[tobaccoman]

Are the Revolutionaries strung out on drugs and alcohol? These guys are worse than Qadafi it seems. They rounded up all Blacks and call them Tawergans or Mercenaries or worse names. Then they torture them and kill them.
These Revolutionaries still carry their weapons around and bully civilians in Tripoli and other cities that had supported Qadafi.

These Revolutionaries are not muslim they are followers of satan.

[entaifsfets]

Are the Revolutionaries strung out on drugs and alcohol? These guys are worse than Qadafi it seems. They rounded up all Blacks and call them Tawergans or Mercenaries or worse names. Then they torture them and kill them.
These Revolutionaries still carry their weapons around and bully civilians in Tripoli and other cities that had supported Qadafi.

These Revolutionaries are not muslim they are followers of satan.

Can you provide some references ?

[LsrSRVxR]

Are the Revolutionaries strung out on drugs and alcohol? These guys are worse than Qadafi it seems. They rounded up all Blacks and call them Tawergans or Mercenaries or worse names. Then they torture them and kill them.
These Revolutionaries still carry their weapons around and bully civilians in Tripoli and other cities that had supported Qadafi.

These Revolutionaries are not muslim they are followers of satan.

Egypt story

[tobaccoman]

The town of Tawerga which was inhabited by the tawerga tribe is wiped out, a ghost town. NATO bombed the town during the war and then the Misrata militias invaded and finished off the residents who remained behind. Most women and children fled to South Libya or Tripoli. The Tawergans are dark skined with traditional African features, they supported Qadafi. Then you had Africans who were given citizenship by Qadafi, many from Chad, Nijer, Mali, Sudan.
Anyone who supported Qadafi is jailed and held and tortured by the Revolutionaries who fear Qadafi's ghost returning, so they are trying to kill anyone who supported him.

[tobaccoman]

http://rt.com/news/libya-torture-death-detainees-817/



Medical aid group wraps up work over torture in Libyan prisons

International medical aid group Medecins Sans Frontieres is suspending its mission in the prisons of the Libyan city of Misrata, claiming detainees are being repeatedly tortured and denied urgent medical help.


26.10.2011, 14:00 7 comments


NTC slow to probe rebel atrocities

Three hundred bodies of alleged Gaddafi allies have been found in Sirte, shot in the head with hands tied behind their backs. Are Libya’s new rulers guilty of ordering political executions identical to those they claimed to be rebelling against?



In Libya, death and disappearance still stalk the land

People are vanishing in broad daylight in Libya, as the country’s new rulers continue to settle accounts with their opponents. Widespread insecurity means the families of the kidnapped can do no more than hope that their loved ones are still alive.
Libyan conflict

Tortured freedom: Libya’s new rulers resort to old tactics




Despite the changes sweeping Libya, violence and bloodshed have not stopped. In shocking revelations, military and security forces stand accused of torturing detainees to death. Rights groups say Libya's new rulers have not addressed the problem.

*Amnesty International says in recent weeks, it met with detainees in Tripoli, Misrata and Gharyan who showed visible signs of torture – open wounds to the head, limbs, back and other parts of the body.


"Several detainees have died after being subjected to torture in Libya in recent weeks and months amid widespread torture and ill-treatment of suspected pro-Gaddafi fighters and loyalists," Amnesty said.


"The torture is being carried out by officially recognized military and security entities, as well as by a multitude of armed militias operating outside any legal framework," the statement reads.


Medecins Sans Frontieres has suspended its work in Libya’s third-largest city Misrata over similar claims.


The group says it encountered formidable obstacles it could not overcome. Burns from electric shocks and cigarettes, heavy bruising and renal failure – all this, evidence of continuing torture of prisoners, the organization says.


When two more inmates died after beatings, the international group halted its mission in protest.


“Patients were brought to us in the middle of interrogation for medical care, in order to make them fit for further interrogation. This is unacceptable. Our role is to provide medical care to war casualties and sick detainees, not to repeatedly treat the same patients between torture sessions,” the group’s General Director Christopher Stokes said in a statement.


The news comes amidst rising frustration with Libya’s interim government.


Demonstrations in Benghazi last week ended with the resignation of a high-ranking member of the National Transitional Council (NTC).


In the former Gaddafi stronghold of Bani Walid, locals pushed out the NTC’s forces, claiming systematic abuse.


“It started with the very beginning of the rebellion, […] the second day of the rebellion. On the 18th of February, 50 African migrants were rounded up, locked in the detention center and burnt to death. And the NTC expressed their support for this kind of behavior. This is part of the strategy of the West. You know, divide and rule. That was giving the green light to torture and execution – what we are seeing now. This is a clear recipe for civil war,” says Middle East political analyst Dan Glazebrook.


Meanwhile, the behavior of the NATO forces that brought the NTC to power has also raised questions. Last year, a high-profile team of human rights activists went to Libya to investigate alleged international law violations in the country. The group examined the actions of NATO, former government and insurgents.


The Arab Organization for Human Rights together with two other organizations released the final report.


The document suggests “NATO classified civilian sites as military ones for attacks, including homes, schools, colleges.”


Insurgents, the team claim, “also violated international law, including civilian killings; torture and other abuses.”


All in all, investigators believe “crimes of war and against humanity were committed”.


“Some of the NATO representatives were at the frontline – guiding the raids, and directing them, and coordinating. If are your mandated to protect civilians – this is not your mandate,” says Raji Sourani from the Arab Organization for Human Rights.

Raji Sourani took part in the fact- finding mission in Libya. He spent 8 days travelling across troubled areas. Talking exclusively to RT, he spoke about what he saw during his time in Libya’s hot spots.


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“I saw so many people killed in front of my eyes … I saw the killing of 51 people. The youngest was 15,” says Ali Alkasih, a witness of NATO’s bombing in Libya.


And while all sides in the Libyan conflict are to blame for violence and violations, the human rights activists claim, not all of them have been held responsible for their wrongdoings.


A recent United Nations report has revealed that up to 8,000 pro-Gaddafi supporters are being held by militia groups in Libya right now.


And with numerous accusations of torture and revenge killing throughout the country, hopes of a new beginning for Libya seem far off yet.

[picinaRefadia]

These guys are worse than Qadafi it seems.

They can't be, as they are Muslims, while Qaddafi and his army/mercenaries were kuffar.

They rounded up all Blacks and call them Tawergans or Mercenaries or worse names. Then they torture them and kill them.

False. You can see black brothers among the ranks of the anti-Qaddafi Mujahidin, even in very recent videos.
That of the "revolutionaries anti-black racism" is a hoax spread by people as the "Nation of "Islam" (Kufr)" (who was in turn sponsored by Qaddafi, and thus took his death bad.

These Revolutionaries are not muslim they are followers of satan.

Hold your tongue..

[tobaccoman]

They can't be, as they are Muslims, while Qaddafi and his army/mercenaries were kuffar.



False. You can see black brothers among the ranks of the anti-Qaddafi Mujahidin, even in very recent videos.
That of the "revolutionaries anti-black racism" is a hoax spread by people as the "Nation of "Islam" (Kufr)" (who was in turn sponsored by Qaddafi, and thus took his death bad.



Hold your tongue..

The Revolutionaries were sponsered by NATO. These Revolutionaries are not muslim they fought next to Frtench, British and American soldiers. Now the Revolutionaries are torturing Qadafi supporters. Over 6000 people are in jails being held by the NTC and their militias. The worse Militia is the Misrata clowns who target TAWERGANS. These 2 tribes hate each other. The Misrata clowns torture and kill for fun.

[picinaRefadia]

The Revolutionaries were sponsered by NATO. These Revolutionaries are not muslim they fought next to Frtench, British and American soldiers.

Getting help/fighting together with kuffar doesn't automatically result in kufr in certain conditions are adhered to (for example, not supporting kuffar against Muslims); even the Ottoman Empire allied with some non-Muslims states against others. If I remember correctly, similar alliances took place even during the time of the Salaf.

While, fighting to support Qaddafi's kufr ideology is kufr, and "jihad fi sabili taghut".

[tobaccoman]

Getting help/fighting together with kuffar doesn't automatically result in kufr in certain conditions are adhered to (for example, not supporting kuffar against Muslims); even the Ottoman Empire allied with some non-Muslims states against others. If I remember correctly, similar alliances took place even during the time of the Salaf.

While, fighting to support Qaddafi's kufr ideology is kufr, and "jihad fi sabili taghut".

So when the anti al assad rebels in Syria start getting training and arms from Israel you would still justify that. When a rebel groups gets aid from the West they are slaves of the West. Look at the Saudis who received help from British when the Ottoman turks were in control. Saudis are still slaves to the West.

In Libya the Revolutionary militias were aided by the West. NATO bombed Qadafis army and when the bombing was finished the Revolutionaries came in and finished off the wounded.

The Prophet(pbuh) would not be pleased with how the Revolutionary militias are torturing prisoners and residents of cities they occupy. I believe that in a few months the people will rise up against NATO's dogs(militias). The Revolutionary militias have already caused Bengazi to break away and they are preparing to fight as we speak. Those Misrata and Zintan militias and a few others are making the people ashamed of the NEW rulers of Libya. Qadafi at least controled his dogs. The NTC has let the dogs run wild.

[mas-dkt-sive]

well they are the "same people". Treating each other in the same way.

Just happened to be Ghaddafi who had the power, and now it's reversed,

[kanchouska]

Brother Zanji,

You have made takfir on all of those who fought against Qaddafi and blamed all of them for the actions of a minority, despite the fact that you admit they are militias- ie. separate military units and structures, rather than a centralized military.


Some of us clearly spoke against accepting kufr support in war, especially acccepting the support of kufar opening at war with Muslims.

It is one of the WRONG fatawa adopted over the centuries which have since become acceptable. The correct ruling according to fuqaha is:

believers cannot take support or alliance with the kufar in any instances of warfare, period.


It seems you are driven by your own prejudices, including that the victims are 'black' and the perpetrators are 'Arab'?

In any case, Libya's resistance was DENIED strong Sunni Muslim leadership. Islam requires a structure in Jihad, one of which includea an Amir of Jihad. Proper leadership includes not only organizing, but also controlling- checking and punishing wrong conduct by forces.

There are many instances wherein the Prophet controlled/managed/checked improper conduct of Muslim forces. When on an expedition, the Muslim force stopped in an oasis and the Prophet went out alone while some Muslims found a bird's nest and took its eggs. The mother bird returned and acted in distress, attempting its natural response to an invader of its nest. The Prophet returned and saw this and asked: who has disturbed this mother bird?
The companions replied that some had found a nest and took its eggs.
The Prophet ordered that they stop distressing the mother bird and return its eggs to its nest.


Such is the level of discipline and control of a proper Amir of Jihad over an army of believers so even the eggs of a bird's nest are secure.

But because the Libyans allowed the kufar to poison their ranks, they diminished their commitment and adherence to Islam, tying themselves to kufr secular authority. And we have seen what that brings recently in Isaf led Afghanistan.


Strong Muslim leadership was denied the Muslims- the outcome was atrocities and sin. Partially because of support from kufar, partially because of democracy- the notion that corrupt diabolical elements of society deserve as much power and authority as good believers.

[tobaccoman]

Brother Zanji,

You have made takfir on all of those who fought against Qaddafi and blamed all of them for the actions of a minority, despite the fact that you admit they are militias- ie. separate military units and structures, rather than a centralized military.


Some of us clearly spoke against accepting kufr support in war, especially acccepting the support of kufar opening at war with Muslims.

It is one of the WRONG fatawa adopted over the centuries which have since become acceptable. The correct ruling according to fuqaha is:

believers cannot take support or alliance with the kufar in any instances of warfare, period.


It seems you are driven by your own prejudices, including that the victims are 'black' and the perpetrators are 'Arab'?

In any case, Libya's resistance was DENIED strong Sunni Muslim leadership. Islam requires a structure in Jihad, one of which includea an Amir of Jihad. Proper leadership includes not only organizing, but also controlling- checking and punishing wrong conduct by forces.

There are many instances wherein the Prophet controlled/managed/checked improper conduct of Muslim forces. When on an expedition, the Muslim force stopped in an oasis and the Prophet went out alone while some Muslims found a bird's nest and took its eggs. The mother bird returned and acted in distress, attempting its natural response to an invader of its nest. The Prophet returned and saw this and asked: who has disturbed this mother bird?
The companions replied that some had found a nest and took its eggs.
The Prophet ordered that they stop distressing the mother bird and return its eggs to its nest.


Such is the level of discipline and control of a proper Amir of Jihad over an army of believers so even the eggs of a bird's nest are secure.

But because the Libyans allowed the kufar to poison their ranks, they diminished their commitment and adherence to Islam, tying themselves to kufr secular authority. And we have seen what that brings recently in Isaf led Afghanistan.


Strong Muslim leadership was denied the Muslims- the outcome was atrocities and sin. Partially because of support from kufar, partially because of democracy- the notion that corrupt diabolical elements of society deserve as much power and authority as good believers.

shukran usama, great response. I'll leave this subject alone. This is a topic that will only devide the umma. Muslims are at war in so many countries. The kuffar Western governments are pulling the strings. Destabilize the muslims so they can exploit resources. The West cares nothing for Democracy, they only want a muslim leader they can control.

But again great post and great explanation of the FACT that muslims are suppose to fight when attacked but make peace when the fightings over. Women and children of the enemy are not to be harmed. The Prophet(pbuh) had rules for his followers to follow when at war.

[tobaccoman]

Libya interior minister calls time on rogue militias

Reuters

11:41 a.m. CST, March 10, 2012

MISRATA, Libya (Reuters) - Libya's Interior Minister has warned militias outside the control of the central government to put down their arms or face confrontation with the new national security forces.

The militias spearheaded the rebellion which last year forced out Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi. Months later, some of them still occupy government buildings and man checkpoints while answering to their own commanders, not the government.

International rights groups and the United Nations have identified the militias as one of the biggest challenges to stability as the country tries to build new institutions after 42 years of Gaddafi's rule.

Libya's National Transitional Council (NTC) has called on the militias to disband before, and been ignored, but it has been slowly building up a police force and army with the capacity to take on the militias.

At a graduation ceremony for police recruits, Interior Minister Fawzi Abdel A'al said the police now had 25,000 men and was ready to step into the security vacuum that the militias had filled since Gaddafi's overthrow.

"There is a message to those groups who do not join the interior ministry," Abdel A'al said late on Friday in Misrata, about 200 km (130 miles) east of the capital.

"I tell them frankly: there is no excuse for you to carry out security functions inside Libya. You must make yourselves legitimate or these lions (the new police recruits), they will face you."

"There should not be any more militias after this day. They should all stop," the minister said.

"All of those people who still do not have confidence in the Interior Ministry or the government, we tell them our answer will not be through statements or press conferences, our answer will be practical and we start today."

HOLDOUT MILITIAS

Over the past few months, many of the militias have scaled back their activities, gone back to their home towns or merged themselves into national security services.

[Cogebrego]

Assalamu Alaikum

sometimes too you just have to be careful where you take your news from because CNN, BBC etc show themselves to be liars again and again.

I know something, and that is it easy for us to condemn and point out that haram things have been done,

but for those Libyans whose family members were murdered, tortured or dishonored by Gaddafi's secret police and for those for Libyan men who had themselves been tortured or sexual abused by Gaddafi's secret police during the revolution or before

- seeking revenge on those they saw as Gaddafi's men would be a quite normal response and is something that nearly always happens in these situations.

[expomeHattePe]

One young Libyan kid I know who went back claiming to be a mujahid was posting (on facebook) videos of his "unit" meeting with John McCain and had as his picture on there, a picture of him over Qadhafi's corpse, mutilating it. Now he is posting articles from various magazines where hes telling his story.

I'm not claiming Qadhafi was a good person but I think those who went to war against him were NATO puppets.

[entaifsfets]

One young Libyan kid I know who went back claiming to be a mujahid was posting (on facebook) videos of his "unit" meeting with John McCain and had as his picture on there, a picture of him over Qadhafi's corpse, mutilating it. Now he is posting articles from various magazines where hes telling his story.

I'm not claiming Qadhafi was a good person but I think those who went to war against him were NATO puppets.

The reality is complicated. The central bankers know how to exploit the frustration of some Muslim groups or tribes. How is the central bank of Benghazi going on nowadays ?
Check this.

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[tobaccoman]

Assalamu Alaikum

sometimes too you just have to be careful where you take your news from because CNN, BBC etc show themselves to be liars again and again.

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The American Media has been silent on Libya since Qaddafi was killed. They only report about the dysfunctional NTC. They don't mention the torture and displacement of the Qaddafi supporters. Sirte, Tawergha, Tripoli, etc.

I get most of my info on whats going on in Libya from online sources on Youtube and Arab and African and European online news. The American Media doesn't want this Libya thing to make Obama look bad near election time. In a few months I believe the Tawergha thing is going to cause Obama problems in the Black community. Blacks online are spreding the word about Tawerga and NATO turning its eyes as people are killed. The hypocrisy makes your blood boil.

[elektikaka]

Don't always think of revolutions as a negative thing...

Egypt's Islamist-dominated parliament unanimously voted on Monday in support of expelling Israel's ambassador in Cairo and halting gas exports to the Jewish state:
http://news.yahoo.com/egypts-parliam...192021971.html

[entaifsfets]

Don't always think of revolutions as a negative thing...

Egypt's Islamist-dominated parliament unanimously voted on Monday in support of expelling Israel's ambassador in Cairo and halting gas exports to the Jewish state:
http://news.yahoo.com/egypts-parliam...192021971.html

When will they remove the central bank of Egypt ? If they like usury , but hate Jews, then they do it on purpose. Search the net for Albert Pike's letter.

More on central banks are here.


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http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...atanic-bankers
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...-global-empire

[elektikaka]

When will they remove the central bank of Egypt ? If they like usury , but hate Jews, then they do it on purpose. Search the net for Albert Pike's letter.

More on central banks are here.


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"The litmus test is as always, does Egypt have a Rothschild central bank? "
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http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...atanic-bankers
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...-global-empire

Take it easy and be patient, if they find that there is more benefit than harm in removing ALL un-Islamic banks, they will do so.