[FailiaFelay]

I believe you've read the hadith about Khorasan wars. And most probably you've read about the hadith on the phases of Muslims ruling era?
"There will be Prophethood for as long as Allah wills it to be, then He will remove it when He wills, then there will be Khilafah on the Prophetic method and it will be for as long as Allah wills, then He will remove it when He wills, then there will be biting Kingship for as long as Allah Wills, then He will remove it when He wills, then there will be oppressive kingship for as long as Allah wills, then he will remove it when He wills, and then there will be Khilafah upon the Prophetic method" and then he remained silent.

But what if we haven't yet reached this period of oppressive kingship? I don't feel being oppressed right now and I don't have too much knowledge on this so please correct me.

[nancywind]

But what if we haven't yet reached this period of oppressive kingship? I don't feel being oppressed right now and I don't have too much knowledge on this so please correct me.

brother,

Probably it's best if you can ask this question directly to a scholar face to face, as you can discuss many other questions that might arise from the answer given to the first question.

Nobody knows for sure about when is the right time for the transition to the khilafiah period that we all are waiting for right now. Only Allah Knows for sure. Just that from reading many different hadiths pertaining to the signs of qiyamat, several events in the Muslim world are pointing to different events that are happening around us now. And if the moment is verified and confirmed, then we will be able to hear proclamations of that from ulama'. In the mean time, all we have to do is to prepare, .

Also, I don't think the hadith about living under oppression is meant to be taken at micro level. The hadith is pertaining to the conditions of ummah, and particularly to the conditions of the mu'mineen who are striving to uphold the laws of Allah within the ummah.

Allah Knows Best.

[FailiaFelay]

brother,

Probably it's best if you can ask this question directly to a scholar face to face, as you can discuss many other questions that might arise from the answer given to the first question.

Nobody knows for sure about when is the right time for the transition to the khilafiah period that we all are waiting for right now. Only Allah Knows for sure. Just that from reading many different hadiths pertaining to the signs of qiyamat, several events in the Muslim world are pointing to different events that are happening around us now. And if the moment is verified and confirmed, then we will be able to hear proclamations of that from ulama'. In the mean, all we have to do is to prepare, .

Also, I don't think the hadith about living under oppression is meant to be taken at micro level. The hadith is pertaining the ummah conditions, and particularly to the conditions of the mu'mineen who are striving to uphold the laws of Allah within the ummah.

Allah Knows Best.

Jazakallah
If you have read those hadith and can link the current events to them, then you must be right. We have to be prepared,

[autolubitelone]

That is indeed a good point. I see Mohammed (PBUH) and his first wife of good examples of basic market economics (which is all normal capitalism is). However today, we have vastly different forms of capitalism in the form of mega-corporations and stock markets that are based on religious-like "faith" in infinite economic growth while in a world of limited finite resources. As such the current Western capitalist system is not based upon sustainable economics. They are based upon short-sighted economic theories that people have blind-faith in. I am not saying that the solution is socialism either. Extremes of socialism are just as dangerous as we have seen in world history. It is in this area, that I do believe that a form of Islamic capitalism could fill in the gap between Western capitalist extremes and Socialist extremes. I know some Turkish companies practice Islamic values and I am sure that many do in other parts of the Islamic world. These are the types of Islamic ideas that I wish more Shaykhs would study and advocate rather then simply rant against Western global economics. If these Islamic forms of capitalism can catch on regionally, they could spread globally as Western economies collapse from their own greed and short-sighted economic policies (mainly based on imaginary "future money"). Unfortunately however very few Shaykhs study comparative economics as that is often lumped into "kufr" ideology. But without a strong understanding of economics, it leaves many Muslims at the mercy of those who do have a better understanding of economics, but who are not interested in doing what is best for Islam. At rate, if anyone knows of any Shaykhs who have tried to develop a form of economic theory based upon Islam, I would be very interested in studying that.

many points I agree it was actually very interesting reading how you are able to formulate the challenges.
my brothers and sister actually lead me this way so ideas are known,
seem all needs its time, it is complexity

[bahrain41]

Hmm... I've definitely seen real hatred during my lifetime from people in many countries (and have myself felt hatred briefly during moments of extreme anger). At any rate, I never said the blog had any call to violence, only that it made some awfully huge generalizations. If one of the goals of Islam is dawah towards the kufr, such generalizations can be counter-productive. As such, understanding the different mindsets of kufr and the various attitudes towards Islam (both negative and positive) would seem important.

Thank you for the link. I believe I have read this before (although I will read it again). However, it is based upon a scholar from the 5th century and as such leaves out a tremendous number of issues facing the modern world, especially when it comes to issues of technology and economic and cultural issues between Muslims and Kufr. The disagreements I have seen mainly have to do with issues of defining Dar Al-Islam and Dar Al-Harb, issues of which areas of Western educational systems to accept and which to reject, issues regarding democratic versus totalitarian governments, issues regarding globalization (free-market economics), and of course issues regarding what forms of Western technology (such as the internet, cell-phones, satellite TV, etc..etc...) to reject and which are beneficial to islam. Then there are issues regarding whether secular laws that do not compromise or go against the Shariat are acceptable or not. Take for example a state-paid scholar in Morocco versus a respected Deobandi scholar from Pakistan and you find massive differences on such issues a long with various degrees of acceptence or rejection of certain aspects of Western culture. At any rate, I will look up some of these questions on the links you posted for scholars. Thank you.

As for the evangelical Christians, I'm not comparing them to Muslims regarding who is more right or wrong. Only that many of their goals are similar to Muslims as far as how they want to see society. Also Biblical law is vastly different then secular law. If anything it is much harsher and less compassionate then Shariat. But that is just a simple theological observation and opinion on my part and nothing more. The discussion on that specific topic should end there as that is more suitable for a different forum, not an Islamic one as I'm not interested in arguing the merits Christian theology (or lack of merits).

i dont think the book has become irrelevant. the islamic Laws are the same, we just have to extend them to new problems. its not that hard. also christian 'law' has been modifed extensively that one cannot tell (w/o referiing to the Qur'an) which word was written by man and which sent by Allah.even if christian law does prevail it will still be Law of Man , non-compliant of shariah. any Law not permitted by Islamic Shariah, whether from the Bible or from congress is invalid and incorrect.

you see the basic difference in your and our understanding is Islam. we have accepted it whole-heartedly and we do not have any doubt it is the only real authentic religion on the planet.you on the other hand see religion as a relative thing. for you we are just like the christians as 'we have a religion', while to us thats not the case.the only way to see islam from a muslim's eye is to either pray to Allah to show you the path or to become a Muslim.
i can attest to this that a non-muslim (if he is not searching for Islam) can never understand how the world works. im sorry but thats true. you have to be a Muslim (and a practising one) for Allah is the Source of Guidance. i assure you when i started practising i began to understand complex problems of life and Hereafter which i could not understand before, using my own intellect.so my advice is that if ur sincerely looking for answers (whatever they may be), then turn to Allah and ask Him. then you seek knowledge (using the websites i provided) for Allah will provide the means during your endeavor in sha Allah

as for the blog in question. it was written for muslim seculars not kuffar. had that not been the case the words would have been different. either way i do not think there is anything that is generalized or counter-productive. the blog clearly differentiates between peace-loving and war-monger kafirs and non-muslim seculars.one are active in hurting Islam. the other are not. the blog targets the former while no mention is of the latter : s. either way thank you for the feedback and best of lcuk with the interaction with scholars

[bahrain41]

That is indeed a good point. I see Mohammed (PBUH) and his first wife of good examples of basic market economics (which is all normal capitalism is). However today, we have vastly different forms of capitalism in the form of mega-corporations and stock markets that are based on religious-like "faith" in infinite economic growth while in a world of limited finite resources. As such the current Western capitalist system is not based upon sustainable economics. They are based upon short-sighted economic theories that people have blind-faith in. I am not saying that the solution is socialism either. Extremes of socialism are just as dangerous as we have seen in world history. It is in this area, that I do believe that a form of Islamic capitalism could fill in the gap between Western capitalist extremes and Socialist extremes. I know some Turkish companies practice Islamic values and I am sure that many do in other parts of the Islamic world. These are the types of Islamic ideas that I wish more Shaykhs would study and advocate rather then simply rant against Western global economics. If these Islamic forms of capitalism can catch on regionally, they could spread globally as Western economies collapse from their own greed and short-sighted economic policies (mainly based on imaginary "future money"). Unfortunately however very few Shaykhs study comparative economics as that is often lumped into "kufr" ideology. But without a strong understanding of economics, it leaves many Muslims at the mercy of those who do have a better understanding of economics, but who are not interested in doing what is best for Islam. At rate, if anyone knows of any Shaykhs who have tried to develop a form of economic theory based upon Islam, I would be very interested in studying that.

Mufti Taqi Usmani to the best of my knowledge

[pavilionnotebook]

It's funny that you mention the Gulen movement. I have worked with them for the past 10 years and count them as some of my best friends. They're very good people. I am actually on the board of a charter school that was founded by members of the Gulen movement. (Because of this I have been accused of being an Islamist. lol) Overall, I think that they are probably some of the most awe-inspiring Muslims that I've ever met as most of them put their faith into practice helping to build their communities no matter where they live. They also do, I think, an excellent job of representing Muslims. However... Gulen's particular teachings of Tasawuuf are not exactly mainstream Islam. I like his teachings, but I don't really see him as on the same level of other well-established islamic scholars. To me, a true scholar is one who can trace his lineage through hundreds of years of scholars through an established Madhhab. He also, in my opinion, should be someone who has studied other Madhhabs and understands in great depth the science of analyzing the Ahadith so as to have strong knowledge regarding the strength or weakness of particular hadiths as well as the history of writings by other famous Islamic scholars all throughout Islamic history. That is one reason why I tend to like Hamza Yussuf as he goes into a lot of very deep detail and doesn't give simplistic mickey-mouse answers. In other words he backs up his answers with many different examples and even questions his own views on certain issues and admits when he may be wrong or is not sure about a certain issue. Humility to me is the sign of a very good spiritual teacher who has mastery over his own ego (which to me is probably the most important teaching of Tasawuuf and why it's important to spiritual development)

: O

Bro, seriously my jaw dropped seeing this post coming from a person who is yet to embrace Islam. Welcome to the forums bro.
Perhaps you can open a new thread so we can discuss any topic you want more information.

[libertiespana]

: O

Bro, seriously my jaw dropped seeing this post coming from a person who is yet to embrace Islam. Welcome to the forums bro.
Perhaps you can open a new thread so we can discuss any topic you want more information.

Dr Sahab ( and, and this is an address of love the love that I have enjoyed from my seniors and the love that I am returning now ...),
Have you ever demonstrated to us as to how you invite Allah(SWT)'s beloved people to Him?
Wassalam

[ibupronec]

Mufti Taqi Usmani to the best of my knowledge

Thank you for the info. I'll definitely see if any of them can answer some of my questions. Also, I do understand your point about understanding certain things better once you become Muslim. With that said, however, I do try to understand Islam as much as possible, from not only an academic view but also from a spiritual view simply being around my local Islamic community and participating in rituals like fasting, doing dhiker, and things like that. Nevertheless, you are right that things change when you actually become Muslim. The same goes for any religion when you actually become part of that religion. Your entire perspective on life and the world changes. However for the type of work that I'd like to find (working with a non-profit that networks with reputable organizations that have common goals of developing dialog with the goal of conflict resolution), it's important that I remain unbiased in order to, as an anthropologist, see the perspectives of extremely different groups of people. For example, just as easily as I can discuss Islamic theology here, I can hop onto a evangelical Christian forum and speak to them within the context of Christian theology. If I were a Muslim or a Christian, I would have a very hard time identifying with the other side's world view. At least as I am now I can identify to a large extent with both world views as my own... maybe not perfectly, but hopefully enough to translate ideas across cultural and religious barriers in ways that make sense to both sides of a conflict. Anyways... I hope that made sense.

[ibupronec]

: O

Bro, seriously my jaw dropped seeing this post coming from a person who is yet to embrace Islam. Welcome to the forums bro.
Perhaps you can open a new thread so we can discuss any topic you want more information.

Thank you. I'm actually not new, I just haven't dropped by in a long time. I also don't spam these forums as some of my questions can be a bit sensitive and while I like to create thought-provoking discussions, I also have to be careful not to offend as I am a guest. Most of my questions I should refer to scholars about although some of the things I mentioned I do like to discuss on forums such as these at least a little bit just because I find the topics so interesting. For spiritual discussions however, I love to discuss Tasawuuf, but I prefer to just read what others write on this forum regarding Tasawuuf as my knowledge is small compared to many. Some of the writings of ancient masters of Tasawuuf I could read all day, they are so beautiful.

[pavilionnotebook]

Thank you for the info. I'll definitely see if any of them can answer some of my questions. Also, I do understand your point about understanding certain things better once you become Muslim. With that said, however, I do try to understand Islam as much as possible, from not only an academic view but also from a spiritual view simply being around my local Islamic community and participating in rituals like fasting, doing dhiker, and things like that. Nevertheless, you are right that things change when you actually become Muslim. The same goes for any religion when you actually become part of that religion. Your entire perspective on life and the world changes. However for the type of work that I'd like to find (working with a non-profit that networks with reputable organizations that have common goals of developing dialog with the goal of conflict resolution), it's important that I remain unbiased in order to, as an anthropologist, see the perspectives of extremely different groups of people. For example, just as easily as I can discuss Islamic theology here, I can hop onto a evangelical Christian forum and speak to them within the context of Christian theology. If I were a Muslim or a Christian, I would have a very hard time identifying with the other side's world view. At least as I am now I can identify to a large extent with both world views as my own... maybe not perfectly, but hopefully enough to translate ideas across cultural and religious barriers in ways that make sense to both sides of a conflict. Anyways... I hope that made sense.

So you are an anthropologist. Nice. So you must have studied the Muslim community and Islam and other religions for quite sometime. I understand that your wanting to be unbiased. For example to really enjoy watching football(or any sport) one has to 'not' take sides of either teams. In that way one will be able to appreciate the skills and game of both teams. A supporter of a particular team will not appreciate the good game of the other team.

But all this applicable when one is a 'spectator'. But everyone have a role of the 'player'. Here the game is life. Since the stakes are high one have to win. Have you thought about playing the role of a player and which team is the most appropriate to choose?

[libertiespana]

Oh my, my! I wish Allah(SWT) to inspire brother Wigon to say yes!

[freevideoandoicsI]

Oh my, my! I wish Allah(SWT) to inspire brother Wigon to say yes!

To say yes to what?

[libertiespana]

To say yes to what?

To say yes to the fact that there are two types of people.
One who chose to submit their will to the Will of Allah(SWT).
Two who do not.
And once one realizes the gravity of the two options then his or her eagerness to fall into the first category.

[irresseni]

It's a real hot issue and i would like to say, Now the time is calling to entire Muslim world that show your " Unity" at one plate form and protest against this action which has done by US troops. It's really hurt to the faith and feelings of the Muslims. Because it is the matter of faith which is base of Muslim building personality.

[freevideoandoicsI]

To say yes to the fact that there are two types of people.
One who chose to submit their will to the Will of Allah(SWT).
Two who do not.
And once one realizes the gravity of the two options then his or her eagerness to fall into the first category.

The answer is more confusing that the question.
Hadrat, your bisons are going haywire.
Take care and remember in dua's.

[libertiespana]

The answer is more confusing that the question.
Hadrat, your bisons are going haywire.
Take care and remember in dua's.

We invite brother Wigon to Islam from the deepest cores of our hearts.
Is that too difficult Sidi?
Wassalam

[freevideoandoicsI]

We invite brother Wigon to Islam from the deepest cores of our hearts.
Is that too difficult Sidi?
Wassalam

At last. A statement that someone of my mental level can comprehend.
Thanks, Sidi.

[Scukonah]

At last. A statement that someone of my mental level can comprehend.

I thought that only I'm that ignorant who can't realize Shaykh Maripat Sahab's obscure sentences.

[GetsTan]

Maybe the trick is not to look too deep or too in between the lines.