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Old 03-11-2012, 01:03 PM   #1
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I would like to spread Islam and give dawah to atheists.

How can I prove to them that Quran is word of god and god exists?

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Old 03-11-2012, 02:46 PM   #2
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How buildings are made ? does they require some special humans to build it (architectural engineers ?) what about the universe there must be someone who did all of this (logically its GOD), great how about the evil humans, how are they going to run away ?, there must be something to make justice, whos going to do it ? its GOD.
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Old 03-11-2012, 02:56 PM   #3
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Who makes you believe God is not there, who stops you to believe in God, why it is you get 100 of reasons but still you are not convinced, it is shaytaan. And that is what manifest the presence of God.
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Old 03-11-2012, 03:11 PM   #4
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I heard an amazing allegory one time.

A religious man and an atheist were talking.

The atheist asked the religious man why he was so certain that God existed, even though there was no proof.

The religious man said, "You're married, right?"

The atheist replied, "Yes."

The religious man said, "Prove it."



Things that are unseen do exist.
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Old 03-11-2012, 03:48 PM   #5
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Salam

I would like to spread Islam and give dawah to atheists.

How can I prove to them that Quran is word of god and god exists?

Jazakallah Khair
Something went wrong with their evolutionary process. They are still ape brained. Tough luck making them understand

Bandar Kya Jaane Adrak ka Swaad
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Old 03-11-2012, 04:42 PM   #6
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Salam

I would like to spread Islam and give dawah to atheists.

How can I prove to them that Quran is word of god and god exists?

Jazakallah Khair


Brother, you are too young now. Start to acquire adequate ilm and pray to Allaah for your acceptance. Allaah will teach you everything.
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Old 03-11-2012, 04:49 PM   #7
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I heard an amazing allegory one time.

A religious man and an atheist were talking.

The atheist asked the religious man why he was so certain that God existed, even though there was no proof.

The religious man said, "You're married, right?"

The atheist replied, "Yes."

The religious man said, "Prove it."



Things that are unseen do exist.
That's not entirely that amazing because it is possible to prove that his wife exists, both at that time (he's wearing a ring), in the future (he can bring his wife to the religious man) and by other people (who know the man is married and can testify to that).

The whole point of faith is that it's not provable with the 5 senses.

-Jas
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Old 03-11-2012, 04:57 PM   #8
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Because you need to use all 5 senses that God gave you to understand that God do exists.
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Old 03-11-2012, 05:33 PM   #9
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That's not entirely that amazing because it is possible to prove that his wife exists, both at that time (he's wearing a ring),
You have faith in the ring which he wears. Just by looking at the ring, you bring faith that he is married. In all probability he may be faking it.

in the future (he can bring his wife to the religious man) and
You have faith in the religious man. Just by listening to the religious man's testimony, you accept that he is married.

by other people (who know the man is married and can testify to that).
You have faith in the testimony of other people. Similarly, Just by listening to the testimony of these other people you accept that he is married.

The whole point of faith is that it's not provable with the 5 senses.

-Jas
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Old 03-11-2012, 06:18 PM   #10
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You have faith in the ring which he wears. Just by looking at the ring, you bring faith that he is married. In all probability he may be faking it.


You have faith in the religious man. Just by listening to the religious man's testimony, you accept that he is married.


You have faith in the testimony of other people. Similarly, Just by listening to the testimony of these other people you accept that he is married.
Very nice reply...jazaakAllahu khaira...may Allah swt increase your fahem manifold...hope bro Jason gets the essence of it
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Old 03-12-2012, 10:15 AM   #11
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Thank you.

You can call me young but there is no age where one must reach in order to preach the word of God. The word of god shall reach all hearts, all ages like it has been for the past hundreds of years. I will one day convert many atheists (whether through it is in person at University or on a public forum such as this) through the help of Allah. That is my goal.
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Old 03-12-2012, 11:18 AM   #12
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You have faith in the ring which he wears. Just by looking at the ring, you bring faith that he is married. In all probability he may be faking it.


You have faith in the religious man. Just by listening to the religious man's testimony, you accept that he is married.


You have faith in the testimony of other people. Similarly, Just by listening to the testimony of these other people you accept that he is married.
Have to say a weak analogy,

So according to this how do people establish they are married say infront of a judge/mufti?

The man can easily produce the nikah nama, they can then go to each of the witnesses and the person who "read" the nikah, the wife also if needed, even try to get a few people who came to the walima. and it will be proven without doubt that the man is actually married.

Now you prove there is a God!
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Old 03-12-2012, 11:30 AM   #13
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The proof that God exists is the Quran itself. Sadly the majority of people are ill-minded and won't accept that fact as they say that the Quran is not the word of god, and wascreated by man. God has verified and clarified everything in the Quran. When you read the Quran, you see the beauty of the words of God. Everything is clarified in its highest sense and order. Sadly people don't have the time nor do they want to read the Quran, therefore they "reject" the religion.

The only way to change an atheist's mindset is to allow them to read the Quran for themselves. If they don't read the Quran, their arguments are invalid. Every single aspect in the Quran adheres to fairness, justice, peace, love for people and humanity etc. When you allow someone to read the Quran, they will see for themselves that these words could not have been created by man! Everything in the Quran relating to science, law, justice etc. could not have been created by man at the time the verses were presented to Prophet Muhammad. The Quran are the words of God which have been clarified in every single verse. You cannot even debate/argue against any verse as each of them has been strictly clarified!!

The life of Prophet Muhammad is a living example that God exists!! The most just, fair, polite, forgiving, trustworthy man to walk this Earth!! Nobody is like him and nobody will ever be like him (never in the past, present, or future) He has indeed came from God! Just like all of us. Just think about it! Have you ever witnessed a man like Prophet Muhammad in your life time? Of course not, someone so pure and so just could not have just been a coincidence. Look at his life. Look at how many struggles he has gone through and never did he want to take revenge on anyone who hated him! Which one of us amongst us would say that? Nobody, the world today lives on attaining vengeance and every man wants to get even with others. Examples include politics and war etc.

Many non-muslims acknowledge that Muhammad was a person like no other. His character and humbleness does not match anyone else. How can one say that he wasn't chosen by a supreme being (God) to increase the awareness of Islam? The traits, qualities, abilities he had possessed were because of a supreme being who gave him that, so he could not only be a role model for all future human beings but a living example that God exists!

We cannot force religion upon anyone and that is certainly not a way to bring people into Islam. However, we can using logic and reasoning, raise awareness about Islam and hopefully people can see the true light at the end of the tunnel. May Allah guide all non-muslims and atheists to the straight and true path; Islam. Allah knows best. Allah, please forgive me if I have said anything that goes against you and/or your beloved final Prophet Muhammad.
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Old 03-12-2012, 12:50 PM   #14
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Salam

I would like to spread Islam and give dawah to atheists.

How can I prove to them that Quran is word of god and god exists?

Jazakallah Khair


If i ask you the mobile you are keeping is whose?
Then you may reply mine.

If i ask you the dress you are wearing is whose?
Then you may reply mine.

If i ask you this home is whose?
Then you may reply mine.

If i ask you this elder people are who?
Then you may reply my parents.



If i ask you about your hand.
Then you may reply mine.

If i ask you about your toung.
Then you may reply mine.

If i ask you about your legs.
Then you may reply mine.



The dress, parents and mobile phone that is ok i can agree that it is your's.

But what about your hand, toung and legs?

If you answer me that it is your's then can you prove me who is this your's?

Brother i will explain this your's is your's soul which is inside your body and which you can't see it.

Even if you cant see it you are agreeing the presence of the soul inside your body by stating the hands and legs are your's.

Like the same way the god also exists.

And now when you have come to know that soul exists in your body now can you explain me where is the soul situated in your body?

The answer might be NO.

Because the soul has hand and nose and toung and everything which you have in your body because if for example if we agree that the soul is in the heart of human then the doctors are replacing heart then how can we say the soul is inside the heart.


And to prove the Quran is the word of god then you have to read it because unless you read it you cant prove it is a word of god.

For example if you want to prove you are a good person then you have to do good things then only all will come to know you are good person because you are human and Quran is book so you have to read it then you will come to know that it is a God's word.

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Old 03-12-2012, 01:09 PM   #15
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If i ask you the mobile you are keeping is whose?
Then you may reply mine.

If i ask you the dress you are wearing is whose?
Then you may reply mine.

If i ask you this home is whose?
Then you may reply mine.

If i ask you this elder people are who?
Then you may reply my parents.



If i ask you about your hand.
Then you may reply mine.

If i ask you about your toung.
Then you may reply mine.

If i ask you about your legs.
Then you may reply mine.



The dress, parents and mobile phone that is ok i can agree that it is your's.

But what about your hand, toung and legs?

If you answer me that it is your's then can you prove me who is this your's?

Brother i will explain this your's is your's soul which is inside your body and which you can't see it.

Even if you cant see it you are agreeing the presence of the soul inside your body by stating the hands and legs are your's.

Like the same way the god also exists.

And now when you have come to know that soul exists in your body now can you explain me where is the soul situated in your body?

The answer might be NO.

Because the soul has hand and nose and toung and everything which you have in your body because if for example if we agree that the soul is in the heart of human then the doctors are replacing heart then how can we say the soul is inside the heart.


And to prove the Quran is the word of god then you have to read it because unless you read it you cant prove it is a word of god.

For example if you want to prove you are a good person then you have to do good things then only all will come to know you are good person because you are human and Quran is book so you have to read it then you will come to know that it is a God's word.



That is exactly how we must prove God exists. They must read the Quran and learn themselves. God speaks to us through the Quran.
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Old 03-12-2012, 01:20 PM   #16
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Have to say a weak analogy,So according to this how do people establish they are married say infront of a judge/mufti?
Establishing a nikah and accepting a nikah are independent. Some people may still deny the validity of nikah as they feel it is all a setup. Similarly, the existence of Allah is established. It is your choice to accept it or not.

The man can easily produce the nikah nama,
Please prove that the nikah nama is authentic?

they can then go to each of the witnesses and the person who "read" the nikah,
Please prove that the witness and the person who "read" the nikah are not lying.

the wife also if needed,
Please prove that the wife is not lying.

even try to get a few people who came to the walima.
Please prove that the people who came to the walima are not lying.

and it will be proven without doubt that the man is actually married.
The nikah is proven ONLY if you are willing to accept it.

Now you prove there is a God!
Please read this carefully! You are married. You and your wife both testify that they are married and they present all the above proofs. Now anikahtheist comes and declines to accept that you both are married. the nikah theist denies every testimony and proof. Why? He has decided not to accept?

But does his rejection of your nikah affect your marriage. NO

SImilarly, Allah says he is the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth and every thing else. He has revealed His message alongwith his Messengers. He has placed his signs or proofs of his existence in the Universe. The atheist comes and just denies and rejects every proof.

Reason. same as the anikahtheist

But does his rejection of Allah affect his existence. NO
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Old 03-12-2012, 02:12 PM   #17
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No need to get into argument.

Just put the man on a ship let him enjoy a bit then suddenly cause the ship to start sinking.

Or when he is in deep sleep come up by him and scare the daylights out of him - he will wake shouting "o my god!"

Why this natural reaction? Arrogance is usually what keeps these people away from truth.
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Old 03-12-2012, 02:20 PM   #18
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No need to get into argument.

Just put the man on a ship let him enjoy a bit then suddenly cause the ship to start sinking.

Or when he is in deep sleep come up by him and scare the daylights out of him - he will wake shouting "o my god!"

Why this natural reaction? Arrogance is usually what keeps these people away from truth.
An atheist does not cry out "O! My God".

He cries "O! S**t". This is the reply we got from an atheist. It was said to him "There are no atheists on a sinking ship". He inquired the reason. He was replied "They all beseech God to save them". He answered "But some people call out O! S**t, when they face a difficult situation. Would you say he is beseeching God".

That why we say something went wrong with their evolutionary process. They are ape minded.
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Old 03-12-2012, 04:38 PM   #19
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An atheist does not cry out "O! My God".

He cries "O! S**t". This is the reply we got from an atheist. It was said to him "There are no atheists on a sinking ship". He inquired the reason. He was replied "They all beseech God to save them". He answered "But some people call out O! S**t, when they face a difficult situation. Would you say he is beseeching God".

That why we say something went wrong with their evolutionary process. They are ape minded.
It's hard to deny evolution in light of its proof. That many deeply-religious people are stuck thousands of years ago in history has no affect on it's factualness. It's impossible to look at the human body and say it's not ape-like; they are definitely our genetic cousins.
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Old 03-12-2012, 04:47 PM   #20
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It's hard to deny evolution in light of its proof. That many deeply-religious people are stuck thousands of years ago in history has no affect on it's factualness. It's impossible to look at the human body and say it's not ape-like; they are definitely our genetic cousins.
We say apes are human-like. atheists are ape-like and they think ape-like
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