثمان وعلي والعبادلة الثلاثة ولا أستجيز خلافهم برأيي إلا ثلاثة نفر - وفي رواية - أقلد جميع الصحابة ولا أستجيز خلافهم برأيي إلا ثلاثة نفر (أنس بن مالك وأبو هريرة وسمرة بن جندب) فقيل له في ذلك فقال: أما أنس فاختلط في آخر عمره وكان يستفتى فيفتي من عقله، وأنا لا أقلد عقله، وأما أبو هريرة فكان يروي كل ما سمع من غير أن يتأمل في المعنى ومن غير أن يعرف الناسخ من المنسوخ

Muhammad bin al-Hassan narrated from abu Hanifa that he said: "I make Taqleed of the Muftis among the Sahaba like Abu Bakr, 'Umar, 'Uthman, 'Ali, 'Abdullah ibn 'Abbas, 'Abdullah ibn 'Umar, 'Abdulleh ibn al-Zubair and I would never oppose any of their Fatwas with a Fatwa based on my own opinion, except three: Anas bin Malik, abu Huraira and Sumrah bin Jondab." They asked him about this so he replied: "As for Anas his brain got confused at the end of his life so he started making Fatwas from his own head, I do not make Taqleed of his head. As for abu Huraira he used to narrate everything he heard from the Prophet (SAWS) without contemplating the meanings and without knowing what is abrogated."

Comment: It seems quite different from what was quoted above in Wikipedia, what the Arabic text says (Considering that it is authentic in the first place), it doesn't say he doesn't accept the Hadith of those three, it says that his own opinions cannot contradict those of the major companions but they can contradict the opinions of the three men and he stated his reason.

Another:

روى أبو يوسف قال: قلت لأبي حنيفة: الخبر يجيئني عن رسول الله يخالف قياسنا، ما نصنع به؟ فقال: إذا جاءت به الرواة الثقات عملنا به وتركنا الرأي. فقلت: ما تقول في رواية أبي بكر وعمر؟ قال ناهيك بهما. فقلت: وعلي وعثمان؟ قال: كذلك. فلما رآني أعد الصحابة - قال: والصحابة كلهم عدول ما عدا رجالا. وعد منهم أبا هريرة وأنس بن مالك

Abu Yusuf narrated: I said to abu Hanifa: "The narration reaches us from the Prophet (SAWS) and it contradicts our Qiyas, what do we make of it?" he replied: "If it reaches us through the trustworthy narrators we work with it and leave our opinion." I said: "What do you say about the narrations of Abu Bakr and 'Umar?" He said: "They are sufficient." I asked: "What about those of 'Uthman and 'Ali?" He replied: "Them as well" and when he saw that I was counting the Sahaba he said: "All of the companions are just except some men." and he counted among them abu Huraira and Anas bin Malik.


Comment: Still we need a Hanafi scholar to tell us if abu Hanifa really said this or not, because it can be weak. Also it seems the two narrations directly contradict each-other as the first one doesn't mention anything about trustworthiness or justice of narrators.

source: taken from an article written by Quranist who rejects hadith in the official Quranist website, probably the same can be found in Shia websites.

[QvhhbjLy]

Brother, whats the source. I can assure you Imam Abu Hanifa (ra) consider all the Sahaba to be in Haqq. There is no way Imam Abu Hanifa (ra) will issue such a blasphemous statement. Please mention the source.

W'Salam , source : commentary on Muslim's Sahih, Volume IV , thats all i know about its source

[P1international]

I think I found something similar in Arabic:

وروى محمد بن الحسن عن أبي حنيفة أنه قال: أقلد من كان من القضاة المفتين من الصحابة كأبي بكر وعمر وعثمان وعلي والعبادلة الثلاثة ولا أستجيز خلافهم برأيي إلا ثلاثة نفر - وفي رواية - أقلد جميع الصحابة ولا أستجيز خلافهم برأيي إلا ثلاثة نفر (أنس بن مالك وأبو هريرة وسمرة بن جندب) فقيل له في ذلك فقال: أما أنس فاختلط في آخر عمره وكان يستفتى فيفتي من عقله، وأنا لا أقلد عقله، وأما أبو هريرة فكان يروي كل ما سمع من غير أن يتأمل في المعنى ومن غير أن يعرف الناسخ من المنسوخ

Muhammad bin al-Hassan narrated from abu Hanifa that he said: "I make Taqleed of the Muftis among the Sahaba like Abu Bakr, 'Umar, 'Uthman, 'Ali, 'Abdullah ibn 'Abbas, 'Abdullah ibn 'Umar, 'Abdulleh ibn al-Zubair and I would never oppose any of their Fatwas with a Fatwa based on my own opinion, except three: Anas bin Malik, abu Huraira and Sumrah bin Jondab." They asked him about this so he replied: "As for Anas his brain got confused at the end of his life so he started making Fatwas from his own head, I do not make Taqleed of his head. As for abu Huraira he used to narrate everything he heard from the Prophet (SAWS) without contemplating the meanings and without knowing what is abrogated."

Comment: It seems quite different from what was quoted above in Wikipedia, what the Arabic text says (Considering that it is authentic in the first place), it doesn't say he doesn't accept the Hadith of those three, it says that his own opinions cannot contradict those of the major companions but they can contradict the opinions of the three men and he stated his reason.

Another:

روى أبو يوسف قال: قلت لأبي حنيفة: الخبر يجيئني عن رسول الله يخالف قياسنا، ما نصنع به؟ فقال: إذا جاءت به الرواة الثقات عملنا به وتركنا الرأي. فقلت: ما تقول في رواية أبي بكر وعمر؟ قال ناهيك بهما. فقلت: وعلي وعثمان؟ قال: كذلك. فلما رآني أعد الصحابة - قال: والصحابة كلهم عدول ما عدا رجالا. وعد منهم أبا هريرة وأنس بن مالك

Abu Yusuf narrated: I said to abu Hanifa: "The narration reaches us from the Prophet (SAWS) and it contradicts our Qiyas, what do we make of it?" he replied: "If it reaches us through the trustworthy narrators we work with it and leave our opinion." I said: "What do you say about the narrations of Abu Bakr and 'Umar?" He said: "They are sufficient." I asked: "What about those of 'Uthman and 'Ali?" He replied: "Them as well" and when he saw that I was counting the Sahaba he said: "All of the companions are just except some men." and he counted among them abu Huraira and Anas bin Malik.


Comment: Still we need a Hanafi scholar to tell us if abu Hanifa really said this or not, because it can be weak. Also it seems the two narrations directly contradict each-other as the first one doesn't mention anything about trustworthiness or justice of narrators.

source: taken from an article written by Quranist who rejects hadith in the official Quranist website, probably the same can be found in Shia websites.

That in itself is fishy.

[CializCialiscsqw]

I found something even more interesting here:

عمل أبو حنيفة والشافعي وغيرهما بحديثه : أن من أكل ناسيا ، فليتم صومه مع أن القياس عند أبي حنيفة : أنه يفطر ، فترك القياس لخبر أبي هريرة . "Abu Hanifa and al-Shafi'i and others worked with his(Abu Huraira's) Hadiths: When one forgets then eats while he is fasting, he must continue his fast. Although the Qiyas of abu Hanifa is that his fasting is ruined BUT he left his own Qiyas because of the narration of abu Huraiara.

source: http://www.islamweb.net/newlibrary/showalam.php?ids=3

This directly contradicts both of the above and if one can bring us this from abu Hanifa's books then the matter is settled.

[P1international]

I found something even more interesting here:



"Abu Hanifa and al-Shafi'i and others worked with his(Abu Huraira's) Hadiths: When one forgets then eats while he is fasting, he must continue his fast. Although the Qiyas of abu Hanifa is that his fasting is ruined BUT he left his own Qiyas because of the narration of abu Huraiara.

source: http://www.islamweb.net/newlibrary/showalam.php?ids=3

This directly contradicts both of the above and if one can bring us this from abu Hanifa's books then the matter is settled.

I was about to mention that if one can mention a hadith narrated by Abu Huraira (ra) which was used by Imam Abu Hanifa(ra) to derive a ruling, then the matter will be settled beyond doubt. for posting it bro.

I personally have absolutely no doubt that the scholars of all four madhabs ie the Ahl Sunnah wal Jamah accepted all the Sahabah. Only reason we need to search for clear statements is for convincing the 'people of doubt'. Its so unfortunate that people waste their time engaged in deviant claims. May Allah protect us. Ameen.

[CializCialiscsqw]

I am not familiar with any of abu hanifa's works but he seems to have also relied on the Hadith of abu Huraiara (ra) to make his Fatwa here:
http://www.qaradawi.net/library/49/2136.html

[QvhhbjLy]

I am not familiar with any of abu hanifa's works but he seems to have also relied on the Hadith of abu Huraiara (ra) to make his Fatwa here:
http://www.qaradawi.net/library/49/2136.html

thanks very much , my intention was to only know the view of Imam Abu Hanifa (R) nothing else

[Chooriwrocaxz]

thanks very much , my intention was to only know the view of Imam Abu Hanifa (R) nothing else

Hope the answers provided by brothers removed your confusion.

[Assungusa]

Asalam o Aleikum , sorry i always create controversial threads :P but can someone plzz finish my confusion in this matter

Imam Abu Hanifa said, 'The companions of the Prophet (S) were generally pious and just. I accept every hadith with evidence narrated by them, but I do not accept the hadith whose source is Abu Huraira, Anas ibn Malik, or Samra ibn Jundab '

my question is why did he said that ??? i am asking only for information

You see and hear and understand what you want to see and hear and understand.

All of us are experiencing the same thing in Islam yet somehow it has opposite effects in people.

Calms the heart for one and makes their Imaan strong. Makes them grateful to Allah to be fortunate in understanding.

For others it takes them deeper into darkness and makes them doubtful and critical of everything.

[AlexDatig]

Malhan !!

Why don't you send this statement of yours to the Mufti Sahab at askimam or go to your nearby Masjid's Darul Ifta?

You didn't even mention the exact reference of your quote.

[Bobobsdo]

Every single sahabi is better than Imam Abu Hanifah RA, and their opinions are more greater than that of Imam Abu Hanifah RA that I would take them over that of Imam Abu Hanifah RA. But at the same time I completely trust and respect Imam Abu Hanifah RA that I could never accept him to say something which degraded sahaba. I think either the quote is misunderstood or is a false claim in and of itself (by people who over exaggerate Imam Abu Hanifah, not mentioning any names).

[AlexDatig]

As we to Taqleed e Shaksi, it is obligatory on us to follow Imam Abu Hanifa RU's rulings having assumed that he has ruled according to proper Dalail. There wasn't any reference either.

[Bobobsdo]

As we to Taqleed e Shaksi, it is obligatory on us to follow Imam Abu Hanifa RU's rulings having assumed that he has ruled according to proper Dalail. There wasn't any reference either.

How can you make such an assumption though? Don't you think you're being a bit extreme on your obedience towards Imam Abu Hanifah solely? Is he a specific person mention by Allah and the prophet Muhammad PBUH to be someone you should follow 100% like the mahdi? Seriously?

[SaamanthaSterlyng]

As we to Taqleed e Shaksi, it is obligatory on us to follow Imam Abu Hanifa RU's rulings having assumed that he has ruled according to proper Dalail. There wasn't any reference either.

Followers of madhhabs do not do Taqleed-e Shaksi, rather follow a school consisting of many 'ulama who follow a common set of principles.

[AlexDatig]

As it is ascribed to the laymen by Hanafi, Hanbali, Maliki, Shafai Ulema worldwide to follow a Madhab or a school of thought due to our ignorance to see through Dalail due to our Unfamiliarity with the art of Hadith, Fiqh in detail etc etc. This has been followed in the Ummah and accepted in the Ummah for more than the last 500 years. And it is even so necessary in this day and age of ignorance, falsehood otherwise you'll end being like a sect which I'm sure I won't have to name here.

Rasul Allah has already informed us that my Ummah will never gather upon a deviation. The Ummah and accepted these 4 as the greatest learned Imams and afterwards you find countless verdicts of scholars upon the laymen telling them to do Taqleed-e-Shaksi around the years. Mufti Taqi Usmani's book "Understanding Taqleed" is the best and simple work explaining this with Dalail. He also warns many of extremism in this and which happens.

[Podosinovik]

Asalam o Aleikum , sorry i always create controversial threads :P but can someone plzz finish my confusion in this matter

Imam Abu Hanifa said, 'The companions of the Prophet (S) were generally pious and just. I accept every hadith with evidence narrated by them, but I do not accept the hadith whose source is Abu Huraira, Anas ibn Malik, or Samra ibn Jundab '

my question is why did he said that ??? i am asking only for information

These are all allegations of the enemies of Islam and the Sunna.

The actual usul in hanafi fiqh is that those narrations of Abu Hurairah which are in agreement with analogy (al-qiyas) are adopted, and what is in disagreement with analogy, one sees if the Ahaadeeth has been accepted by the umma, only then it is adopted; otherwise analogy is adopted in preference to Ahaadeeth. (Usul al-Sarkhasi)

This principle comes from the Tabi'i Ibrahim al Nakha'i on the grounds that Hadrat Abu Hurayra was not amongst the fuqaha' sahaba.
Several scholars, particularly of the school of Imam Shafi'i(rah) differed with Ibrahim on this.

Those of the Companions of Allah's Messenger (saws) from whom fatwa was preserved are some one hundred and thirty souls that range between men and women and the mukhthirun (those who issued fatwa in large numbers) from them are seven: 'Umar ibn al Khattab, 'Ali ibn Abi Talib, 'Abdullah ibn Mas'ud, A'isha, mother of the believers, Zayd ibn Thabit, 'Abdullah ibn 'Abbas and 'Abdullah ibn 'Umar. (Ibn Qayyim in 'Ilaam al Muwaqi'in)